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A channel reserved for discussion of politics, including social movements and current events. ALL political discussion must be contained here, even if it's just political satire / jokes. NSFW media pushing a political agenda that is NOT attached to a relevant news article is not permitted anywhere on the server, including here. 'Pushing a political agenda' is loosely defined, and is up to moderator discretion. If you are unsure, PM a mod. THIS RESTRICTION ONLY APPLIES TO NSFW MEDIA. Tempers tend to fl
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Burger 16/05/2019 00:56
Since this discord chat now has a nsfl-politics channel, it's only right to post the most relevent video here
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Deleted User 24/05/2019 00:45
https://imgur.com/gallery/9zjf5BK (edited)
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Deleted User 26/05/2019 12:33
Yay, voted for the first time today~
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LunaticDawn 26/05/2019 14:28
@Deleted User You mean, the European Parliament elections?
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I voted today too.
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Deleted User 26/05/2019 15:10
Euopean, but also national and regional in my case.
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LunaticDawn 26/05/2019 15:11
That's because you're in Belgium. This is where this EU fun is centered.
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Deleted User 26/05/2019 15:25
Heh, I guess.
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Burger 26/05/2019 15:46
AHH our vote was a few days ago
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Guess we gotta wait for yours to see the final results for everyone I bet
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If what I've asked around people who have voted in my area is right, I could see quite a few EU seats go to anti-EU parties
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Most likely the Brexit Party itself, since it's better to concilidate votes all into one party, otherwise Labour will just win here and that means either nothing or we will end up with more commies in our courts
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Deleted User 26/05/2019 15:55
Hopefully tha latter happens. 😔
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LunaticDawn 26/05/2019 16:08
This time, there will for sure be more anti-EU parties. Things are finally getting interesting.
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Deleted User 26/05/2019 16:14
Yeah, or more worrisome if the right and/or far-right is/are major. :/ (edited)
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LunaticDawn 26/05/2019 16:21
Perhaps they won't be, but people are already pissed enough at euro-commies especially after this whole Internet Censorship thing.
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Deleted User 26/05/2019 16:29
True, article 13 screwed everything up.
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Deleted User 26/05/2019 20:09
Welp, looks like Europe is becoming nazi again.
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LunaticDawn 26/05/2019 21:09
@Deleted User Huh? There are voting results already? (edited)
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Deleted User 26/05/2019 21:09
A good portion of the votes have been registered, yeah.
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So far, it seems the far-right is winning in a lot of areas, including France, Italy and the Flanders.
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LunaticDawn 26/05/2019 22:16
Meanwhile in Poland, the socialist party that claims to be ''far right'' won. Same shit as always. I don't even care much about these EU elections. There will be another elections in November to Polish Parliament. If Poles will vote for the very same party that rules today, this is gonna be the biggest masochistic move they ever did.
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Especially since this party is pro-Israel. (edited)
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Burger 27/05/2019 01:46
Oh wasn't there that thing where one of the polish politicians was talking and an opposing politician put a skull cap above the speaking politician's head?
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LunaticDawn 27/05/2019 15:21
Yeah. That was gold. xD He put a kippah (that Jewish hat) on the head of that socialist/zionist politician, because she accused him earlier for being pro-Russian and kneel before Putin. (edited)
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Burger 28/05/2019 16:39
Classy, can't wait to see where that goes. Although I heard your communist party is saying it's right wing as well isn't it?
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LunaticDawn 28/05/2019 18:22
Yes. They claim to be far right catholics who will save Poland, while in reality they're bunch of old farts commies & Jewish asslickers. This is their classical tactic by lying they're the good guys. (edited)
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Deleted User 28/05/2019 19:51
I don't know how saying they're far right cathos is making them better than communist, but okay. 🤷
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LunaticDawn 28/05/2019 20:01
Cathos as much as they're fucking annoying don't steal, while commies/socialists do steal by giving you something (social, health care, education) from the money that they already stole earlier from your taxes. (edited)
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Deleted User 28/05/2019 20:02
Is that how it is in your country? Sad. >: (edited)
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LunaticDawn 28/05/2019 20:03
It's pretty much in every country in Europe.
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Deleted User 28/05/2019 20:03
Not here. Guess we're lucky enough. ^^'
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LunaticDawn 28/05/2019 20:07
Belgium is also a welfare state, you just don't notice it because you guys are already rich, so your model works there. However Poland, unlike Belgium, isn't rich, it's actually poor, so welfare state doesn't work there. If Poland was as rich as Belgium it could work.
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Deleted User 28/05/2019 20:09
I wouldn't say we're rich per say.
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LunaticDawn 28/05/2019 20:12
Poland being a poor country shouldn't copy the western ideas of being a welfare state, because it simply can't afford it with such small budget. Such model doesn't work in Poland. It may work in Belgium, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, but definitely not in Poland. It's too poor.
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Deleted User 28/05/2019 20:13
:/
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Sorry it can't cuurently work for you.
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LunaticDawn 28/05/2019 20:20
Don't be. I'm not a fan of a welfare state anyway, because it made people less independent/individual and too much dependent from the government, because they believe that the government will give them everything for free. This model even made people stupid.
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I have rather capitalist and libertarian views.
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Deleted User 28/05/2019 20:23
I could tell.
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Deleted User 15/07/2019 19:59
@Deleted User « so you'd treat your daughter the same you'd treat your filly plushy? »
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Yep.
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With lots of love and hugging 💗 💖 💕
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Deleted User 15/07/2019 20:12
even though both of them have pockets ?
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Deleted User 15/07/2019 22:01
;3
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Ice Bear 10/08/2019 15:36
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-suicide.html
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Jeffrey Epstein Commits Suicide at Manhattan Jail
Mr. Epstein, the financier indicted on sex trafficking charges last month, hung himself and his body was found this morning.
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and the deepstate does it again >hanging yourself while on suicide watch now thats just sloppy
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LunaticDawn 10/08/2019 16:11
Never heard of that guy.
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LunaticDawn 05/10/2019 14:49
@Deleted User You know, the Teutonic Knights, etc.
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Deleted User 05/10/2019 14:49
was poland part of "russia" at that point?
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because russia chose their religion
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single one
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wait a sec
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why are you dragging me into this history lesson
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the conversation started with "how did mlp catch on in such an anti-western country"
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LunaticDawn 05/10/2019 14:54
I like history.
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Deleted User 05/10/2019 14:54
it was a trap wasnt it
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>:3
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either way, russians are not from the moon, luna tic dawn (edited)
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What about Luna-1 tho?
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It would just mean that Mooners are from Russia
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:thonk: (edited)
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thonk over this while this s playing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWqw0DQLEm0
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Space - Magic Fly (Clip)
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LunaticDawn 05/10/2019 14:57
Poland was always more civilized than Russia. And it was probably the only Western country (yes, believe it or not, Poland is Western only because of choosing catholicism) that was bordering Russia back then. Poland had this sacred mission to convert Russia from orthodoxy to catholicism. After we managed to convert Lithuanians, we thought we'll also succeed with Russians (after all, we once captured Moscow and hold it for two years, not even the freezing winters scared us off from there). But it was a mistake. After the Mongol invasion, Russians borrowed lots from the Mongol culture and became too tough to be defeated. (edited)
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@Deleted User Nowadays, Russia is in the westernizing process (still very slow), so maybe that explains why MLP is popular there. If Russia was still USSR, not even a single Russian would be a Brony.
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Deleted User 05/10/2019 15:05
kurwa mac ja perdole
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almost 2020-1991 is wut
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that's more than half of your lifetime already :p
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slaps lunaticdawn with a baltic herring
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(I'm always hesitating whether I should get myself involved in political discussions here or not) (edited)
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im only fooling around
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lets not start an actual conversation i hate politics and hate history because 90% of the time it's used to discuss politics or give reasons to their own chauvinism
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LunaticDawn 05/10/2019 15:07
Should I mention that Russia will soon introduce its own Internet: Runet? If this isn't anti-Western then I don't know.
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Deleted User 05/10/2019 15:07
no you shouldn't mention that because that's a lie
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LunaticDawn 05/10/2019 15:08
Oh, rly?
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Deleted User 05/10/2019 15:08
kind of like...
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like there's truth in there
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Plz
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but it's still a lie tho
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LunaticDawn 05/10/2019 15:09
Not a lie. Fact. Russia is still isolating itself.
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Deleted User 05/10/2019 15:09
yes because russia, like every other country is a 3 line computer program
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it's complicated
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but
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that mlp is popular there, especially among the target demographic, should not be a surprise under any circumstance (edited)
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LunaticDawn 05/10/2019 15:11
Are you Russian? You seem to defend Russija.
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Deleted User 05/10/2019 15:12
No i deeply hate 2 things politics and history, see message above
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and i really wanted to talk about pony blood candy
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and u ruined it for me
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ruieened
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LunaticDawn 05/10/2019 15:12
I loooooove politics and history, while you looooow it.
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Deleted User 05/10/2019 15:13
for your information after Stalin died the acceptance of western culture only went up
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LunaticDawn 05/10/2019 15:14
You're not the best person to talk about politics/history, aren't you? ;P Well, duh. (edited)
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Deleted User 05/10/2019 15:14
and it wasn't no slow up hill journey
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after the fall it went up like bitcoin
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around the fall western culture and products were everywhere (edited)
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before the fall they were simply -mostly-smuggled-in (edited)
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by 2000s everything was western culture
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so under no circumstance can MLP being popular among little girls should be ever a surprise (edited)
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unless you believe that russia is from the moon
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LunaticDawn 05/10/2019 15:18
Oh rly? Western products and culture so quickly? How did Russians quickly adapted it if the Latin alphabet was still alien to them?
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Deleted User 05/10/2019 15:18
nonon i was being serious just now
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LunaticDawn 05/10/2019 15:20
Meh. This whole MLP is for little girls thing is stupid. People who worked on this show are grown up males. (edited)
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Deleted User 05/10/2019 15:20
there are lots of grown up, low paid, males in the diaper factory
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LunaticDawn 05/10/2019 15:23
I know. I'm just saying the argument about MLP being only for little girls is stupid. People who work on this show aren't cloudcuckoolander autists, but people who watch it are?
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Deleted User 05/10/2019 15:23
You don't have to enjoy your job, you just have to do it well
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prints it as a work-safety poster
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LunaticDawn 05/10/2019 15:25
I highly doubt that people who don't enjoy their job would have such great ideas for the show in mind. Only people with passion and imagination do.
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Deleted User 05/10/2019 15:26
it's still a job for them
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yes they enjoy the creation process
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but they dont have to infatuate themselves with the project (edited)
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LunaticDawn 05/10/2019 15:26
Money isn't the only motivator.
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Deleted User 05/10/2019 15:27
when gen 4 is over they wont be missing it for years, you can count on that
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LunaticDawn 05/10/2019 15:28
Neither I. The show itself isn't the only thing I enjoy about pony-related stuff.
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Deleted User 05/10/2019 15:28
@LunaticDawn and that's why it makes it weird
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butt really
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Just turn your brain off
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is it for little girls? yes
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is it forbidden for you to enjoy it? don't ask dont tell
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LunaticDawn 05/10/2019 15:32
If it was for little girls, I'm sure the dialogues and plot would be much more logical to catch up with. (edited)
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It's more like a show for teens.
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Deleted User 05/10/2019 15:34
If it were only for little girls, I doubt there'd be as many adult elements and references as there are.
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LunaticDawn 05/10/2019 15:34
Yeah.
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Plus, the are over 200 episodes, each of them about 20 min long.
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Imagine watching this show from 2010 to 2019. Let's say you were 8 back in 2010. And by 2019 when the show ends, you'd be 17. (edited)
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The show is too much detailzed to be understood by 5-year-olds. (edited)
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Deleted User 05/10/2019 15:39
^
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Deleted User 05/10/2019 23:56
what ever makes you feel better
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you seem to care about it a lot
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LunaticDawn 06/10/2019 00:20
@Deleted User NO I'M NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Deleted User 11/10/2019 22:19
FILLIES ARE NOW ILLEGAL
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D:
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Where?
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it's actually china
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 05:27
A garbage state that treats its people worse than garbage.
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https://kotaku.com/overwatchs-mei-is-becoming-a-symbol-of-the-hong-kong-re-1838899963?utm_medium=Socialflow&utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&fbclid=IwAR06tNgQKF3BMIRLj9UwpBnJUS-my3wRqJ5Poe1v3Sse0dBtMmBF2DewuYA
Overwatch's Mei Is Becoming A Symbol Of The Hong Kong Resistance
After Chung “Blitzchung” Ng Wai called for the liberation of Hong Kong, Blizzard suspended the Hearthstone player and withheld his prize money. The decision has been widely criticized. Fans have now started posting images of Overwatch hero Mei supporting the Hong Kong pro...
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Blizzard can die.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 05:42
no u (edited)
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those 3 shouldn't have voiced political opinions on blizzard's stream
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 05:53
But I wouldn't be so 100% critical of mainland china you're not Chinese, don't live in china and don't even speak a Chinese language your opinion of the country is formed by information that's been abridged by someone else, with their own agenda, bias then gets sprinkled with lies or misunderstandings every single country and news source has this problem a general bias is always there, especially now in the wonderful days of competitive news sources, they need the attention of your eyes and ears more than telling the truth (edited)
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 05:55
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mbmx9a/gamers-are-organizing-a-mass-protest-at-blizzards-blizzcon
Gamers Are Organizing a Mass Protest at Blizzard's BlizzCon
"They have no idea what kind of Internet shitstorm they've unleashed," the protest's organizers say.
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I don't criticize its people. They've been neutered and oppressed. I blame their leaders.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 05:56
protests are mostly virtue signalling anyway
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 05:57
The Chinese government deserves to be shamed
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far worse
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 05:57
a 'communist' government isn't innately bad
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 05:58
I'm not arguing against a communist government.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 05:58
well this is how a communist goverment works
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same way as a capitalistic government has its own problems expressed differently (edited)
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 05:59
Not all communist governments enforce a 1-child law until 2016 then enforce a 2-child law thereafter. (edited)
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 05:59
i am all for the limited child law
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next up, start one in india
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maybe after 20 years africa, we'll see if the cycle repeats
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 06:01
You're rustling my jimmies. I can't find the right meme, so here. https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2019/02/momofb.png?resize=865,452&quality=65
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Here's a rundown of the consequences of the one-child policy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE_ccFHjL_w
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One Child Policy: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 06:04
Think of it this way, if you have a large amount of children what future will they be born in? poverty, the world/country/anyone can't feed so many mouths, cant raise them into more than low paid workers, it's raising them into poverty
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 06:04
You're ignorant
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 06:04
well if that's the case that video better open my eyes
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 06:05
Only if you want them opened
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I can admit I'm triggered anyway. My judgment is flawed, but I'd be happy if China's rulers were taken out with extreme prejudice.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 06:09
well the video is mostly comedy, it is last week tonight after all
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i don't see any remarkably good points brought up in the video
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it is a comedy video after all
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 06:17
Yeah. I figured John Oliver was appropriate for a simpleton. Not that you are one, but your opinion would suggest as much.
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<3 U
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 06:18
consider that we simply have vastly different opinions about communist governments and how they can be handled and their problems tackled
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 06:19
It sounds like we have vastly different ideas of what constitutes human rights.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 06:20
well communist governments do have a vastly different opinion on them (edited)
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 06:21
Yeppers. Seems we agree that we disagree
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 06:27
the system of everyone gets the bare minimum to survive (a communist system) doesn't work if every generation has 4+ children
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 06:28
Sounds like a flawed system, but they all have flaws.
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Not all are inhumane
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It's not just the child limit
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 06:29
well on the other side of the pond there's a capitalist machine with some cogs fueled only by profits and no morals (edited)
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 06:29
I hate that too
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Hence Blizzard can die
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 06:30
Blizzard doesnt sell weapons though
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I'm just saying Name your poison
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but there's nothing you can do about it, you dont get to choose
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china will have its problems, the super power capitalist world will have its problems, same amount too
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same levels if immorality
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but different problems
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 06:33
“They came first for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.” With Blizzard it's worse because they're forcing silence where there's a moral obligation for resistance.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 06:34
you don't live in the place where they come for people
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you dont know why the people there do what they do
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 06:35
I think we all live in the place where they come for people. I've nearly been come for.
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I don't know their pain or pleasure, it's true.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 06:36
but for different reasons and different methods of working with the problem
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 06:37
It's sounds like you're advocating for the ones who come for people by discounting human rights.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 06:38
it's part of the system
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that system
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and which right is that exactly?
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freedom of expression?
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 06:38
"For the greater good." -Grindelwald
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 06:38
GRINDERWALT DID NOTHING WRONG
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 06:39
Haha
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 06:39
accurate statement
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nothing actually happened oh wait spoilers (edited)
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 06:41
Freedom of speech is tied to other freedoms. The children like the woman in LWT's video without citizenship in the land of their birth, the men without female companionship, the women forced to abort their 9 month pregnancies, and the women and children trafficked for prostitution and marriage. (edited)
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 06:42
these are exceptions not the norm
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 06:42
Except they're not exceptions
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Not in China
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 06:42
the abortions are common no doubt
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well you dont live there you dont really know to what extent it is the norm
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you're taking someone else's undoubtedly biased "studies"
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 06:46
There are third party statistics, but the facts aren't so clear, I admit. There's also simple reason. I believe there are objectively better human perspectives than a perfectly objective human perspective.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 06:49
well don't all governments try to deal with problems objectively
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 06:50
Define try.
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I mean I don't think so, no.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 06:50
i mean with problems that do not have some hidden agenda
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 06:51
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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maybe? I'm not sure I follow, but we can always hypothesize.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 06:54
when there's no hidden, personal/small group gain involved, don't all governments aim to be objective on problems?
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like the one child (well not quite it's complicated like everything is if you go to wiki) policy
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 06:58
I think Tribal rule doesn't necessarily care much for objectivity, but would you count it as government? I would personally.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 06:58
I simply advocate that we cant give simple answers to complex problems that are hard to solve on their own let alone if we'd live there or know their language (just so we can see the words of all affected sides) (edited)
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Modern government i mean
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twilly as a ruler of a book fort doesnt count too
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 06:59
I imagine dictatorships only care about the ruler's understanding and interests.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 07:00
are those modern?
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i think you might mean authoritarianships in which case there would an amount of policies aiming to be objective (edited)
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 07:01
I know native American tribal governments exist today, but the only one I'm somewhat familiar with is an oligarchy.
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Is N. Korea's ruler a dictator?
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 07:02
well it's a complex question isnt it
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 07:05
I can't pretend to know a lot about government, which, if you know my temperament, interest in not feeling like an idiot, and general disposition toward kindness, speaks to the unusual nature of my opinions on the Chinese government.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 07:09
stops typing and deletes it's a complex question turning into philosophy (edited)
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 07:12
I don't mind of course. I appreciate that you care in any case.
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people caring is good
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 07:13
luv u
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speaking of capitalism, it's a work day
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 07:13
My weekend has started. Phew
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 07:13
shower and work because i didn't last night and slept on the sofa (edited)
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 07:36
now a word from our sponsors https://youtu.be/opbbG9lzPqA?t=5 (edited)
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 07:50
wait a minute, my clock is 1 hour forward oh damn i should have been sleeping
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 08:04
Oof
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I should have been there for the convo
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For the record, the PCC ain't communist no more IMO
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So nowadays the shit in China is more the fault of authoritarianism than that of communism itself.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 08:19
i wrote communist in qoutes
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I saw :>
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 08:48
i see you liked that not all communist regimes a birth control police (edited)
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but laws should depend on the situation
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the culture (edited)
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and which communist country is left these days that is as big as china (edited)
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personaly i think a 2 child with exceptions is better but for different reasons
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but im not Chinese in any way i don't know what's best for them
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 09:09
Even if it were better - which it isn't in the long term, objectively, as they're now stuck with an aging population on one hand, due to the one child policy, and with quantities of parents who'll have to hide their additional kids or who'll be pressured into having more than they want, which is only making the regime lose even more support and will undoubtedly cost them money and ressources to maintain -, it is an infringement on human rights (I think? I'd have to check if it's infringing on the international law) and kinda a douche move - subjectively, but put lightly.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 13:18
where is an ageing population not a problem ?america? i don't know... (edited)
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maybe a place where the old population passes
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this is a big problem in all of europe
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and there's nothing you can do about it
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 13:20
It's a bit of a problem where there are 4 grandparents, 2 parents, and 1child to take care of them for generations. 4 kids seems like a good amount for elder care purposes.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 13:20
@Deleted User arent human rights defined by the united nations and china is not part of them? (edited)
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@Flutterpony Willkommen in Deutschland
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LunaticDawn 12/10/2019 13:21
Of course this is a problem in Europe. This is why it's so full of young and strong immigrants from the Middle East nowadays.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 13:22
picture unrelated https://guyhepner.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Bird-In-Hand-650x472.jpg
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 13:23
Yeah. Population decline is a worse problem than population control. Only those who think themselves educated seem to practice it, and it's those who should be having more children.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 13:23
It depends on how you wish to deal with the problem
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accept the decline or fight it
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the mindset of many Europeans has accepted it
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 13:24
I suppose hubris is a fine natural selector
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LunaticDawn 12/10/2019 13:25
Europeans are weak. Too much passiveness and indifference.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 13:26
in germany the age gap of 44 years is feeding an age gap of 36 years tries to be poetic about the working age feeding the rest (edited)
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LunaticDawn 12/10/2019 13:26
I want Europe from at least 1800s. 😦
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 13:26
!g You think you do but you dont
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LunaticDawn 12/10/2019 13:27
Fucking French Revolution started all this mess.
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Countries are ruled by the officials instead of monarchs...
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 13:28
countries are complex systems well lubed machines
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and they are run by select cogs in the machine
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 13:29
I feel like such a pessimist
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 13:29
but the machine doesnt work properly without all cogs
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 13:29
This is why politics is not normally my game
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 13:29
i hate politics
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LunaticDawn 12/10/2019 13:29
This is why Germany should never been united, but split into small states. (edited)
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 13:30
i wish poland was split into even more states
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LunaticDawn 12/10/2019 13:31
There was once a concept of Europe of Tousands Liechtensteins
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 13:31
with one Belgium to rule them all
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LunaticDawn 12/10/2019 13:32
Why Belgium?
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And why not Israel?
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 13:32
i genuinely had a joke prepared but i cant remember it
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LunaticDawn 12/10/2019 13:32
Poland is destined to be ruled by Israel.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 13:33
squints at lunaticdawn
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do you think luftkrieg is best filly too?
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LunaticDawn 12/10/2019 13:33
Shit OC.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 13:33
i mean you're not wrong
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but i sense a bit of antisemitism
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LunaticDawn 12/10/2019 13:35
It's hard to not be mad at Jews if your country is basically their puppet state.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 13:35
But Jacek,
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u r jew
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very likely
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there were lots lots lots of jews in poland before WW2 and still many remain
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LunaticDawn 12/10/2019 13:37
Not many.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 13:37
just not identifying as such
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LunaticDawn 12/10/2019 13:37
Unless in our government.
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 13:37
my eyes can see
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LunaticDawn 12/10/2019 13:38
You are confusing the regular Jews with political Jews (żydokomuna).
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 13:39
żydie i w africe żydie
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LunaticDawn 12/10/2019 13:40
The regular Jews are the good Jews. They are just practicing their religion and stay away, while the political Jews cause nothing but problems. (edited)
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 13:41
so to be a jew in your definition you need to follow judaism?
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rhetorical question
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jews are everywhere, especially in and around your country
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LunaticDawn 12/10/2019 13:42
Hmmm... very confusing but I think yes. I'm sure 99% of Jews indentify with Judaism. For example, If you converted to Judaism, you would automatically get Jewish citizenship. (edited)
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 13:42
heh (edited)
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LunaticDawn 12/10/2019 13:43
I mean, we don't call the followers of Judaism Judaists, but Jews
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 13:44
if you think that way, better not look into it too much
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you might discover something you wont like
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LunaticDawn 12/10/2019 13:45
Ok...
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 14:02
THE LOVING OF FILLIES IS NOW ILLEGAL
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isnowillegal.com doesn't seem to work anymore
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LunaticDawn 12/10/2019 14:07
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Deleted User 12/10/2019 14:07
it just gets stuck there
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LunaticDawn 12/10/2019 14:08
Oh... I thought you meant it's not accessible. (edited)
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Flutterpony 12/10/2019 14:46
The US has problems with a top-heavy federal government. The States' rights to govern is too often infringed upon.
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Deleted User 13/10/2019 19:52
https://youtu.be/JI_RlkKAogE?t=135 (edited)
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Thanks, doc! >w<
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I'll pass, but thanks 😄
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Flutterpony 15/10/2019 06:17
A message I can get behind
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Burger 16/10/2019 04:36
Strange to have so much chat in here since I felt I was the only one here mostly twiblush
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Deleted User 16/10/2019 15:41
Well, the times call for it * _ *
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Flutterpony 17/10/2019 06:16
There are a select few things I feel the desire to vent about, though they don't come up frequently
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Deleted User 17/10/2019 09:45
Please, feel free to do so.
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Burger 17/10/2019 20:52
You can always make them come up if you want
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Don't have to wait for someone to start a topic in order to discuss it
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Deleted User 19/10/2019 15:42
does grimdark go into here? https://i.ylilauta.org/3f/4b25185e.jpg
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i wonder if this is shopped
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if not... oh deer
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it has to be shopped, right?
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like, what are the odds of making that photo (edited)
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still though people far too often don't treat horses as an animal that can maim (edited)
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Flutterpony 21/10/2019 07:36
I prefer to take action usually, and when I can't or am not sure about acting, then I'm likely to vent or grieve or something. There's only so much good dwelling on something can do.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 16:36
you receive your entire opinion on what china is from your news sources with their own agenda
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40 years ago it would say the same things about the soviet union now there is no border, no censorship you can find out easily just how much of it all was political lies
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why do you think it's any different now with china
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 16:38
It's important to consider biases, yes.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 16:40
it's ludicrous to think that that huge amount of chineese people, their whole country are all against their government, or all are retarded and brainwashed. when blizzard did what they did (then reversed/softened the punishment btw) they did it not to just hide their asses against the chinese goverment they did it to satisfy the millions of chineese people who could be offended (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 16:40
lawnfarn - this has nothing to do with the people.
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You're on your own ranting about that.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 16:40
why are you so convinced about it
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 16:40
I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing with you.
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Because it's not.
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It's not part of the discussion.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 16:41
what told you that
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 16:41
You keep trying to squeeze it in.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 16:41
no
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 16:41
Yes you are.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 16:42
it has nothing to do with what their people think according to you
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and i say it is
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 16:42
I said: Blizzard made their decision because the Chinese government would stop them from selling games (edited)
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 16:42
it is not just that
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 16:42
That is what it is.
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Blizzard has had to grapple with Chinese censors multiple times in the past.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 16:43
and
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?
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 16:43
and > the Chinese government would stop them from selling games
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 16:43
because they are the devil?
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 16:43
If they say something the Chinese governemnt doesn't like, they have the power to shut down Blizzard.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 16:44
and?
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 16:45
If they say something the Chinese governemnt doesn't like, they have the power to shut down Blizzard.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 16:45
ok then lets just end it at taht
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 16:45
And "Oh blizzard will lose profits"!
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 16:45
i have things to do.
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 16:45
Is that what you want?
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Because there is literally nothing more to explain.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 16:45
you're the one stuck in the loop.
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that's just your US propaganda
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just like any propaganda
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 16:46
I don't live in the US. :T
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 16:46
western
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no real difference
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 16:46
So you're siding with China?
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 16:47
i'm siding with not siding when all the proof you have is someone's opinion you cant possibly confirm (edited)
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that you just have to take for granted
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 16:47
You can look it up. There is proof.
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Go look up the stakeholder records for Blizzard.
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And the unreleased/delayed expansions.
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Go search for the "great firewall of china".
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 16:48
and
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what about it
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 16:49
You can find photos of the two conflicting statements Blizzard released. (edited)
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 16:49
they have censorship
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is that what we are arguing about?
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that one blank corporate statement doesn't quite fit with another blank corporate statement? (edited)
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 16:50
This reminds me of last night when I called Child Protective Services on behalf of the 16-month old that lives above us. In order to open a case, it's not enough for my wife and I to report that we hear the woman above us scream "Shut the fuck up!" repeatedly for a literal hour total per day for the last 5 months at the top of her voice to the wailing baby while creating loud noise against the floorboards, maybe stomping angrily, possibly throwing something, intimidating or beating the child. Without directly intervening ourselves, whenever we hear abuse, we instead have to call the police for a welfare check. This means I have to basically out myself and put my family and property at risk of retaliation from the mentally ill abuser and the man she lives with that my wife and I disapprove of her behavior. Whether or not I'm right about what I think happens upstairs, good conscience compels me to act. Good conscience ought to compel Blizzard and the rest of the world to see that Pooh-bear is removed from power by any means necessary. (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 16:50
If that's all your takeaway from this, then I have no reason to continue talking to you, @Deleted User (edited)
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 16:51
well ahead of you
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i damn hope trump gets reelected so more trash gets out so everyone on that side of the pond and related starts to run everything they hear through a filter
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 16:53
You lost me
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 16:56
your news are lying when ever required (edited)
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your sources are lying when ever required
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if you cant confirm it yourself it's not real
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 16:57
I know that Trump is a douche because he acted like one well before he ran for office.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 16:58
trump didnt start the world wide machine of politics
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 16:58
That's my confirming experience in his case.
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In China's case, we have to trust that the media isn't as corrupt as Trump says it is, which is easy because I know Trump is a douche.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 16:59
e.g us military aid being nothing more than a subsidy to us arms manufacturing in other words, they will directly benefit from every outside war
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trump didnt invent that, that's for sure
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:00
He didn't have to to still be a douche
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:00
I don't even get my information from mainstream media, so your statements don't apply to me.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:00
everyone has their own agenda
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:00
true (edited)
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:00
this lying can be applied to anything
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can be applied to china too
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:00
agendas don't imply lying
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:01
twisting the facts it can
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:01
Anyone: says something lawnfawn disagrees with Lawnfawn: FAKE NEWS!!!
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:01
it's not FAKE NEWS it's You can neither confirm nor deny (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:02
You've been pretty fast to deny...
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:02
If you're saying everybody twists facts, I'm not sure if I can agree or disagree. I think there are some who genuinely try their hardest to be honest. (edited)
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:03
Sol: no u i'm saying they piss off a large part of their playerbase too which absolutely has great weight
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@Flutterpony there's always a lie somewhere in the chain (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:04
You've also shown no interest in even attepting to confirm or deny. You've just taken the argument of "everyone's lying" as your out to dismiss anything you disagree with.
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Hence "Lawnfawn: FAKE NEWS!!!"
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:04
how can you confirm it
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you're is an opinion too
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:05
I think more often, there's misunderstanding in the chain. I think it's entirely possible to have an agenda or goal and not lie to achieve it.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:05
you're not a leading officer in blizzard, you're not chinese, you are not part of the chinese government
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:05
Based on what was reported, having followed this disaster of a PR campaign since it started.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:06
blizzard has a sizeable place in my life too, now what
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i followed it
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and dont disagree with them
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politics are out of the work place
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:07
So you agree with them?
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:07
politics are out of the work place (edited)
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:07
I'm not seeing any reasoning behind that. (edited)
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:08
because you will end up offending someone
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or causing arguments
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:08
But then, I've been reprimanded for protesting my employer in team meetings.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:08
in a place that has nothing to do with those arguments
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:08
I'll soon be getting legal advice on how to continue protesting my employer in the workplace.
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@Deleted User I'm immune to your argument
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I mean, if my employer or you could offer me a convincing reason not to protest, maybe I'd change my mind.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:11
drop in work efficiency and team cohesion do to arguing
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simply, you're causing dismay
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:12
@Deleted User Maybe more importantly, are you interested in hearing arguments against your beliefs, or do you just intend to debate without coming away edified?
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:12
everyone has their own political opinion you are basically starting a fire
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let me google edified, hold on
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politics are inherently subjective
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:14
In my case, I've taken care to go through the appropriate channels at every step, and injustice still hasn't been rectified. The company needs me to put out its own fire.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:14
changing someone elese's mind is most of the time unlikely
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are we still arguing about talking about politics at a work place?
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or changing work policies
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:14
I agree, but you can still walk away enlightened.
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:15
That's why I stopped talking. It's painfully clear you're not here to debate or listen, @Deleted User . You just want to be proven right.
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:15
Even when you disagree I mean
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Being a firefighter means sometimes getting injured. THere've been more fires than usual for me lately.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:18
Sol: you have provided no proof that blizzard's sole intention was to avoid problems with chinese censors as there is no way to prove that it's only an opinion. you only said "it just isnt" several times and said that they've had problems with the censors before that is not proof (edited)
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:19
didn't even know you were a firefighter
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:19
I'm a social firefighter, not a literal one.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:20
just when i started re-forming a mental image of you too :c
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:20
haha
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You look like filly-Dash in my mind.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:21
there's lots of red in my mane (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:23
@Deleted User https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oAxsdZl2-A
YongYea
Blizzard Slammed For Hipocrisy, Spares US Protesters But Not Blitz...
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@Deleted User https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPyfn0GYiZs
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Blizzard Staff Walk Out In Protest, Caster Makes Stand, Media Cove...
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@Deleted User https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TinaImAIBI
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:23
i know the whole story
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i still have an active wow sub
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:24
@Deleted User https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMlqJ7Bd8HM
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Blizzard's Awful Response To Hearthstone PR Crisis Claims No China...
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:24
yes yes yes
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i know that all
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and
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:24
@Deleted User https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1yUbXKbHGg
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Blizzard Defends China "Pride", Gets Slammed By US Senators, Epic ...
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:25
yes i know it
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do you want me to take a quiz?
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:25
Those videos cover everything.
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One of them shows the conflicting statements with context.
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:25
We digest evidence second-hand because we're busy and can't fly to China to do investigative journalism ... in case you weren't aware. (edited)
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:25
yes
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:26
I don't care enough to search through them for where he explains Blizzard's relationship with China.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:26
flut: so lets not form strong opinions about it
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:26
Lawnfawn: "Let's not form any strong opinions at all"
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:26
i didnt know he's a top level executive hivemind from blizzard
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:26
Fixed that for you.
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:26
Let's trust our journalists.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:27
flut: no dont do that
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that's how wars get started
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:27
Sometimes war is a sad necessity (coming from the one who wars with his employer, and neighbors, and Fimfiction) (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:27
Lawnfawn: "Don't trust anyone" Lawnfawn: "That's how wars get started"
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:28
sol: lets not form strong opinions on second to infinite hand opinions
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better?
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one more time
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sol: lets not form strong opinions based entirely on second to infinite hand opinions
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:28
second hand opinions are an important and necessary part of society
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:29
you shouldn't apply them to things so far from your reach
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:29
second/third/fourth-hand information from credible sources is even more important.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:30
when the opinion source is by design opinionated and with a possible agenda you shouldn't (edited)
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:30
The butterfly effect seems relevant here. Nothing is out of reach. (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:32
Am I correct in assuming Lawnfawn lives in the US, where the media is corrupt and untrustworthy?
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:32
I think he's said he doesn't live in the US (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:32
Ah.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:32
it's corrupt absolutely everywhere
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:32
I might be misremembering
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:33
Anyway, the important thing to combat misinformation is diversity of sources.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:33
YES
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:33
Definitely helps
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:33
and u only hear one side
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:33
One source might be lying, that's why you corroborate with other ones.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:33
on a "warring" front
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:33
Rip the Chinese, though, because their government only allows one source.
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:34
China only allows filtered sources of information if we're to believe all the other sources of information across the world.
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:34
Yeah.
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:35
You can accuse both sides of filtering, but the US clearly allows more free press than China and is therefore more reliable.
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:35
China also gets tailored media - i.e. Microsoft has a contract with China to supply them their own, isolated, version of Minecraft and all related services.
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:35
I wonder if their villagers are heterosexualized or don't breed.
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:35
China also does not have access to Google - instead the state provides their own search engine that only returns approved articles.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:36
how did your free press work when georgia invaded south osetia?
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:36
heh.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:36
bet they only said russia invaded georgia
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because that's exactly what happened
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:36
I haven't checked, but the only difference I'm aware of is the language.
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The chinese version of the game may have some altered features, though nothing that stands out to memory.
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Oh! Didn't they get pandas before the rest of us?
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:37
.slap
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you may no longer have an opinion on this subject (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:38
Mojang actually worked with them to implement pandas in a way that wasn't "offensive" to the chinese.
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:38
The press isn't perfect. I wouldn't argue you should trust a single source all the time nor rely on all sources to represent every fact collectively. You have to make intelligent judgement calls
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:39
Also related - the expansion Blizzard released to one of their games including pandas was specifically designed to portray Chineses culture in the best light possible.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:39
doing phone/work/chat at the same time
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:40
Before that there was a previous expansion featuring pandas which was delayed and then cancelled. Many other features and games were delayed in reaching the chinese market due to issues with the censored.
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:40
I hated phone work.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:40
solace have you even played wow?
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:40
I'm almost envious of those who can do phone work happily (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:40
But Blizzard's later expansion ("the love letter to china" I'll call it) flew through and was the first expension to be available to china's markets on the same day as the rest of the world.
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:41
Wait Blizzard owns Mojang? I thought it was Microsoft.
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:41
solace have you even played wow?
I haven't played WoW. I'm recalling what was described by my sources.
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No, no.
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This is separate.
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:41
oh ok
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:42
WoW had an expansion adding Pandas as a playable race.
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 17:42
ahh
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:42
well some of your facts are wrong but nvm
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:42
Well, imperfect memory.
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I don't remember exactly which game and which expansion, nor the exact timeline.
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For that you can watch the videos by Yong Yea.
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The gist is: >normal expansion = China release delayed/cancelled >pandas and omg <3 china = instant release
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:44
no
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pandas are sacred
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pandaren were added in war3
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wanted to introduce
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but RUMOURS say that it's hard to roll out in china because the animal is sacred
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:45
It was pandas and lore.
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And it demonstrates the powers and effects Chinese censors have.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:45
pandas were not added because of the chineese
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 17:45
If not for the censors, Blizzard could release whatever they wanted and we'd hear "omg people offended by bizzard" (edited)
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But instead we hear "omg this expansion everyone was hyped up for got cancelled"
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 17:46
lies
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pandas were to be added as a npc
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later after wow was already ions.... i cant type this
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/work
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wow came out to china in 2009 (edited)
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censored blood, skulls, etc (edited)
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mists came out in 2012
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wow came out in 2005 in eu
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between mists and launch there are 3 expansions
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that's a lot of time
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wow became insanely popular in china
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they wanted to have a pandaren focused expansion as people like them
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the april fools joke turned into a hero in warcraft III
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but pandas are sacred in china and the game would end up in china sooner or later
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there were some numbers written that stated around the third x-pack when there were 12 million subs, 6 were from china (edited)
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so you could upset half of their user base with a bad panda expansion
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pandas in the game are about peace and harmony and almost nothing to do with china (edited)
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there was nothing to do with the chineese goverment
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 18:10
and in relation about trusting us sources more than chinese, this doesn't work if you are on warring sides, you'd have to get info from the west and chinese sources and then sort out the lies and omissions which no one here is qualified to do (edited)
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Flutterpony 02/11/2019 18:56
Gotta weigh the biases carefully. There's clearly a movement to free Hong Kong. When the country is at conflict within itself and seeks to quash undesireable media, the resistance looks a lot more credible than the government.
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 20:14
well the resistance in question is honk kong
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it's fighting with mainland china
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Cheesy Pony 02/11/2019 21:28
HONK
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Deleted User 02/11/2019 21:47
https://youtu.be/fXEvYnaxJ24?t=8 (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 04/11/2019 20:36
Another video on the pile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL4_zv_r0KM
YongYea
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Flutterpony 05/11/2019 02:40
neat
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Flutterpony 27/11/2019 19:10
https://www.businessinsider.com/duesseldorf-carnival-float-shows-donald-trump-mounted-by-russian-bear-2018-2?fbclid=IwAR3y8SLI9pjDGxHwJFtPlyB56PraArhKF61IIXIOcnZxZtdTzbaLnF62OzQ
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The annual Rosenmontag in Düsseldorf featured a metaphor for Russia meddling in the Trump campaign.
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Flutterpony 18/12/2019 04:14
Let's hate the Chinese government a little bit more today. https://note.com/tomomishimizu/n/n4cade047aed8?fbclid=IwAR1bsPew8MALo2k_j5HKbV_gXbmXEOxkH6kD-okjnyUvAIr407lSJFeHR-s
「What has happened to me」~A testimony of a Uyghur woman~｜清...
「What has happened to me」~A testimony of a Uyghur woman~
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Cheesy Pony 19/02/2020 19:13
This kid of stuff infuriates me.
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^ American healthcare
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Or lack thereof.
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Flutterpony 15/04/2020 14:58
@Scarlet Ribbon Would you say this is true at all?
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Heck I don't really care personally. I'll still buy stamps in case.
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Scarlet Ribbon 15/04/2020 15:38
Trump absolutely wants to kill the post office, but it's not really a Trump thing. It's a republican thing. As a party, the republicans have been intentionally hamstringing the post office - repeatedly - for about 20 years.
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@Flutterpony
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Flutterpony 15/04/2020 15:43
Why exactly is privatized supposedly better?
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As far as I can see, if a privatized postal system were ever going to be better, it should have manifested as such by now.
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Scarlet Ribbon 15/04/2020 16:12
Every country that has ever privatized its postal service has ended in disaster. If I had to guess at a 'why?', it would be lobbyists for companies that want to be able to compete with the USPS on first class mail delivery.
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Flutterpony 15/04/2020 16:14
It just sounds like reaching for new ways to price-gouge the public.
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Is the bankruptcy rumor true?
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Scarlet Ribbon 15/04/2020 16:36
Realistically, the entire US economy would grind to a halt if the postal service stopped. Something will happen. I don't yet know what.
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I don't believe the bankruptcy thing is a real concern, though
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Scarlet Ribbon 15/04/2020 16:48
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/g09lqa/whats_up_with_text_usps_to_50409_trending_on/fn8ydeb/ Here's someone else's take on it, which I believe is probably the most accurate take I've seen recently.
r/OutOfTheLoop - Comment by u/soulreaverdan on ”What's up with "Tex...
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Hex Dawnwing 15/04/2020 17:45
Why exactly is privatized supposedly better?
@Flutterpony Because it means their Republican buddies can invest in it, drive up prices to bleed it dry, and make even more obscene amounts of money
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Flutterpony 15/04/2020 20:12
Good to know. I'll spread word
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Cheesy Pony 30/04/2020 22:49
I find this very interesting. David Pakman is great, too. Lots of really informative content. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50-YupKb-Qc
David Pakman Show
How to Manage a Recession
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Cheesy Pony 05/05/2020 13:11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jp-9c18OLY
The Damage Report
Trump's Extensive Sexual Assault History
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Cheesy Pony 07/05/2020 12:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rl4c-jr7g0
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Coronavirus VI: Testing: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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Deleted User 07/05/2020 12:55
Ooooh, good things you're watching :3
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Conifer 18/06/2020 02:57
So, I just rewatched the Bee Movie with my landlord who had never seen it. Not gonna lie, I hadn't seen it since I was a kid and had none of my political or literary analysis tools that I currently possess. Reviewing it through this lens and acknowledging the fact that is a b-movie, and thus satire (it tells us this immediately with the title and the fact that it stars Jerry Seinfeld) I have come to a rather unique perspective and conclusion on it. Bee Movie is actually a well-made, gripping commentary on modern life, politics, the problems that arise from hive mind mentality, and the consequences of the absolute abandonment of tradition. It discusses many hypocrisies inherent in our current system, including corporate mentality, the pro's and con's of individuality, being incel, corrupt lawyers/authority figures, the dangers of single-mindedly following any ideology (in this case hyper-liberalism), the ethical implications of showing people shackles they never saw, nationalism, greed/materialism, racism, and the list goes on and on. Honestly, if you look past its blatant nature as a b-movie, it is an inherently well-made piece of relevant satire, and potentially the most philosophical kids story of not just the past few decades, but the entirety of human society. It is a beautiful allegory that addresses deep and personal philosophical questions and speaks greatly to the human experience. I now unironically appreciate it, and have no apologies. (edited)
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Flutterpony 18/06/2020 05:24
Man it's been a long time since I watched that. Not since maybe a year or two after it came out
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Flutterpony 25/06/2020 15:32
I mean to read this later. https://quillette.com/2018/06/10/giving-devil-due-freedom-inquiry-science-politics-inviolable/?fbclid=IwAR1t7SLH6dyNThBAoLi8jwn_323h0GeX_3-42any2u4fwhqsBEEjjyeMSC0
Giving the Devil His Due: Why Freedom of Inquiry in Science and Pol...
In the 1990s I undertook an extensive analysis of the Holocaust and those who deny it that culminated in Denying History, a book I coauthored with Alex Grobman.1 Alex and I are both civil libertarians who believe strongly that the right to speak one’s mind is fundamental to a ...
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Conifer 25/06/2020 19:39
Good article, I dig
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Flutterpony 26/06/2020 03:20
Oh yeah. I like this excerpt: Roper: So now you’d give the Devil benefit of law! More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil? Roper: I’d cut down every law in England to do that. More: Oh? And when the law was down, and the Devil turned round on you—where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws from coast to coast…and if you cut them down…do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake.6
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Conifer 26/06/2020 07:52
yep
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Conifer 04/07/2020 14:08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag0W_eE4af0
Serra Starr
An open letter to the world from a degenerate
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Me monologuing
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Conifer 05/07/2020 02:53
https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1279575273365594112
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We must now realize the promise of America by trusting God, unifying our vision and building our future. I am running for president of the United States 🇺🇸! #2020VISION
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never thought kanye west running on a religious platform would be this popular
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Flutterpony 05/07/2020 08:09
I already like him more than Trump, but I doubt his capacity more than I doubt Trump's which is saying something.
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Still, maybe better to have an impotent leader than a leader with poor character. (edited)
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Sapare 07/07/2020 16:51
Not sure I agree with that sentiment, a hated leader can do good, a useless leader can not.
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Sapare 07/07/2020 17:14
watching the vid, 20 min in. I think its daring and most importantly good for people to speak up about their experience, I am sorry you have had a very rough life so far.
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Sapare 07/07/2020 17:55
Finished it. Its honestly difficult for me to put words to, its chilling but generally I agree with almost everything in it and ultimately people willing to speak their mind and call out the growing insanity is what we need.
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It wont change anything, we are heading for blood and once roused the desire can't be stopped, but just because we can't stop it doesnt mean we shouldnt try to. (edited)
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So, thankyou.
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also, the idea of finding one guy(or girl) to turn your life around and give you new perspective, I know that sentiment all too well. Its crazy how much the right time and place can matter.
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Its one of the reasons why I find live so volitile when it comes to individuals. I have often been asked if there is any point in not killing oneself, that it will be worth it not to. And no one can honestly answer that it will be, but because of how unpredictable things are, its always possible things will turn around on a dime, but once you stop existing its set in stone.
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To demand yourself a happy ending is to set yourself up for dissapointment, but to awknowledge the dice of life is to keep an open mind. (edited)
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Conifer 07/07/2020 18:04
Only by taking risks in the grand game will you ever have a chance of getting anything worth having. You have to put yourself out there. without the bad their can't be good. It isn't for everyone though. Luck is not always as kind as it was to me. Unfortunately we don't all survive, but that's life for ya
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Sapare 07/07/2020 18:31
very very true.
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Flutterpony 08/07/2020 05:10
Re: impotent vs. unethical leaders. I imagine an impotent leader will do less bad and less good while someone like Trump does more good and more bad, but the net bad still outweighs the good done by orders of magnitude. But then, an impotent leader could wind up failing to prevent more bad than an unethical leader and still be the worse choice. I suppose it's situational (edited)
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Sapare 08/07/2020 22:40
I am more on the spectrum of making mistakes rather than nothing. which is why i tend to lean unethical. (edited)
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but of course its all context based, we did have a long talk in the other group on my views of the current riots, so its not like I always believe every end is justified. I just have a higher tolerance for ends justifying means. Guess because I was very inspired by Code Geass in my formative years) (edited)
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Flutterpony 09/07/2020 07:52
Early on, I decided the ends and the means are never separate on a spiritual and also largely on a psychological level
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Conifer 09/07/2020 07:53
I believe one needs to find a balance. Your virtues mean nothing if you take no action, but they also mean nothing if you ignore them
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Flutterpony 09/07/2020 07:56
That seems in line with the biblical principle of how faith requires works and vice versa or neither lives.
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Conifer 09/07/2020 07:57
Mhm
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Cheesy Pony 22/07/2020 22:47
I feel like what they talk about here is applicable to... well, everything. Politics, derpi drama, the map community, all of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2-x82-zuuc
David Pakman Show
America's Critical Thinking Crisis
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Sapare 23/07/2020 20:58
https://youtu.be/U1VdhQbfSTY?t=333
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Chicago police release video footage of protests at Columbus statue
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Fact that this has become the accepted norm is nothing short of depressing. Law and order is dead.
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Deleted User 23/07/2020 21:04
✊
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Glad to see that sort of things.
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Sapare 23/07/2020 21:06
Glad?
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Deleted User 23/07/2020 21:08
Mhhm.
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Sapare 23/07/2020 21:09
Why
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Deleted User 23/07/2020 21:10
It shows the people are more and more willing to be fighting against the state, its oppressive symbols and institutions.
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Sapare 23/07/2020 21:19
If murdering helpless officers for doing their duty is your form of fighting the oppressive regime, I hope the state brings in some fully automatic guns to the next protest.
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De-escalation obviously doesnt seem to have an effect, we know how Napoleon fixed his protests.
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Conifer 23/07/2020 21:22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdcdgaWtCGw
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Democratic Mayor Literally Joined The Riots And Supported Extremist...
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Deleted User 23/07/2020 22:06
If murdering helpless officers for doing their duty is your form of fighting the oppressive regime, I hope the state brings in some fully automatic guns to the next protest.
@Sapare If your answer to a mass desperate cry for justice is police repression, don't be surprised seeing violence escalate at some point.
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And if the police brings guns, be sure the masses shall be armed as well.
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Sapare 23/07/2020 22:10
Violence already escalated, and it was because of a decrease of police presence. Police repression fixes violent mobs quite well, ask the Chinese. Ultimately I would put my money on the organized trained officers over the anarchist mobs.
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Conifer 23/07/2020 22:12
^
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Sapare 23/07/2020 22:19
And just for the future, I am far from pro police-state. I identify myself as anarchistic leaning myself, but I don't get my rocks off hurting people or burning down buildings, my anarchistic leaning is from a political viewpoint(firmly libertarian) not out of justifying my crimes. History shows that the most internally "peaceful" societies are those run as police states, most people are cowards and will care about protecting their own skin first, no one is going to show up and throw rocks if they know it could end with them getting shot. Napoleon saved the French republic with the shot of a cannon, and while I am not hoping it ever comes to something like that, if it must than that is better than letting this mob get its will, because its long past being about the horrifying death of a single man. (edited)
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Conifer 23/07/2020 22:19
^
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Conifer 23/07/2020 22:39
I just realized. The BLM movement is using all of the basic techniques of a cult. The only thing BLM doesn't have that a by the definition cult has is a strong, charismatic leader. However, the only reason a cult needs a strong charismatic leader is to convince people that non-members are the enemy. With the mob mentality present in the BLM movement and the presence of a strong, charismatic enemy in the form of our president and the country itself which is built on systemic racism. Also, cults that don't peddle a religion are something that have existed before. For example I remember when I was doing research on what makes a cult a cult, I found out about a cult that formed in I think it was the early 90's that people joined because it was an environmentalist movement
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Flutterpony 24/07/2020 00:07
I don't get why so many consider Trump charismatic.
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Conifer 24/07/2020 00:47
Charisma is force of personality, not force of character
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Flutterpony 24/07/2020 01:32
Personality hm? I always thought of charisma as likability.
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Or at the very least attractiveness.
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Sapare 24/07/2020 02:52
To be fair, I don't think many people would call him charismatic, or at least not till recently. But ultimately what I think meant is how much he can hold public attention, and in part due to his nature and part due to the media playing into it, he is able to do that very well.
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As for charismatic, he is actually a pretty good "war speaker", when he simply speaks about being unyielding and will to fight he can do so with a tone that reflects conviction and sounds genuine.
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Which the current riots have played into, his speech on the 3rd showed that.
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When he actually speaks facts or has to hold an argument he is much less so.
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But ultimately its less about how he is and more about how he is protrait. And the left has decided to unify around hating him rather than anything they have to offer themselves, which kinda makes him charismatic because both parties are more worried about him than anyone else.
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as for BLM being a cult, shrug almost everything can be called a cult, bronies were at one point. The term means little to me, but I think its more productive to call SJW a cult rather than BLM, as its the govering group.
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Flutterpony 31/07/2020 21:30
https://youtu.be/0b_eHBZLM6U
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Coronavirus: Conspiracy Theories: Last Week Tonight with John Olive...
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Sapare 31/07/2020 21:53
the same john oliver who parroted that the ballon boy thing was a hoax. ;p (edited)
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Sapare 31/07/2020 22:04
While I sympathise with you loss, and understand it will make the topic a personal sorespot, there is nothing offensive in questioning policy. People die from things all the time and calling a reaction disproportionate is not a personal attack. Of course I don't know the specifics of his stance, but I can speak for my position, I am not saying people affected by covid are liars. But I am saying the gov and media response and attention to it have been overblown and increadibly politicized. And that the "hollier than though" approach to handling this disease(which I dont mean you, I mean orginzations trying to one up themselves on how to handle it) could genuinly have done more damage than good. (edited)
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Scarlet Ribbon 31/07/2020 22:05
I really don't want to argue about it. Nothing I say is going to change how you think. Only you can do that.
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Flutterpony 01/08/2020 16:32
@Sapare I'll call your bias against John Oliver. I'm well aware there are parts of his commentary with a spin or slant that need to be questioned, and for someone opposed to his views, listening isn't the pleasant or jovial experience his target audience gets, but I'm convinced that his show at least attempts to do due diligence as opposed to the wild speculation and false information of Tucker Carlson. Is Balloon Boy your only example against John Oliver? (edited)
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Conifer 01/08/2020 18:15
@Flutterpony I'll call your Bias against Tucker Carlson. Most of the problems that come from his show are people not using critical thinking and not being able to read what is sarcasm and irony. There are a some things that as far as I can tell he only says because Fox says he has to, but for the most part he is pretty good, no worse than any other major newscaster. another thing is late night shows (as opposed to actual news shows) have a few problems in their design in regards to when they frequently (or exclusively) cover the news.
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If you want I can send you a good video that highlights some of those flaws
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Flutterpony 01/08/2020 21:59
He's legally not a newscaster. Tucker Carlson/Fox's lawyer have defended him against accusations of slander as a commentator (not a newscaster). The problem is that even an impartial viewer has a difficult time separating Tucker's "show" from real news. (edited)
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Meanwhile John Oliver tries to present facts with a "silly" spin that is obviously spin and not a claim.
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Sapare 01/08/2020 22:03
I really didnt say much, nor was I comparing him to Tucker above, I watched John Oliver for years but grew increasingly sick of his political lambasting once Trump became a common topic. I just mentioned the ballon boy thing because I think its both funny and sad.
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The mainstream media never appolegized for destroying a persons life.
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and thats waaay before Trump or left or right or anything.
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its just that the media loves runing with whatever narrative gets views. I DONT think John is to blame(he wasnt even in the US at the time I believe), nor do I think he meant it ill intentioned, but in one of his recent videos he made a joke about how "remember when the worst we had to worry was about some tv stars faking a crysis" in reference to ballon boy
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and its ironic because if you look into it today you know it was not faked and what the police(and media) did to the guy was shameless (edited)
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its like, he made a video bashing police while quoting a case where the police was ACTUALLY abbusive, but not aware enough of the case to point it out.
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as for Tucker. I still watch his stuff, but I cooled on him since i found him(which has been like two months now?)
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because he like Oliver has a habit of bending every story to the same resolution
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and it makes for inconsistent reliablity
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that said, i still prefer watching him because i can actually watch him on yt unlike oliver which i cant in canada. And he waste less of my time with skits. And he is the minority voice which can be refreshing, I dont really need to see John Oliver because the things Oliver says are being mirrored by almost every network anyway, at least when it comes to politics. (edited)
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Sapare 01/08/2020 22:36
As for being a news cast or not, pretty sure Last week tonight isnt considered a news cast either. I linked the lawcase where they avoided being found as libel by saying it was obviously a joke and had made no statment about the actual character of the Coal Baron. and googling it I find "is an American late-night talk and news satire television program hosted by comedian John Oliver."
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whatever that means.
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But then, the factual actual news print blatant lies so idk what the standard is. The biggest Canadian newspaper stated the history of "swatting"(as in for streamers) to be originiated by sexist males used primarly to swat female streamers. (and then tied to back to "gamergate", despite swatting way proceeding it) (edited)
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whichf is the most patently absurdly untrue statment and that was a newspaper in a news section.
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and was over half a decade ago, the standards of reporting has been dead for ages. (edited)
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Utlimatly I would avoice taking any OPINION from any caster, news or commedy, and instead simply take the facts. Both Oliver and Tucker predetermin your raction to a clip by giving you THEIR opinion on the clip before playing it, its a common strat.
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But ultimately I also watch full footage apart from the predetermined clips and draw my own conclusions. I dont need Tucker to tell mthe Bar Testomony was a fucking disgrace of a showing from the Democrats.
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I watched the full 5 hour thing. (edited)
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Tucker can make a joke about how disgusting it was(i dont think he covered it yet, or if he will) but my opinion only happens to line up with him, not informed by him.
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I got into him because I was seeing what the BLM movement was starting to become and it was refreshing to see a viewpoint that represented me, not because he convinced me it was fucked.
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Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDipQm-z-wY
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Watch live: Attorney General Barr testifies before House Judiciary ...
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I dont advice anyone to watch the full thing, its a waste of your time, but if you want to be informed on it, there it is.
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My take away(and this is doing what I said above, giving someone a clip and giving them an opinion which will inadvertably color their opinion too), nothing got done, both sides refuse to co-operate, but one side literarly brought this guy in to insinuate claims against him without recourse while the other spend half its time letting Barr respond to the accusations he wasnt being allowed to respond to by the democracts.
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I thought we left this kind of justice behind in the star chamber days. (edited)
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I particularly like that they accused him of treason at the end but didnt even give him a chance to respond to that, guess guilty till proven innocent is really the standard.
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As for Corona, I said my peace above. There is no reason to consider the idea that the reaction was overblown to be a "conspiracy theory" and the term would actually be poisioning the well, because the term comes with a heavy tone of disregarding. Whether the reaction was appropiate or not is very much based on how you personally crunch numbers. I don't think it was, because as a libertarian(I guess?) I am heavily in favor of freedom over security and this was a horrible fucking trade in my eyes. I mean we are STILL discussing forced immunitizations for travel.
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I feel like I am in a madhouse, you shut down the whole world because of a disease, with the excuse that its bad enough to justify it, THEN you want to force people to get vacinated with the reason of "do you want the world shut down forever?". (edited)
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What kind of circle logic is this, using the damage of your own actions to permit further actions.
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We arnt even vacinating because the disease, we are vacinating because ortherwise we cant open the economy again, which is nonsense, because at the start this was being presented as smoothing the curve.
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The scientific and medical justifications for the actions being commited are CONSTANTLY shifting.
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we locked people into houses because corona scary but now suddenly having people be OUTSIDE is safer than inside.
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and its better to have a crowd protesting in the streets than have them be at home.(or at least not worse enough to do something about) (edited)
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when was the whole "being in a crowd outside isnt bad" thing
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when we shut down all kinds of public gatherings.
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when the guy are a concert gave a houndred other people corona. (edited)
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This whole thing been so flimsily handled that I am just going to have to assume its not that deadly because if this was the zombie outbreak humanity would already be dead.
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But yea, non of you guys are going to stuff a needle into my arm with who knows what shit untill there has been a few long years of proving on test subjects(the idiots rushing to get it). Because I take my chances with the 2% disease over a rushed government immunitization program.
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At least dying by Corona would be natural selection.
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Sapare 01/08/2020 23:24
All that said, I dont mean anny offense, I just think you took my ballon boy statment way to personal, you can watch john oliver all you want, I used to watch him and sometimes still do, despite it being a pain(though if he moved away from politics and covered the topics he was actually interesting for, that would help)
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Flutterpony 02/08/2020 00:07
I may have already mentioned it, but I prefer Oliver to Carlson partly for fact that I spot Oliver's biases more easily than Carlson's, since Carlson tends to give worse misinformation. Outright lies leave me feeling betrayed and intentionally misled while subtle lies leave me feeling like maybe they're just giving their best if imperfect interpretation. Both are commentators and both are unreliable for a complete perspective, but Oliver's show seems to care more about reliable information despite spinning it. There's an actual writing team behind Oliver whereas Carlson seems to just wing it without a care. Correct me if I'm wrong there. (edited)
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Flutterpony 02/08/2020 00:17
Anyway I don't take offense. I may take frustration, but I can deal with that. ❤️ 🤟
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Conifer 02/08/2020 00:17
I mean, carlson's seem pretty well written and are very good at pointing out the irony in situations
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For example when he was covering the CHAZ back when that was a thing
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Flutterpony 02/08/2020 00:19
I've noticed Carlson generates a false sense of irony to the advantage of his viewpoint, but it's often unhelpful for understanding the issue. We can talk specific examples if you're interested in sharing one. (edited)
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I mean I'm not sure where to find the CHAZ coverage
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Conifer 02/08/2020 00:19
https://youtu.be/KafIdOk8bLs
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Tucker: The world welcomes its newest country
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If I am being honest, I am not the most well acquanited with his work, I only started seeing it a few months ago. Being raised a liberal in portland, I had never actually watched Fox before
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I followed him pretty close for about a month, but now I mostly watch Tim Pool for news commentary
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Flutterpony 02/08/2020 00:21
I'll be busy a while but can comment later.
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Conifer 02/08/2020 00:21
Oki
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Flutterpony 02/08/2020 02:09
He explicitly says he's keeping a sense of humor, but in an absolutely serious tone says there's a new country. It's irony, but not humor except probably in a derisive, not lighthearted sense.
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If Carlson hadn't explicitly said he was joking, he'd have come across to me as believing what he was saying.
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Oliver derides too, and it's equally tiring to listen to, but he knows how to actually use humor.
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Conifer 02/08/2020 02:18
Tucker is just a lot dryer in his delivery which I prefer
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That and doesn't have a live audience laughing to tell you when it is supposed to be funny
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Also will probably not be sober here in a bit, this convo might have to wait until tommorow
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Flutterpony 02/08/2020 02:21
I dunno. At least in his opening there, Carlson doesn't use a dry tone. His tone and expression are neither witty nor deadpan. He saturates what he says with gravity.
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Alrighty. ttyl
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Conifer 02/08/2020 02:21
ttyl
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Sapare 02/08/2020 05:53
Just not sure why its such a big debate, not everything is a VS.
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You can watch Tucker and Last week, or neither. Or either. (edited)
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Its ultimately mostly up to taste and what topics you prefer to be covered.
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Flutterpony 02/08/2020 06:17
Oliver's show offers a decent counterperspective to your own which recently seems to have favored Carlson's perspective. If he's not saying opposite of what you've said, at least Oliver usually offers something to think about, so I bring him up for his usefulness. I know you're not into his show, but others could be I think, and his spin is maybe more entertaining and easier to share than my own thoughts sometimes in response to some things you've said. (edited)
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Sapare 02/08/2020 09:19
If you have a link I can actually watch I would watch it sometime
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the webside i usually watch for it doesnt have one(well, the one I found was voice pitched to an obnoxious degree)
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Flutterpony 02/08/2020 13:41
I keep forgetting it's not in your region
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Here you can watch a recap without actually watching Oliver https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/john-oliver-quashes-coronavirus-conspiracy-theories-on-last-week-tonight-thr-news/vi-BB16YmcZ
John Oliver Quashes Coronavirus Conspiracy Theories on 'Last Week T...
John Oliver has collected a stable of stars to help stamp out novel coronavirus conspiracy theories.
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And here's the website that the Last Week Tonight team assembled with celebrity clips to attempt to convince family members that wearing a mask is a good idea. http://thetruetruetruth.com (edited)
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Flutterpony 02/08/2020 14:08
@Scarlet Ribbon I keep hearing USPS is on the ropes. Is it any truer yet?
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Something about the guy Trump appointed to run it and paying retirement plans up front.
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Scarlet Ribbon 02/08/2020 14:52
In 2006, Congress passed a law to require the USPS to prefund 75 years worth of retiree health benefits in the span of ten years—a cost of approximately $110 billion. No other company has this requirement. That's what is killing the USPS. If that law was repealed and they were allowed to run their pension system like every other pension system in the country, they would be absolutely fine. In fiscal 2019, for example, 83% of the $8.8 billion the USPS lost came from payments into its retiree pension fund and retiree health benefits. That's not fully operating in the black without it, but it's a significant difference. Also, by law, the USPS can't adjust it's rates without approval from a congressional committee. That committee has generally only allowed rate hikes that match inflation. But with mail volume dropping - the service with the highest profit margin - and package volume increasing - the service with the lowest profit margin - our inability to adjust prices is killing us. It's really not Amazon, or FedEx, or UPS. The USPS is failing due to legislation. Then, the new Postmaster General comes in - appointed by Trump, who has historically stated that he wants the USPS to be privatized - and the new PMG has literally never worked with the postal service at any point in his life, and starts throwing his weight around, demanding a bunch of things that are technically against the law, and will run our operations into the ground.
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Overtime is no longer permitted in any form. Mail that isn't delivered before overtime kicks in is now held to be delivered the next day.
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Service is plummeting. You've worked with the mailstream before - you can't just magically catch up the next day when mail is held, unless you work overtime. Many offices can't deliver a light day's worth of mail without overtime. When are they going to recover? (edited)
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At the end of the day, I think the USPS should stop trying to run as an independent business, and just go back to being a taxpayer-funded government service. We're currently the most trusted government organization in America, but I suspect that reputation will crumble incredibly quickly with this asshat at the helm.
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And privatization of the postal service has never ended well in countries that have done it.
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I'm 99% sure that if USPS is privatized, I will find myself laid off within 5 years.
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Flutterpony 02/08/2020 15:07
I've never been much in favor of required overtime, but that's all messed up.
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So it does seem to you like the issue is getting worse, then, but you'll survive if Trump leaves office maybe and fixes are made?
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Scarlet Ribbon 02/08/2020 15:14
It's going to depend on a lot of stuff. The Republican party has generally been heading up the legislative changes that hamper us, but the Democratic party has not taken any opportunities since then to do anything about it. When one party is hostile and the other is seemingly apathetic, it's hard to be hopeful.
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Deleted User 02/08/2020 15:21
I mean, only having two parties in the first place might explain the lack of hope in your politics. xx
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Flutterpony 02/08/2020 15:21
I'm hoping Trump's approach will prompt a more aggressive, less apathetic response from everybody.
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Bipartisan politics are evil.
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There are moderates and alternatives hiding in each of the 2 parties, but the conventions and primaries are slanted
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At least it seems that way to me, but I don't follow it closely.
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Sapare 06/08/2020 02:28
This should also be posted in the politics room in the rocket group but because the moderator(of the politics room, not nova) is a phycho I cant do that, hopefully someone else will, but no matter what your political leaning is, you should want to see this just so you are an informed thinker: https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=YPSwqp5fdIw (edited)
EXCLUSIVE - FULL VIDEO: Leaked police bodycam footage shows George ...
The terror on George Floyd's face as a rookie cop points a gun at his head while he sits in his car can be seen today for the first time. DailyMail.com has e...
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Flutterpony 06/08/2020 14:51
Are you muted there @Sapare ? Why?
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Sapare 07/08/2020 01:48
Because the guy is bad at dealing with opposing opinions and ultimately claimed I was "dog whistling" whenever I made points he didn't like, he muted me once unfairly, then again a few weeks later and I decided there is no point being part in a discussion that silences me whenever it does not know how to respond to me.
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that said, i tried rejoining it just to post the video as I think its universaly important to all sides, but I cant, idk if its a glitch related to leaving a place while muted or me being perma muted but it says its "read only" so I can't actually hit the join button as it doesnt appear.
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Flutterpony 07/08/2020 12:31
Oh that does kind of seem like a glitch or at least something I haven't heard of happening before. I can ask about it. Of course you don't have to rejoin if you don't want to, but I should still find out if that's intentional.
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Flutterpony 07/08/2020 13:46
@Sapare Filliest already posted that video, but Nova says what's happened is not something he was aware of as either an issue or feature..
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Nova can force-join you to the channel and unmute you in any case.
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Sapare 07/08/2020 13:47
Its prob a glitch related to leaving a channel while in the mute state
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Flutterpony 07/08/2020 13:47
Do you want to rejoin the channel? (edited)
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Sapare 07/08/2020 13:47
I am fine, if the video been posted thats the important part.
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Flutterpony 07/08/2020 13:48
I'll leave it up to Nova then. I recommended rejoining you when he asked if you want to rejoin, but I told him you don't really intend to be active there.
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Anyway I don't know how to rejoin you there myself, so if you change your mind and Nova doesn't rejoin you soon, lemme know and I'll poke Nova. (edited)
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Sapare 07/08/2020 13:56
thanks
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Flutterpony 01/09/2020 23:57
Martin Luther King Jr.'s Letter from a Birmingham Jail. https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html
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Sapare 10/09/2020 09:04
someone be so kind as to give me their definition of terrorism.
09:04
Anyone and everyone.
09:05
(particuarlly interseted in domestic) I am going to go with the FBI one: Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.
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Conifer 10/09/2020 09:12
I define it as a hate crime or crime against humanity designed to inspire terror in civilians
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Sapare 10/09/2020 09:49
How do you feel about defining terrorism specifically as: “anti-democratic political violence” (edited)
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Sapare 10/09/2020 10:41
and let that definition sink in, all it implies and justifies
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and tell me if you think its a healthy one.
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Conifer 10/09/2020 16:37
Yikes
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Sapare 10/09/2020 17:59
Yikes?
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Care elaborate your response if you please. I genuinly want to hear a 3rd parties opinion. (edited)
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Conifer 10/09/2020 18:14
I am about to sleep, maybe later
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Sapare 10/09/2020 18:15
fair
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the offer is open to anyone still, give me their definition and/or tell me your take on the above definition.
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Flutterpony 11/09/2020 00:00
@Sapare Anti-democracy alone isn't broad enough to encompass countless other kinds of domestic terrorism, either historic or potential. The FBI definition is fine, but biased in favor of the law. Still, that bias is ubiquitous and common use gradually evolves and determines the meaning of words. Generally, the main issue I see with the definitions of "terrorism" and "riots" is that riots arise due to rebellion and may not be against the interest of the people as a whole, yet according to the FBI they may be considered terrorism simply because property damage is considered violent. Ripping or burning a state or federal flag belonging to the state might be the least violent example I can think of, and it might escape being labeled terrorism, but it still fits within that definition. If the violence is against other humans then it's much more fitting in my opinion, but where the violence is specifically against state officials and law enforcement, and is brought about by a large group, I don't think that fits under terrorism either.
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I guess I'd stipulate violence against passive parties is terrorism rather than all violence for ideological goals.
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A noble and their guard who has enacted horrible oppression sent to the guillotines wouldn't be terrorism, but sending any powerless family members of those oppressors to death could very well be terrorism.
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And there will be gray areas, doubtless, imo. Of course, my opinon is open to change.
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Where property damage is concerned, if the destroyed property belongs to passive parties, then it seems to fit terrorism better. This gets very tricky since corporate culture may push to displace its losses as much as possible onto its consumers or employees who may be passive while the company itself is evil.
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Thinking more on it, if a foreign entity such as China, sent a large group to target state/federal officials and law enforcement, it technically would be neither rebellion nor terrorism, but I think an act of war which nowadays might overlap with terrorism.
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Sapare 11/09/2020 00:12
It is an interseting take, and while I prefer not to mince words with the definition as I think a simple and clear definition is important for stability, I understand the moral relativity of it. Your example about the guilutine is fair, storming of the bastille is usually considered a great act even though the gov of the time would have considered it horrific terrorism, they stormed a prision and freed fellons. However, just so I am not miss attributing: Do you think that “anti-democratic political violence” is not a good definition because it feels too narrow in its take. And that "pro democratic" political violence CAN be terrorism? (edited)
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(also, i am very tired, excuse if I have some typos)
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Flutterpony 11/09/2020 00:13
Correct, but only if that violence is not in the interest of the people, which would be counterintuitive or counterproductive in the case of pro-democracy, but not impossible. (edited)
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Sapare 11/09/2020 00:14
I am not trying to play a con game here, what is terrorism and what was justified violence is ultimately something we can disagree on, and have before. But I want to make clear that my cocern is that if you start saying "“anti-democratic political violence”" then that leaves open an implicit(if not even explicit) door that blanket justifies any and all acts of violence as long as you "sell" it with the right political objective.
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Flutterpony 11/09/2020 00:15
I'm so ready to tear down a good half of our prisons.
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Sapare 11/09/2020 00:15
Ultimately, if someone identified as a Facist you wouldnt have free reign to execute them(for their political ideology alone) because you were acting "pro democracy" and as such justifed? (edited)
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Nor is all forms of political violence with the intent to form a democracy automitically justified just because it takes place in a non democratic country? (edited)
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Flutterpony 11/09/2020 00:17
If I've understood you correctly, then I agree.
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Sapare 11/09/2020 00:23
Alright. It is good to know that there are people who don't ascribe to the political extremese like that yet. Because I will say that saying “terrorism = anti-democratic political violence” is one of those lines where i would refuse to respect difference of opinion, even for someone I respect, like you. To many horrible events have transpired in the past justified with that exact mindset. Replace "anti-democratic" with anything you want and see how it reads. Terrorism can only be anti-christian political violence. anti Communist political violence. anti muslim political violence. the moment you start defining terrorism by political alignment I am going to have to assume you are in some way or another wraped in terrorism, otherwise you wouldn't be making the abnormal disinction. Because ultimately Russia and the USA and China all generally agree on what "terrorism" means. We can disagree on the scale of the act that encompases it, china is prob much more picky than us, but generally we understand that it is defined by what you did more so than why you did it. And that it is up to the individuals and society to decide if you had just cause(and then they wont called it terroism) (edited)
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So we can disagree on weither or not a group like BLM or Antifa engaged in terrorism. Weither or not they have had cause and their crimes are to be seen in a bigger picture.
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But you wouldn't blanket state that BLM and antifa can not by definition engage in terrorism because of the fact that they are "pro democratic" movements? And as such Terrorism can not be applied to them because terrorism is only "anti demcoratic political violence" (edited)
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Flutterpony 11/09/2020 00:26
Right. Yes.
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Sapare 11/09/2020 00:27
Thankyou, I am genuinly glad to know we can agree on that much. (edited)
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Flutterpony 11/09/2020 00:28
Of course! No matter how far apart some ideologies may be, love and concern for others will bridge gaps, I hope.
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Sapare 13/09/2020 16:02
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MDymOpmOZQ
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This is terrorism, pro democratic or not.
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Flutterpony 13/09/2020 16:15
Any violence is saddening. Attempted murder is terrible, whether or not it's terrorism. What makes Fox News or any other source trustworthy to you though? I grew up watching Fox News. I feel like I wasn't impacted as much by their biases or at least didn't recognize their impact when I was younger. Now I'm still fine with them giving me a weather forecast and some headlines, but anything politically charged comes across to me as far too slanted much of the time.
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Sapare 13/09/2020 16:19
The events happened, they are not for dispute. Their tone can be distrustworthy, yes. As one person already pointed out to me, its not a big crowd. The only other place that covered it so far(as it was recent) is this one: https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/09/13/i-hope-they-die-blm-threatens-cops-outside-hospital-where-2-ambushed-officers-were-taken-youre-next-971595 But its even further right. The problem isnt so much that madia will straight face lie to you, they did not invent this shooting, it factually happened, and so did the protestors who were chanting "I hope they die", it was a very small group of people.
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Black Lives Matter extremists showed up outside the hospital where two ambushed deputies were being treated to celebrate and chant "I hope they die."
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The media will just slant everything, but as long as you are self aware of the slant and take your opinion with that, its fine.
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but most people take it too straight face value.
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Flutterpony 13/09/2020 16:20
I think that's fair.
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Sapare 13/09/2020 16:21
Why this shooting happened we dont know, but someone somewhere in this society thought it was a good time to walk over and fucking chant "I hope they die", and its not the first time. "pigs in a blanket fry like bacon", the targted shooting of a man in Portland because the guy was "right wing". The guys saying "I am not sad a fucking facist died tonight" (edited)
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these events are not being made up, they exist.
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and if we dont start calling them out they will only escalate as everyone realizes that violence has become a valid form of expression.
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Flutterpony 13/09/2020 16:27
There's certainly a lack of coverage for certain events, and I admit taking a broader range of sources makes sense now that you mention it. I'm bothered still by the fact that the public is led/guided to see some things and not others. I think there's no use denying that danger to journalists must leave BLM vulnerable to misrepresentation. Though that danger is created by cops as well as rioters, I've heard more about cops attacking reporters. (edited)
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That said, especially in the case of BLM-related violence, I take media that emphasizes stories against BLM as untrustworthy broadly, beside just tone. The injuries suffered by the authorities are no doubt real, but even saying they're in critical condition is no guarantee to me coming from Fox.
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At least considering their past failed fact checks. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news/
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Sapare 13/09/2020 16:34
cnn
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cnbc
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they all mixed
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just bout every source is mixed
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check them
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atlantic is one of he view that isnt
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Flutterpony 13/09/2020 16:34
I've heard complainst about CNN. Of course I'm not saying jump to the other side
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Sapare 13/09/2020 16:34
just saying, sorry for the short posts, in game
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so i am posting 1 sec at a time
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Flutterpony 13/09/2020 16:35
Concise is good for me personally. No worries
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If a "news" source's content has to be called "news" in quotes, I just ask myself what's the point of looking at them, CNN, or Fox, or whoever? (edited)
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Sapare 13/09/2020 16:52
I agree, I think universally every side is frustrated with the failings of news. But you have to awknowledge that even independent casters (like Timcast) are using those other news as their sources, so its not like you will be able to avoid bad or biased reporting. As said, I tend to put the onace on the individual. I can get fed up with a source and just say "enough is enough". When it starts going into pure looney toones. But if it is reporting factual stuff with a bias, I am used to that and try to be aware of it.
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As for BLM and misrepresentation, as long as the things being posted are factual its not miresprentation, it can be a very small minority that doesnt represent the whole but ultimatetly someone in that group did or say those things. And that is where its individual prespective on how much is too much. So I don't think its misreprentation to post all their bad cases. Because if majority is all that matters, than the majority of police interactions with the civilian public are perfectly fine, the amount of times we hear about a police action compare to how many police actions happen every day speaks for itself. Ultimately we should never want to hide information out of fear that it gives the "wrong" angle at a topic to people, give people all the info and let them form an informed opinion. (edited)
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I also don't see why it matters if the cops are critical, dead, or got barely harmed. IF the guy walked up to a car and put multiple bullets into it, I dont think incompetence changes the tone of the message being send. (edited)
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I guess in short, I think bias is shown more in what is not reported than what is reported and the best an individual can do is hear as many stories as possible and focus on what comes through universally.
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Which is that both left and right are saying that there is violence and WILL be escalating violence, they just blame the opposite side for it. (edited)
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So violence is the one certain truth here and that is a concern when people will not advocate against it. We don't need violence, blood only creates desire for more, I know history too well to ignore that. (edited)
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Anyway, I will post you other sources on the same topic that are left leaning if I stumble on any.
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Flutterpony 13/09/2020 19:41
It's a tough situation for both sides, for sure.
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Conifer 13/09/2020 23:54
https://youtu.be/BaBRl5vbovs
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 03:35
Oh Timcast. lel
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Conifer 14/09/2020 04:30
What is lel about it?
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 05:39
I think of it like "lol" except with an accent. The reason for it here is I think Timcast is a lovable scamp who tries to appear unbiased but frequently fails through incendiary clickbait titles.
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With how far right Timcast has been leaning, I'm surprised if he still actually bothers to keep up the unbiased front. There was a time when he defended his moderatism however.
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At least he's not Tucker Carlson.
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By the fact that Timcast actually tries to research anything and maybe avoid misinformation. I'm not sure how reliable Timcast is though these days since I don't frequent his channel.
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I wouldn't be surprised about foreign donations, but considering Trump admitted to conspiring with the Russians to take the election, there are few sins Biden could commit any worse.
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I tend to vote primarily by the character of the candidates if I can discern them, and secondarily, but still importantly, I vote by the platform. For example, Trump's character has never been worthy, and Hillary's platform was unworthy, so I voted third party. I can tolerate and even embrace Biden's platform generally as a moderate, and his character is on par with Bush and Clinton.
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Sanders is the favorite of the leftists in my local area, but I think his platform was about as extreme left as Trump's on the right, and my gut also didn't agree with him, though it isn't as strongly against him as I felt with Hillary.
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It would be really great to see a more moderate female presidential candidate some time. (edited)
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That said, Trump would do greater harm in a second term than Sanders might have by being ineffective, I think.
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Conifer 14/09/2020 06:06
https://youtu.be/FvPOblMMpoo Ah yes, because a man who appreciates and thinks it is funny that a self-proclaimed Tranny, Satanist, Anarchist won a republican nomination in New Hampshire because she was the only person running as a republican and a large quantity voted for her is obviously a far right conservative. When did Trump admit to conspiring with the Russians? Can you cite that? Biden's platform, from what I've seen, is about as noncommittal and status quo as possible, and Bernie has effectively caved into the whims of the democratic establishment. And what about the fact that Trump has utilized ICE less than Obama did, and has worked on multiple outstanding peace deals and is actually taking our troops out of the middle east instead of ordering more drone strikes?
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 06:18
I think Timcast is nonconventional, but still pro-Trump. blechh!
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Here's a very left source: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05/trump-admits-russia-helped-him-win-denies-it-20-minutes-later And while I'm at it, here's a fact check rating on the source: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/vanity-fair/
Trump Admits Russia Helped Him Win, Denies It 20 Minutes Later
The president accidentally acknowledged reality—then quickly returned to his alternate universe.
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The "accidentally" part doesn't negate the fact that he kind of admits it here
“That’s all you heard at the beginning of this Witch Hunt Hoax . . . And now Russia has disappeared because I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected.”
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In reality it's not fair to take what he says out of context like I did. He didn't admit to conspiring, in any case, so that's a mistake on my part.
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Conifer 14/09/2020 16:29
I mean, I see no citation in the article, not even a screencap of the supposed tweet. I was incarcerated at that point, so I have no context on the time in question. And you didn't answer my question at the end there
And what about the fact that Trump has utilized ICE less than Obama did, and has worked on multiple outstanding peace deals and is actually taking our troops out of the middle east instead of ordering more drone strikes?
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Sapare 14/09/2020 17:41
"but considering Trump admitted to conspiring with the Russians to take the election" Wow, I can tell you that my moderate Trump hating friend in america does not think he conspired with Russia. Not many people genuinly think that. Just because Trump andd Putin get along does not mean there was conspiracy. Russia wanted him to get elected but there is no evidence of involvment any more than any other country like China will have done, counteespionage and twitter bots is not rigging an election. Nor does it make Trump guilty, otherwhise Biden be guilty of conspiring with china bein that China has pretty publicly endorsed Biden.(in the sense they have run smears agains Trump repetatly) (edited)
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Conifer 14/09/2020 17:42
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Sapare 14/09/2020 17:45
Also, I just don't see Trump's platform being extreme right. Nationalism is not an extreme right position, it was a perfectly commont tradition till very recently in history. You dont have to agree with his policies but to paint him as some far right extremist is strange. He has voiced no interest in interanation conflicts or otherwise forcing American hegomony onto other people. He has made no statments toward rebuilding some greater empire, his whole policy is issolationism.
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Which I remind you was literarly american number 1 police pre ww2/ww1. Issolationism is something preached by your best presidents at time.
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The interventionilism of modern day america is to many of us disgusting, its warmongering and jingolism.
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That is far more "far right" to me.
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Fact is that Trump signed 3 historic deals this year and has pledged to withdraw more troops from the middle east. He is far from being a jingolistic president, at least at the time.
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For people like me, and Tim, as says repetatly, that matters a lot. Because we know the fucking horrors we have unleashed in the middle east for the last 100 years.
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Ever since the destruction of the ottomans we have destabalized that region and sowed nothing but death, people like me are disgraced by that far more than any closed borders or nationalism. I want my country to be a country for MY people, but I also want the middle east to be countries for THEIR people, not graveyards created by our bombs. (edited)
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I dont understand why the nationalists are the bad guys when the interventionalists have fostered nothing but global conflict for decades now. (edited)
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If you want to see far right policies, look at something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany
Alternative for Germany
Alternative for Germany (German: Alternative für Deutschland, AfD) is a right-wing to far-right political party in Germany. Founded in April 2013, the AfD narrowly missed the 5% electoral threshold to sit in the Bundestag during the 2013 federal election. In 2014, the party wo...
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Trump is tame compred to that.
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and I still support the AFD(for the time being, though I am very shy of them and some of ther policies I disagree with), because I take a sightly offensive group above one that revels in warcrimes and dehumanization of its own folk. (edited)
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Anyway ,Tim is not some far right persona, and I have been watching him for the last few weeks. if you think he is far right then I think it shows your drift toward the far left. Tim to this day constantly says he doesnt like Trump's persona and speeches, but he likes his results(mostly the peacedeals and anti racism stuff). He still does not consdier himself repbulican or right, he seems to be liberterian(though he doesnt use the term, but seems to be consistent with his policies) and often calls out right faults as much as left faults. (edited)
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At most he clickbaits toward the right but I think its more he just clickbaits in general, not based on ideological leaning of the story.
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And I think that really shows a big issue a lot of people are having, I am liberterian, so I feel is Tim, I think a lot of people who are liberterian are being falsely grouped into "right wing" or "far right" by "liberals." because your side can not accept that some of us do not want to be part of a cancel culture/SJW hivemind. To true liberterians, what the left represents today is the death of us. (edited)
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Individualism dies when you create racial guilt. (edited)
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We dont want that, we just want to live and be left to be to our own devices, not used as puppets in some war. (edited)
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And if he right lets us exist, while the left says "with us our against us". I will never side with the left.
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And if tim is right wing simply because he likes the results Trump gave us, that makes my point.
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If you cant have an opinion without being put into a box then there is no place left for liberterians. (edited)
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And i am not talking out of my ass i think, from what I know polls show that Trump leads in in the indepdence vote.
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Despite the fact that pro trump voters tend to be much less likely to give their vote to polsters because of fear. (edited)
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idk if that means he will win, but to me it shows that if you take away party lines and just look at it as individuals, a lot of people are genuinly scared of what the left is doing. Specifically people who usually have no party aligances. (edited)
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Conifer 14/09/2020 18:13
Actually I was watching a vid of his the other day where he referred to himself as a left-leaning libertarian (edited)
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Sapare 14/09/2020 18:14
He did then, I just didnt want to put words into his mouth, but its consistent with his policies. (edited)
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Also, i dont want to link the actual video because we have seen too much blood in this year and I dont want to help desensatize people even more(I am totally desensatized). But if that new Lancester PA shooting really does cause riots and shit. I mean, I was done anyway, but there is no ryme or reason anymore.
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This "movement" is shooting its own leg off by making matyrs of self defense cases. (edited)
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At least from my take on the footage, if something contrary comes out, though idk how this can be changed, the footage is pretty clear.
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He would have had to fucking call up the guy and say he was coming to kill him or some other absurd setup.
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Sapare 14/09/2020 19:01
Also, i just realized: Imagine the people who are pro BLM/defund the police, but ALSO pro UN peacekeeping/blue helmets. (edited)
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"we should not shave under corrupt police that cant be held legally accountable. But we should send nuteriously unaccountable corrupt sexual abusers into other nations to uphold our understanding of peace there because mob rule is bad yall." (edited)
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Dont have more to say on it, but that realization made me recoil a bit.
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:20
There are ongoing criminal investigations that make me suspect Trump was at least covertly accepting Russia's help. https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/24/2016-election-criminal-investigation-justice-000296 This site's rating is far less biased and very high. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/politico/
DOJ inquiry into 2016 election becomes criminal investigation
Attorney General William Barr's look into why the FBI undertook its probe began as an administrative review.
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Conifer 14/09/2020 23:22
All that article does is state there is/was a criminal investigation. Isn't someone innocent until proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, to be guilty?
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Sapare 14/09/2020 23:22
Isnt the investigation over anyway?
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:22
But yeah, Trump is on the "right" for strategic reasons. He's no right extremist. He does come across extremely greedy to me however. You could look up Trump's university, ripping off poor people hoping to work hard for success, or his deal with USPS.
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Beyond that, Trump's attitude is shovenistic.
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Racist.
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Conifer 14/09/2020 23:23
*chauvenstic
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:23
Ah thank you!
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Conifer 14/09/2020 23:24
Also, can you highlight an example of Trump being racist?
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I just want to verify you have sources beyond hearsay
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:25
I don't have the time to research everything I've read over the past 5 years, but from the first time I saw Trump on his TV show, I've disliked him as a person.
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I'll look for a source on that
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Conifer 14/09/2020 23:25
Really, all the way since Home Alone 2?
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:25
haha, I guess
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Sapare 14/09/2020 23:25
I give you he has strong brevado and is politically incorrect. He can be interprted as racist, but I think his actions speak for him, he has consitently played for minority votes and did not even do that badly in the election, so most minorities dont seem to think his rhetoric is that bad. At least thats my interpretation.
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:26
Getting votes isn't about principle to Trump. His character and history is such that it's clear he just wants to manipulate people.
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He's good at it unfortunately.
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Sapare 14/09/2020 23:28
Every politican "wants to manipulate people" but I think you being rude to the minorities if you think the only reason they vote for someone is because they are too stupid to tell how evil he is toward them. (and I dont think that is what you mean, but its what comes across)
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If the minorities like him then they probably have reason to.
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:28
Trump is one of the few celebrities that has stood out to me negatively since I was a teen.
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Sapare 14/09/2020 23:29
Which is perfectly your right, almost non of my friends like him. But I think you bleeding your opinion of him as a person and your opinion of him as a president together.
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and the media plays onto that.
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He is the first president since 9/11 to genuinly pull out of the middle east.
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isnt that something worth celebrating?
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He didnt start a new war, while Hillary was drumming up Syria stuff all the time. The reason I was in favor for him in 2016 was because Hillary was warmongering us against Russia, and I give credit for Trump not doing it, despite the fact that everyone in the establishment is itching to fight Russia in some proxy war.
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:31
You've already read this, Sapare, but I'll post it here as well since it's relevant. Something a friend posted which I agree with:
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For many, this election is either about a person or a platform. If you plan to vote for Donald Trump because you believe in his agenda and are willing to dismiss the numerous problems with his character, then you really have no grounds to attack Joe Biden's character. You can't pick on Joe's occasional stutter and dismiss Donald's occasional semantic gaffes (e.g., covfefe, cut taxes big-league, Nambia). You can't claim Joe used his VP position to score a sweet job for his son and overlook the extreme nepotism (with financial benefits) under Donald's tenure. You can't express fear that Joe's "old age" will become an issue when Donald is just three years younger. You can't call Joe racist for an anti-busing position in the 70's (especially if you don't understand the background) and conveniently forget Donald's casino bosses clearing all black people off the floor when he came around, or his Congressional testimony challenging Native American tribe applications by saying "They don't look like Indians to me." You can't say Joe is too touchy-feely and makes women uncomfortable while blatantly ignoring Donald's 20+ sexual misconduct allegations, some of which Donald appears proud of. It bears noting that when these issues are raised with each of them, these were their respective responses:
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"The boundaries of protecting personal space have been reset, and I get it. I'll be much more mindful. That's my responsibility." - Joe Biden [Speaking about going backstage at the Miss Universe and Miss USA beauty pageants] "They're standing there with no clothes... And you see these incredible looking women, and so, I sort of get away with things like that." - Donald Trump There's a lot more in that interview with Howard Stern, but it's not for the faint of heart. You might also look into the E. Jean Carroll lawsuit, where he's been accused of rape, the prosecution is seeking DNA evidence to prove it, he's refusing even though it would prove his innocence if he submitted it, and now the U.S. Justice Department is trying to take over his defense which means if he loses, taxpayers foot the bill for his misconduct... If you want to debate policy, by all means, post your memes and let's discuss. I will address some relevant hot topics in another post. But if you plan to vote for Donald Trump, don't bother insulting Joe Biden's qualities. That's a fight you'll never win. He's not Mother Theresa, but he's definitely not Donald Trump.
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Sapare 14/09/2020 23:33
Same post that I responded to in the other place and got me muted, and I say same thing. While I will riff on bidens character, if it was just the gaffes I wouldnt care. But Harris and co literarly endorsed bail funds for protestors and rioters while people in the streets where having their homes burned down and store owners were getting smashed their heads in with 2 by 4s. This isnt an election about Biden vs Trump for me, its a simple refusal to reward violence as a political agenda.
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If these riots help Biden win than it proves that the best way to win an election is going into the streets and terrorizing people untill you get what you want.
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:35
I doubt it will be the riots that win it for Biden. Trump has shown negligence and incompetence beyond any other US president in my lifetime. (edited)
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Sapare 14/09/2020 23:36
Before the riots he was slated to win the election, his popularity was the highest since the start of his presdency.
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https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
How Popular Is Donald Trump?
FiveThirtyEight is tracking Donald Trump’s approval ratings throughout his presidency.
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not making it up, in april he was at 5% difference.
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:37
The riots aren't responsible for his fall there, imo, but his lack of anything resembling an appropriate response is.
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Sapare 14/09/2020 23:37
Same with corona stats, look at this curve: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
United States Coronavirus: 6,743,477 Cases and 198,855 Deaths - Wor...
United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
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it had steadied just before june.
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:37
The Rona should have and likely did impact Trump negatively as well.
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Sapare 14/09/2020 23:37
only after the riots strated did the corona thing start falling apart again.
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:37
Due to his own incompetence and greed
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Sapare 14/09/2020 23:38
I am not saying they invented the riot as a way to win, that is absurd, they dont have that power. BUT they totally saw an opportunity and leaned into it when it started, and instead of ending it after a month its been going on for 120 days.
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:38
He doesn't care about the American people, only his accounts and connections.
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Sapare 14/09/2020 23:39
But see, you blame his "lack of appropiate response" but its not, he gave a perfecatly valid response, 90% of the country is not rioted, its only blue states which are rioting because the loacl gov is figuratively saying its better to die in a burning building than to let trump put out the fire.
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:39
Trump has exercised injustice to silence the protesters without adressing the problems with the system.
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Sapare 14/09/2020 23:39
The republicans put forward a reform bill.
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They agreed to have any form of debate and modifications for it.
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:40
Of course they would. I haven't dived into it though. I don't know if it's any good.
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Sapare 14/09/2020 23:40
Well, they said they be willing to adjust it, but the democrats just straight refused it, and then went on vecation.(the house)
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We can disagree, but from my POV its obvious that this is being dragged out as a political manuver.
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both the rioting and the lack of reform.
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There was no reason for the democrats to bail out rioters, there was no reason for the local arturneys to refuse to prosecute people in portland. No reason for the states to refuse Trump's assistance. Or describe federal officers as "stormtroopers". (edited)
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non unless they believe choas and instability aids their political agenda.
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if they wanted peaceful protests they would not have encouraged the violent fringe time and time again.
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:44
If the Democrats have to manipulate the public the way Trump has in order to root him out of office, I'm as ever disappointed in the gullibility of the swing voters, but I think it could be justified. That said, I think the Dems are less about manipulating the voters and more about waiting until they have actual power to do anything worthwhile by their agenda. Waiting Trump out of office could be to their advantage. Though I'm completely speculating here.
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Rather than a reform bill that amps up something like, I dunno, privatized law enforcement under the corporate right wing agenda, the left might have other ideas in mind that they know won't come to fruition without a change in leadership.
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Sapare 14/09/2020 23:46
Trump didnt start a half year riot with countless dead to get elected in 2016 so I don't think its anything close to what he did. Even if Trump is your big evil, commiting greater evil to remove him doesnt gell with me.
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:47
I hate to go so far into speculation, but like I've said, I'm first about character, and second about platform, and I stand where I stand on Trump and Biden.
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Sapare 14/09/2020 23:47
Also, Trump's handeling of the riots enforce for people like me that he was never going to be a tyrant. If he was a tyrant he would have called in the inserection act and stopped these riots.
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He has in this case at all times acted within the boundries of his power. He didnt in past scenarios(like the wall funding) but when it came down to it he abided by law, and I appreciate that.
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:48
He's already covertly vanned away protesters I think that crosses into tyranny.
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Sapare 14/09/2020 23:49
That story is all forms of iffy, I wont get into a big fight. But even if there was suspect dealings(which it likely wasnt) it was an action of the police stationed there, not Trump himself, he isnt responsibile for the exact actions of every federal agends.
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That isnt fair to lay to his feet.
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:49
He's less a tyrant, though, and more a .. I don't know what to call him... a spoiled man child who wants more babes and a sweet golf course.
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Sapare 14/09/2020 23:49
At best you can say William Barr did it.
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But Trump cant micro manage the police like that.
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:50
He'll do whatever he can get away with.
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Whether or not he did it, it's within his character.
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Sapare 14/09/2020 23:51
I am just pointing out that its Trump neithe vanned anyone away himself, nor did he order for people to be vanned away because its not in his juristiction.
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That is William Barr's job.
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:52
He condones the action. He's taken no action to remedy injustice. That's enough reason to get him out of office if this were the only issue to consider, but it's not.
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Sapare 14/09/2020 23:53
That is a fairer stance, but its an important distinction. Something happening under his power, and something happening because of his power.
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:53
There are even worse issues with Trump, really.
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Sapare 14/09/2020 23:54
Because lots of fucked up things appened in the FBI and with wikileaks.
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and we havnt yet broadly blamed obama and who knows what for every thing they did.
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:55
I dislike knowing as little as I do about Trump's criminal exploitative behavior, but I honestly don't feel a need to search out the details. It's clear to me he should have never been nominated.
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Sapare 14/09/2020 23:55
Eitherway, the van story is not that simple. Weither or not anything suspect even happened is its own debate. the police WAS marked, there is 0 debate about that. they had POLICE written on them.
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the thing that was unmarked was the vehicles.
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:55
Yeah, I didn't vote Obama either.
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Sapare 14/09/2020 23:55
but considering that police vehicles were literarly being set on fire for the last 60 plus days before that.
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I am not sure putting anyone into marked police vehicles would have been more humane.
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You can still dislike it but there is context to consider here.
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they didnt get up and say "lets stuff them into these vans because its scarier"
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they did it because being in a police car is a death sentence
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when people are throwing molotovs at police cars.
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:58
I don't condone violence against a non-violent individual. That's not what the protests are about of course.
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Also, the protests are not the only reason to vote Trump out.
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Sapare 14/09/2020 23:59
Of course, but they are for me and seemingly a decent amount a major reason to vote him in.
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So its not that simple,we see these riots from a very different angle.
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Flutterpony 14/09/2020 23:59
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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true
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:00
To us they are anarchy on the streets. Any racial justice message was lost when their slogans became ACAB and defund the police.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:00
I still think their taglines should have been less inflammatory, yes.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:00
Their molotovs too
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;p
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:01
pained laugh
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:01
(couldnt resit, the joke wrote itself)
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:01
heh
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:01
I do hope that whoever wins, productive police reform comes out of it, a lot of people are owed that much at least.
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and maybe some people can find peace in that. (edited)
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:02
Do you see the broader character of a leader, such as their attitude toward women and minorities, to be important factors in whether or not to vote for them?
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Biden's platform is in favor of police reform.
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The Nov. 3 election between President Donald Trump and Joe Biden will give American voters a choice between two candidates with divergent approaches to tackling some of the biggest issues facing the country. Take a look at their policies in key areas.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:03
Not really. I think Putin is a great leader within the context of his nation. A leader needs to be strong and competent above all, a firm father not the loving mother.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:04
Justice is only cruelty without mercy.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:04
I prefer them to work within their laws and not be evil of course(and putin fails that at times) but I still much more value competence than likeability.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:04
Putin is a murderer essentially.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:04
A lot of people are murderers.
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I dont aprove of Putin's purging of his political enemies, that I do mind.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:04
not good leaders.
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Good leaders may be repented murderers, but not unrepentant murderers
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:05
I guess that comes down to what you define it as. I think that starting or joining a war is murder.
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and yet that has been the fate of many good leaders.
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But for Putin, I dont approve of his treatment of his political enemies, but the man made russia powerful after its downfall and has kept it stable and runing despite the fact that russia is a nuteriously difficult country to reign. Russia has seen much worse leaders, both in repression and incompetence. Within that context he is a good leader to me.
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If Putin died tomorrow we all ought to be concerned. (edited)
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:07
War may be closer to manslaughter sometimes, not desired or calculated for personal gain. War may be for human rights. War is not so noble frequently, but murder on the other hand is not like war. It's for power and gain. (edited)
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:08
its based on the context. Murder of your polotical opposition with poision like Putin? Yea, I dissavow it. But we have no evidence Trump did such a thing.
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And I am not a fan of how Snowden and Assange were treated either, its pretty much the same as murder in my eyes.
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So its no as thugh US is above it.
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Actually Trump did commit murder.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:09
I think Trump's crime is closer to negligent homocide.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:09
I dont blame trump for Corona nor the deaths that came of it.
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if thats what you aluding to.
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But he did drone strike the iranian guy at the start of the year.
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It was the most mad I was ever at him.
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and at the time I wanted him out of office.
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that was murder.
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But in the year of 2020 that is water under the bridge, crazy.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:10
A decent father will do everything in his power not to accidentally kill or starve or terrorize or rob his children. Trump and Putin are not like father figures.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:11
A decent father gives his children the tools to survive. A mother invites children she can not feed. I take the first over the 2nd. Compassion while useful to temper yourself with is not a leading principle.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:12
I don't think Trump has given us any tool that he didn't stand to benefit from. He even delayed the delivery of relief funds to Americans in order to have his name printed on the checks being sent out.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:13
I am going to have to look that up, but I really caution you not to take things at face value. While sometimes the bad storise about trump have truths, they almost always are more nuanced than that.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:13
Compassion is the primary principle of any good human, especially a good leader.
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1. Love God. 2. Love neighbor.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:14
And I point that the democrats have been blocking relief funds with their heros act because they insist on having unrelated election chanes tied in with it.
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Demcoracies have always suffered from slow turnaround.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:14
I don't suspect Republicans are any better.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:14
I mean, they didnt want to sign it because of the election changes.
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So, no, both playing power games.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:15
I'm centrist anyway, but whatever the Dems are doing, I think Biden will be a force for good.
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Biden is moderate. I'm glad I won't have to vote 3rd party.
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Even if the Democratic nominee were an extremist like Sanders, though, I'd vote for him over Trump.
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I dont' think Sanders was really an evil kind of extremist, though, just unrealistic.
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Maybe naive
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:18
I looked up the story, It was reported but even in the report they say that the treasure department said there is no delay. So its pretty much a he said/she said.
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But his name was printed on them, that much is true, and that is seemingly uncommon, that much is true too.
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If it delayed it idk, but at most it would have delayed it a week, and that is purely speculation. (edited)
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Sanders was good in 2016, but now he is just one more cog in the machine.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:19
Starve the poor without electronic deposit for a week. Sounds like Trump.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:19
Do you not see how you decide the resolution first
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then lay the road to it?
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I just, its kinda how I see this as. You say "Trump would do it" so Trump did it, which informs your view on what he would do.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:20
My conclusion about Trump was drawn back when I first heard him arrogantly chide and fire people for the amusement of others and his own pocketbook.
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Everything he does is tainted to me.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:21
But was it good he is pulling out of the middle east?
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that he got multiple muslim countries to sign peace and relations with isreal?
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Can we at least give him the nobel peace price. (edited)
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:21
I've heard he's been pulling out irresponsibly, leaving disorder and risk.
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Obama tried to pull out quickly too.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:22
You been there for 20 years irresponsibly.
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you have no responsibility, please just leave.
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the reasons the muslims hate us so much is because the US and friends keep bombing their shit.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:22
Even if America's presence was irresponsible, it doesn't meanpulling the makeshift rug out from under the system over there is reasonable now.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:23
Not like he can pull any ruggs anyway, he is fighting against a whole system of the militaryindustrial complex.
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he is moving at snails pace.
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why did you guys not listen to Eisenhower, he was the most popular president in modern time an yet no one seems to remember his speech. (edited)
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:25
I'm glad that terrorism has been disrupted there, but I don't know enough about it to decide whether US military presence has made things any better or exclusively worse. Of course, when you measure success by an ethnocentric standard, you'll come away thinking what happened was necessary. I mean it's hard to come to an unbiased conclusion about the middle East
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:25
I am curious though, do you believe in the "suckers and losers" story from the Atlantic then?
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Also, your nation created the terrorism.(and my nation to be fair, all the west) (edited)
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:25
What's that story?
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:26
our crimes in the middle east are endless.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:26
There were some bad things the military did.
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Oh the accusation against Trump saying he called vets suckers and losers
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:26
not just the military, the destruction of the ottoman empire, the ww2 selling of Isreal to multiple fucking factions, the constant American invasions of Iraq.
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For the last 100 years we have used the middle east as our grounds for petty sqabbles.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:27
I mean, it falls in line with What Trump does on a daily basis, but it doesn't affect my opinion of Trump much considering it's just a drop in the bucket.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:27
what was once a civilization equal to ours is now a bunch of petti tribes murdering each other, and to me that is a disgrace. (edited)
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:28
It seems immensely complicated.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:28
Convoluted more like. (edited)
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:28
At the very least, yes.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:28
but by our creation. I just want us out.
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i have wanted us out for as long as I been politically aware.
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I feel not pride in drone striking some fucking people or dropping bombs onto syria from planes they cant shoot down.
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when we had the rise of muslim extremism in 2015 and we had the debate weither or not "muslim religion just violent" or "muslims peaceful, just a few bad apples"
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I sat there frustrated with everyone.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:29
War is ugly.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:30
because the reality is neither is true. Its not the religion, but they are also not peaceful, they despise us, and with good reason, we are the living devils because our nations have toyed with their lives for decades.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:30
When it's driven by thoughtless action, it's worse than ugly.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:30
So yea, idc if the pulling out is "irresponsible" I just want to be gone. (edited)
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Let them murder each other, ultimately it will create new culture and new civilization. But let us stop intervening.
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They are of no military danger to anyone in the west.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:32
I get the sentiment. I still think there's room to argue it. Terrorism that affects the US and international community is worth squashing, but not without due diligence. (edited)
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:32
Squash it in your own borders.
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Thats how I feel on it, if you are not invited in you cant enter another nation.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:33
The whole international Eutropean community was on board with the US's action originally. (edited)
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:33
The sovereignty of nations is vital to internation stability. (edited)
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Actually, it wasnt in the 2nd invasion.
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the 1980 or whatever yes.
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but we all said fuck you to the weapons of mass destruction invasion.
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at least from my understanding.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:34
Hmm.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:34
europe did not get involved till later
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but we did later get dragged into with isis
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I could be wrong, but thats generally how my german parents see it, germany supposly stayed out of it during inital invasion.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:35
What's Biden's stance on pulling out? Lessee
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:35
but it doesnt matter who was fault, its not about "US" bad.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:35
Seems Trump is mixed?
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:35
Its still a whole issue the west has to share.
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and biden said he is pulling out too, both parties are in favor of pulling out now, which is good. But So was obama and we see how that went.
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but Trump did give us multiple peace deals and has solidifed isreal.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:36
Oh bravo Reuters! https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/reuters/
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:36
if he can just get isreal to be our local proxy and we can leave, thats good enough.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:36
I'm not convinced Trump is competent enough to fully understand the Middle East situation.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:37
he did make multiple peace deals.
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they are a real thing
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:37
He'd probably rely on advisers to figure out what's best for his accounts primarily and his name secondarily.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:37
that can be true
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but even if its his staff doing it
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it a godsend to us.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:38
I'd rather have a competent leader with good staff than an incompetent one with good staff.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:38
Not if the competent leader has no motive to do what I think is right.
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If he pulls out of middle east, thats great.
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But If this is the first time we seen increasing peace in years I dont see much reason to shake it up.
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at best its a mood point.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:40
Biden is in favor of reducing our presence if I've understood, but his stance is far clearer and seems more cautious than Trump's
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What about Biden is so hard to accept?
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I have to go soon.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:41
Nothing in this context, I said its good if he plans to do it and if he does it.
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but if both parties have generally the same plan with it an one is (supposly)actively doing it, then there is little reason to stop him from doing it and put in someone new to do it instead.
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at least not on that issue on its own.
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I am sceptical of Biden doing it because there is a lot of political pressuer to stay in the middle east, the militaryindustrial complex needs money.
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Biden as a normal candidate is beholden to the political institutions that put him there(though to be fair, he wont run for re-election, so he could cut himself free)
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while Trump has shown to regard political institutions with little regard, so I feel he has more liberty to navigate freely.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:43
Why won't he run for re-election? (edited)
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:43
Pretty sure he already publicly stated so.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:44
hmm ah well
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I'm sure it's for an intelligent reason.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:44
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-082129
Biden signals to aides that he would serve only a single term
Advisers weigh the merits of a one-term pledge by the 77-year-old former vice president.
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there might be another source but its the first i found, but its something I had heard before. (edited)
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:45
Trustworthy
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:45
It does admitetly mean he could be a wildcard president.
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He could go anti establishment once elected, but I admit that I don't trust his vigor, and you can call that personal slander from right wing sources, but just how I feel. (edited)
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:46
he seems genuine to me in any case. I trust his stated positions and support most of them
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:48
Hopefully you are right, if true then to someone like me there be no losin vote. If Biden can walk the walk and stop the left from going full lunatic, while upholding reasonable reform and less middle east presence, then it would be a pretty decent term. (edited)
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Dosent mean I agree with your assesment, but you been around longer than me, maybe you know things I don't. Maybe its all going to be ok. (edited)
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:49
the candidates are night and day to me. Trump and Hillary were like 2 nights
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:50
I didn't like hillary but I just wanted anti establishment candidate and to see what he can do.
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(and was concerned the US would force us all into another conflict with Russia s Hillary was totally inciting it)
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For most of Trumps term I was pretty meh on him, he moved slowly most of the time and seemed to blunder whenever he did make a leap. (edited)
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:51
Trump is to the government and American people like rioters are to their communities.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:51
But this last year it seemed like he finally shook the cobwebs and got past the establishment roadblocks.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:51
He's doing as much as he can to grab every dime and remove restrictions.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:51
and now I would love to see what he can do with 4 years without being hampered.
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If he wins after all of this violence agaisnt him, he will have pretty much unopposed power.
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anyone who went against him will look a fool, and that is facinating.
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Or he just gets stuck in another 4 years of russia gate and I am too hopeful... politics are harsh.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:52
Remember he lost the popular vote. A true democracy wouldn't have supported him.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:52
eh
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That is a nuanced topic too, but he is far from the first candidate to win without popular vote advantage.
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and very few US candidates won with 50% or more popular vote.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:53
He's the first to lose to a candidte who had more citizen votes than he did. (edited)
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:53
So its not as though his victory is specifically unfair.
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what do you mean with that.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_in_which_the_winner_lost_the_popular_vote
List of United States presidential elections in which the winner lo...
There have been five United States presidential elections in which the winner lost the popular vote including the 1824 election, which was the first U.S. presidential election where the popular vote was recorded. Losing the popular vote means securing less of the national popu...
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:54
I think his victory is barely legit, but legit nonetheless.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:54
its 5
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I think.
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5 presidence have lost pooular vote and still won election
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:55
Hillary has more votes than Trump. The winner has never had fewer.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:55
Yes
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Gore had more than Bush
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:56
Oh ok. I must be thinking of the fact that both candidates lost the popular vote, then.
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That's unique
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:56
its not super common, but it has happened 5 times in history.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:56
Gore won the popular vote, for example right? (edited)
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Hillary didn't
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:56
what do you mean by "won" it
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:56
Meaning she was voted for by less than 50%
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:57
yes
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:57
But Gore had more than 50%
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:57
but thats commont too, almost no president ever had 50%
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gore didnt either
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Popular vote 50,456,002 50,999,897 Percentage 47.9% 48.4%
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this is 2000
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gore being the number on the right.
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mind that trumps is a lot more of a swing admitetly.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:58
Oh wow. That's news to me.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:58
Popular vote 62,984,828[2] 65,853,514[2] Percentage 46.1% 48.2% (this one is 2016 election) (edited)
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:58
Hmm.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:58
Its almost impossible to get 50% because of how close teh elections tend to be and a bunch of people will vote independent.
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obama did break the 50% line though
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by quite a bit.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:59
Eeesh the voting system is so broken.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:59
I mean, its just how elections work, if you can vote for more than two parties(even if they are effectively unable to win) then its hard to get 50%.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 00:59
Anyway. Gotta go.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 00:59
You would need some kind of 2nd choice voting system.
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Alright, take care.
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Flutterpony 15/09/2020 01:00
Yeah. I like the 2nd choice option.
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Sapare 15/09/2020 01:05
It is pretty much the only time though(unless we go WAY back) that a president won election while losing popular vote by more than 1%. So it is the most extreme case, I give you that. But I don't hold it against him, he won within the rules placed before him and considering how much everyone thought he had no chance, even just a technical victory is still impressive. But I conceded it would be better for the nation that whoever wins this time wins with the popular vote, I hope for it.
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Also, unrelated to anything but fucking hell this is a weird electoral map to see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_United_States_presidential_election
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The 1976 United States presidential election was the 48th quadrennial presidential election. It was held on Tuesday, November 2, 1976. Democrat Jimmy Carter of Georgia defeated incumbent Republican President Gerald Ford from Michigan. Carter's win represented the lone Democrat...
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Sapare 15/10/2020 21:56
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgNWKIXvHp8
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Flutterpony 16/10/2020 00:22
seems like a tldw might be in order.
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Sapare 19/10/2020 23:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZEpJNynPJU
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TheyCallMeTrinity 19/10/2020 23:19
Repeat after me: the American 1st Emendament protects you from the governemnt censoring you, not from private entities doing so. Also, "antifa was the paramilitary wing of the German Communist Party", what the holy hell is this guy sprouting. Spartacists were close enough to the Nazi party's timeframe, but they were utterly crushed veyr early. During the period of instability, their slogan was even "after Hitler, our turn". The actual GDR-funded commie paramilitary, the RAF, was neither the militant wing of jackshit, nor they appropriated the "antifascist" label.
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Sapare 20/10/2020 05:09
Repeat after me: Your morality is not the abiter of law, we can find legal things despictable and we can change what is legal. 230 corperations should not have gov protection if they act as publishers. And they will soon be held accountable. As for the Antifa thing, pretty sure he just tripped over his words as moments later he is talking about the democratic party. He is equating Antifa to the brownshirts, in today. Though german communists of the 1920's where just as militiant and violent as the Nazis so its moot what you call them, neither party has monopoly on terror. (edited)
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TheyCallMeTrinity 20/10/2020 11:20
They will be held accountable someday indeed. But the things they will be held accountable for may not be of your liking either. >Though german communists of the 1920's where just as militiant and violent as the Nazis so its mute what you call them, neither party has monopoly on terror. My point was that "antifa" is not a communist thing, we had fucking Monarchists opposing fascism during the latter's heyday, whether the politically unstable Germany of the Twenties had any side of politics innocent is moot, and they certinaly had zero fighting spirit by the time Hitler had become member of the parliament.
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Deleted User 20/10/2020 13:40
BLM is a Hate Group with many of them members express hatred for any Caucasian Races that they encounter they have openly embraced Communist and socialist Policies and want to rebuild the United States in a Lawless Society that is Goberned by a Mob of Violent thugs. Antifa is an extension of this movment funded by Rich Liberals that support the world views that the BLM movment have off complete anarchy these protests are the beginning of a bigger problem due to hit soon and both most Republicans and Democrats are too weak and hateful to look at the problems croping up in the United States this country isn't perfect but it's experiment of Democracy, Capitalism individual freedom and Self Worth have proplled some of the greatest figures in history of all backgrounds regardless of race for rise and pursue all possibilities through different struggles respective of there times and if some could see the absolute anarchy caused by close minded radicals on both sides it would make them regret there contributions to the Greatest Country in the world I'm an American I'm proud of my Family's Spanish Roots and they were driven out of there home country by communist and anarchist forces fighting Monarchist Spanish forces in the Spanish Civil War so the communist experiment is a joke and should always be treated as one every country should embrace there history with respect and love not hate even with some of it's dark past in rememberance of what not to become again end of my rant. (edited)
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TheyCallMeTrinity 20/10/2020 14:00
If BLM in general is a hate group, I hate to imagine what you think the Nation of Islam is (hint: the name is not indicative). Not to mention, "openly embraced socialist policies", such as... ? Does wanting to revert the auto-inflicted creation of an ethnic minority count as "wanting a lawless society ruled by a mob of violent thugs"? And rich Conservatives fund Proud Boys and the Church of Creativity sometimes. Your point?
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Deleted User 20/10/2020 14:25
There is no point in going on with this you are clearly a passionate liberal and I'm passionate about my views I'm not going to answer your loaded questions because we would sit here all day debating about nothing that will change our viewpoints and I bid you farewell. (edited)
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Flutterpony 20/10/2020 15:46
mute what you call them
moot
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I think. lemme check
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Aye.
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Flutterpony 20/10/2020 15:56
BLM is poorly branded imo. They were never well unified and still aren't. The main advantage their name/slogan seems to have is that it gets a reaction (especially from excluded groups like whites and blues). But that same publicity works against them for sounding self centered. Still, they represent anti-racism and a drive to reform long standing issues with our justice system. (edited)
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Seems Papita is gone.
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Sapare 21/10/2020 00:51
I obviously do not see them representing "anti-racism", unless you mean the modern definition which seems to be creating racism to counterweight percieved slights. At which point, yes, they are very much anti racism and I am very much anti anti racism. I like to be able to say all lives matter without losing my teeth and I like to be able to see black men walk down the street wearing what they want without being executed. As for the police thing, I don't think they will fix it, nor do they seem to be genuine about it. Street violence and terrorism will never lead to a more respectable law enforcment system.
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Sapare 21/10/2020 00:58
Funny enough too, the video in question was about a black man having his teeth busted by Antifa because he was protesting against Twitter and Facebook and it was (presumptively) the evil racist right wing that fundraised him over 10k dollars to get it fixed.
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Horrible racists vs just knights in shining armor.
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Just dont know which one is which. (edited)
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There is no racism devide here, its two sides with very different views on how to move the country forward, but neither is doing it with some deep seeded intent to subjegate "the other". But as long as the left thinks they got a shining horse and that the right is arguing from a position of bigotry, they will lose. Because they will falsely believe that the minority they think they represent hates Trump, when both in 2016 and today we see evidence to the contrary. Trump is a man, no more or less inheriently virtous than the next, but an ideology designed around seeing him as "less than man" will never convince minorites this will bring an end to bigotry. You don't fight bigotry by being a bigot that only opens pandoras box, and the minorities are smart enough to see that. (edited)
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TheyCallMeTrinity 21/10/2020 20:38
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1318908193309970432?s=19 I find interesting that neither side of the comments seems to understand the fact that "civil union" is, in effect, same-sex marriage within Italy, meaning that he's not opening the Catholic Church up to same-sex religious marriage , just that it's not right that what is, in effect, civil marriage , is cut off from same-sex couples. (edited)
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https://youtu.be/6jcqYOSs0Nw
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Sapare 03/11/2020 16:48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-iNIwAFzPw loosely contect to RL politics... but poignant
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Flutterpony 03/11/2020 17:36
Poignant and timely.
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Sapare 04/11/2020 16:38
2020 eh?
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This has to be the worst possible outcome to the election. This is going to lead to horrible things, no one is happy.
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If there isnt a major swing I actually hope biden just wins, because a super close contest Trump win is never going to end well. Let biden win and republicans keep the senate and at least hopefully they can contain the insanity.
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Burger 05/11/2020 03:16
Well for any state with under a 1% margin, can be asked to be recounted
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Also all the dodgy shit going on in all the ballot counting places, like "We won't count any more for a day and then start counting again" or boarding off windows so people can't see those counting ballots
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Sapare 07/11/2020 04:22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDT-szztGsY Should this be dismissed as arlamist? I mean, they won the election and one of the first things a leading gov offical(possibly soon to be speaker of the house considering how pelosi is doing) just said this.
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I dont understand why people on the left seem so eager to just dismiss this as a nothing story. Am I missing something? Or are we slowly pushing goalposts so that by the time this does happen its totally natural and idk why you even complaining, we were always saying we should make a list. (edited)
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Flutterpony 07/11/2020 11:43
Biden works across party lines. He is centrist. He is exactly what the country needs. I've never been more enthusiastic about a candidate.
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Sapare 07/11/2020 14:46
Glad for you then, being he is likely to be the next president. Hopefully he lives up to your expectations.
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That said, this is a joke coming up but I find it kek enough to post: Considering the faith everyone seems to be having in this election, lets just make the next one a strawpoll and save us all some time. (edited)
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Burger 07/11/2020 17:37
Well most likely he won't be president for long if he does get it, since I expect him to step down and let Harris take the role
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It's an easy way to slide someone in the Dems actually want in, while convincing the voter base they are voting for someone who isn't her
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Sapare 07/11/2020 18:55
We'll see. No choice now but to give him a chance
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the worse he does the better for the next wave of popularism.
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and if he does well, we can all be happy.
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I dont think it ends today, a sentiment has been stoked and its here to stay.
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Burger 08/11/2020 00:54
Also gotta see how the lawsuits and motions take place
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Filing for recounts and checking ballots and whatnot that's occuring. See a few reports on voters who were already dead voting
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Flutterpony 08/11/2020 02:38
https://twitter.com/woot_master/status/1325189020226236416
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Wootmaster 🦓 (@woot_master)
"We need to reach out to Trump supporters to show them kindness and understanding" starter pack
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Sapare 08/11/2020 02:45
Who?
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Burger 08/11/2020 03:54
Ah, literally who
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Flutterpony 08/11/2020 04:29
I'm sure I've heard the name Wootmaster thrown around, though I don't remember who they are and only know they're a member of the brony community.
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I just thought the images should be noted.
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Sapare 08/11/2020 15:08
woosh(not sure that counts if someone just isnt in on the injoke) (edited)
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Flutterpony 08/11/2020 15:09
oh yeah it counts.
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I'm clearly not in on it (edited)
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Sapare 08/11/2020 15:09
He is the guy who burned Derpi to the ground because he is an attention whore.
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So everyone started pretending they dont know at all who he is.
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Flutterpony 08/11/2020 15:09
oh yeeeah!
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lol
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Sapare 08/11/2020 15:09
because giving him what he wants is stupid
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Flutterpony 08/11/2020 15:10
It's even funnier cause I don't care enough to rememebr who they are.
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Sapare 08/11/2020 15:11
the ultimate who
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Flutterpony 08/11/2020 15:11
I was recognized yesterday by somebody in a fanfiction community. Part of me is glad my reputation still preceeds me. (edited)
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Sapare 08/11/2020 15:12
Its a good reputation.
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Flutterpony 08/11/2020 15:12
It's a good reputation, yes, but unfortunately not to all.
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Sapare 08/11/2020 15:13
In a way it seperates the wheat from the shaff, or however that goes. Those that will frown on it are better avoided anyway. (edited)
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Flutterpony 08/11/2020 15:13
I was banned there pretty quickly for discussing the representation of minor attracted characters. It was no real loss.
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I threw in a few light pokes to hopefully get the leadership and others thinking before I was booted.
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Ever so gentle as is my MO
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At least in other communities.
15:15
I'm not as gentle in what I consider my home communities.
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Sapare 08/11/2020 15:16
Easier when you dont have to worry about being judged or getting into a fight. Eitherway, you done good for the community and I think you should take pride in being recognized, certainly always bette than being obscure.
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Flutterpony 08/11/2020 15:17
An infant needs milk before meat. That's the understanding level I was working with there.
15:17
I think you're right.
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I don't think I've earned any special privilege but I take pride in the sense that I feel satisfaction from the consequences I've earned. And when someone recognizes me still I know I have limited time to make a decent impression for good before the ban strikes.
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Sapare 08/11/2020 15:23
hopefully someday less bans, more love.
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Flutterpony 08/11/2020 15:25
My primary objective was to plant seeds of compassion for teleios and self acceptance for closeted individuals.
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Sapare 08/11/2020 15:26
it certainly helped me with that, thanks.
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Flutterpony 08/11/2020 15:45
I need to try and be a bridge for others, successful or not, for my own health.
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Flutterpony 08/11/2020 19:36
Probably actually written by a speech writer.
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Sapare 08/11/2020 20:59
same lunatic who wants to have trump supporters listed. Dangerous lady
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Burger 08/11/2020 21:33
"Yes, let's make a list of names of people who we say are Nazis and release them to the public. No they aren't hitlists because we didn't say for anyone to kill these people, but we won't be sad if they do"
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Sapare 08/11/2020 21:49
Combine that with some of these people having the sentiment that killing facist is always a form of self defense. (edited)
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And you have a great society.
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Burger 08/11/2020 22:47
"We live in a society" and whatnot (edited)
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Also if you ever want more places to talk about horse politics, then I know a place for you
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Flutterpony 08/11/2020 22:50
https://twitter.com/JimGaffigan/status/1324348034021548033?s=19
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Jim Gaffigan (@JimGaffigan)
I don’t want to sound uninformed but who is Donald Trump again?
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Burger 08/11/2020 23:02
So its "Spam everyone about him and how evil he is" to "He doesn't exist now"
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Flutterpony 09/11/2020 11:48
That's the idea! Jim Gaffigan is a comedian.
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Sapare 10/11/2020 03:28
https://youtu.be/R5ki6S-WsKU?t=1395
Fox News
Tucker: We heard you. It’s hard to trust anything. Here’s what we k...
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at least someone in big news still has the balls to speak their mind without censorship.
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true patriot
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Burger 10/11/2020 03:40
Didn't fox also cut off one of trump's recent speeches? Weird (But not really) how they have flipped and gone to treating him like CNN does
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Sapare 10/11/2020 03:41
seemingly they cut off Keleigh Mcenany (edited)
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but i havnt seen the exact clip nor do I know which press briefing it was, might been his one
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV-IKZWypXI
Sky News Australia
‘We want maximum transparency’: Kayleigh McEnany slams Democrats fo...
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eitherway, she is one of the strongest speakers of the modern day and kinda ironic that for all the "womens power" lefty talk, the republicans have THE strong women character in their field. Cutting her off is always a crime. (edited)
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Hope she runs someday
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Burger 10/11/2020 03:51
Yeah it was this one, she says about illegal votes and the fox guy goes "Woah woah, I can't show you that since they have no evidence of this", while he talks over her
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Sapare 10/11/2020 04:12
I think twiter also removed that video
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honestly, while I dont think Trump will turn this, if this kind of despicable behavior doesnt make me want to see him win, idk what would. (edited)
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4 more years of Trump to really burn away the rott might do everyone some good. If not in 2020, then at least in 2024
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Crys 18/11/2020 01:35
I just want things to calm down a little.
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but I soo hate censorship and it is hard to individually convince everyone to step back and take a deep breath.
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I do not think ether blm or the proud boys are hate groups but both have a few bad apples.
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 01:47
I'm more on the BLM side myself insofar as I think there's no reason for "white pride."
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Crys 18/11/2020 01:49
I think it unfair to say that any one race can or cant do something
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am not a member myself
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 01:50
I say it as a proud cracker myself. I mean, sure, I can be proud of how I look or my heritage, but my race hasn't endured recent oppression.
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Not systemically anyway
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Crys 18/11/2020 01:51
that depends on ware you live
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 01:51
Mostly since whites control the system. I'm thinking in the US, but I suppose I could be wrong.
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Crys 18/11/2020 01:52
but it is sad to define yourself by "recent oppression" no matter who you are
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I hope thing get better for anyone who dos
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 01:53
Even if a white person were to be arrested or denied work due to skin color, there's far more for recourse in my case than in any other race's case in my country.
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I didn't understand the loud minority until I embraced being a pedophile, myself.
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Crys 18/11/2020 01:54
what country do you live in
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 01:54
US
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Crys 18/11/2020 01:56
did you know that therapy is a trap here
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 01:56
Hypothetically, yes, any person of color has access to every sociolegal resource that a white person has, but in practice that's not really the case.
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I learned that therapy is a trap when I was a minor and my therapist revealed my sexuality to my mother.
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Crys 18/11/2020 01:57
we need to fix the hypothetically part
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same
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 02:00
When I was no longer a minor and my doctors were required to keep confidentiality, I learned therapy is a mixed bag. If a pedophile throws themself at the mercy of the system, they might have hope of being "cured," but I was never in it for a cure. I think there are still genuinely good options in therapy, and I learned my fair share from it.
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Crys 18/11/2020 02:01
but making laws that systemically(not hypothetically) (dis)advantage anyone will just breed resentment.
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 02:01
Really, even as a minor, though no help was given for my attractions, that was never my primary focus in therapy. Rather I had wanted help with anxiety and depression.
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Crys 18/11/2020 02:02
also same
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 02:02
I think the therapy worked somewhat for that.
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Crys 18/11/2020 02:03
but I never got that far because it is hard to trust again
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 02:05
I did get treated by a specialist for pedophiles as a minor who turned out to be completely unhelpful (though at least not hurtful really). If my mother had reacted harshly at all I wouldn't have trusted again. I had a bit more luck as an adult with treatment, but still not for my attractions so much as seeing how the system treated offenders.
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Crys 18/11/2020 02:07
I think this may be the wrong chat
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at this point
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 02:07
Yes and no. It would fit better in #deleted-channel
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Crys 18/11/2020 02:07
shall we move?
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 02:07
Sure
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Crys 18/11/2020 03:42
wow we really derailed politics
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I'd like to point out that tim is not really a primary source at this point(he was) so unless you just want him to help articulate your opinion you are better off going to his source @Sapare
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 04:14
He gave me the sense he was a source years ago, and I've since lost that sense, but I never looked closely at his practice.
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Crys 18/11/2020 04:28
He reads the news and tells you what he thinks of it
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he did film events in the past
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 04:40
I definitely find his sources more interesting than his opinion, though i don't dislike him exactly.
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Crys 18/11/2020 04:44
I like him but he pumps out so much it gets old.
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 04:47
I feel that as well. I still will listen to somethign Sapare shares occasionally.
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I'll always take it with a grain of salt as well.
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Sapare 18/11/2020 04:47
There is almost no such thing as a primary source anymore, CNN, NBC, Fox, non of them are, they just copy each others info, and frequently this info is based on annon sources with no basis in reality. At least with Tim you get one step seperation from the "source" an the output, so there is no inherient self justifyin bias in trying to sell your own lies. As with everything I take him with a grain of salt but its easier to have him sift through the garbage and point to the important stories, then i can read up on anything that is really worth it. But news as a concept is effectively dead, the perception of reality is too divided for one source to be valid to both sides.
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Crys 18/11/2020 04:48
that is what i like about him
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he have an eye for stories to look more into
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Sapare 18/11/2020 04:49
For weeks they print the Atlantic "Trump called dead vets suckers and losers" story, which had only annon sources and every non annon person they seemed to ask said they never heard this and had not encountered these events. But the Hunter Biden story isnt worth printing because it might be fake news. Or is somehow not even worth wasting time on. And that includes average people, people in this room felt that way, they had an opinion on one and non on the other. And I am sure for the left they have examples of the same sentiment on the other side(heck, maybe us caring about Hunter Biden story but not thinking Trump should been impeached is that to them).
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There is no one reality, as such there is no longer one true story.
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Eiher Trump lost and is trying to destroy the democracy, or he won and is trying to save democracy. Both are equally valid views in todays world, and only who ends up writing the history books will be "right".
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 04:50
I'd have to analyze one of his recent videos to give examples of why I don't trust him, but, despite liking him years ago, I now just tolerate him and think he presents well, but it feels like he's lost his edge for me.
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There's no proven precedent or believable evidence for the level of fraud Trump purports.
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Crys 18/11/2020 04:51
I lean left but how did biden look more guilty at trumps impeachment then trump?
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 04:52
I don't follow you.
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Sapare 18/11/2020 04:52
Not at the impeachment but at the laptop.
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the fact that almost every news outlet censored the story and pretended they are above reporting on questionable claims.
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Crys 18/11/2020 04:52
and how did he win the primary after that? we are better then that.
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Sapare 18/11/2020 04:52
after having spend 4 years reporting hearsay.
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 04:52
I wasn't looking at Biden at Trump's impeachment.
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Biden is totes my guy.
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Crys 18/11/2020 04:53
I voted for a different D in the primary
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Sapare 18/11/2020 04:53
Its not about weither Biden is guilty or not, its that one side will always portray him as guilty and the other always as not. Because there is no dialogue, there is evidence toward both and without truthful reporting(which is dead), its just up to you to decide which truths you like.
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Same with the fraud. We will never trully know if the election was rigged or not, nor does it really matter, because even IF it was rigged the left would never admit it.
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an if it wasnt rigged the right would never admit it either.
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its all pointless now.
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 04:55
I think those claims are false. Some on the right/left would admit wrongdoing and some on the right support Biden's election. (edited)
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Sapare 18/11/2020 04:56
So, the best I can advice is taking a step back and at least being self concious enough that we dont know. Sometimes admiting you dont know reality is the wises thing to do. Because we live in hyperpolar bubbles with "news media" that has decided it would rather win lying than lose being honest. (edited)
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Crys 18/11/2020 04:57
I think there was some some fraud but not enough to swing the election
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yes news is now largely entertainment that will bend the truth for its fans (edited)
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 04:59
We don't have to assume the country is too polarized to determine what's true altogether. We should be willing to put in due dilligence, and yes, admit what we don't know, but still not assume the totality of both left and right media is all lies.
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Crys 18/11/2020 04:59
but bias existed before and will after
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 05:00
True
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Crys 18/11/2020 05:01
look for primary sources and approach each side with an open mind
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Sapare 18/11/2020 05:09
You can still consume news and try to apply logic and sourcing to judge the value yourself, and I recoment it. But I am confident that every month now you'll find more and more people who's worlds and standards of the world will increasingly seem unhinged, because more likely than not your view of the topic will be slanted by whatever news you choose to consume, and theirs by whatever news they choose to consume. I actually think you can, if try to, see real parrelels to how the first american civil war went down in history. This idea that people will scream at each other that it was about slaverly and being evil vs it being about liberty and the freedom of small state versus autherterian feral regime. And most likely the kneejerk reaction will be "it was about slavery you idiot", and that is the issue, if you can not see what it means to other people, or refuse to accept the genuiness of their view, it will leave no communiation open. But where the civil war is history and at most it dictates if we think a flag should fly or a statue stand, today we are talking about real issues in this very moment.
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And I can not help but see that same devide here, and it will end not with debate about old statues or old flags, but modern people and real life consequences.
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Crys 18/11/2020 05:10
yes due dilligence. look for fraud do it seriously now so we can have a proper transition of power in 2021.
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once it is done and hopefully trust will be restored
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Sapare 18/11/2020 05:12
the whole corona, mask, lockdown debate is not that dis-similar. its a debate of liberty vs security, individualism vs state doctrine. But one side sees it as idiots who wants to around coughing on grandma and the other as facist trying to take away their guns and form China 2.0. And at least some in both fields ARE those, which makes it so much more dangerous. But those in the less extreme camp cant even try to find reasonable middle ground because they are bombarded with nonstop partisian talking points telling them that co-operation is killing grandma or summoining china.
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and if you dont feel yourself part of this blob, then thats fine, probably good, though if you don't see the battle lines forming, forming for the last half year, idk, I disagree.
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Crys 18/11/2020 05:13
more like 5 years
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Sapare 18/11/2020 05:13
in the grand scheem, yea, though the escalation was this year.
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 05:13
I'd say since Obama won
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Crys 18/11/2020 05:14
but I do not think it is too late
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Sapare 18/11/2020 05:14
Because too many people have been murdered over the last half and too many people seem to be way too casual with it for them to trully be outside the battlelines.
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 05:14
But that was when I started to pay more attention, and I think it's been happeneing since before I noticed it.
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Sapare 18/11/2020 05:14
I think its just willfull selfillusion more often than not.
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 05:16
It's tempting to ignore it all. I think it all comes down to individuals, and blaming parties is a slippery slope, though parties have done us no favors either. The party leaders ought to be removed, in my opinion.
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But that would mostly only destabilize the right I suppose.
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Crys 18/11/2020 05:17
I think the best way to fight this battle is to help people see that we are all people
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 05:17
I think the best way to humanize everyone is to focus on primary relationships with others, specifically family.
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Sapare 18/11/2020 05:18
As for Trump and fraud thing.Its not going to make either party happy ultimately, at least not trully, I don't see it. If Trump turns the election the left will go to war, I don't doubt that one second. If the Trump doesnt, either he or his supporters will TRY, idk if they got the mass, idk where the moderate republicans will stand but I can tell you that many are terrified, we hear of the great reset, another national lockdown, forced masks. To the right you are all ready to sell them out to the gestapo just keep your own fucking head down, and are you not? The left we are all ready to put in Trump as the defacto dictator of the US for as long as lives, and I think many of them are.
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Flutterpony 18/11/2020 05:18
Gotta go now.
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Sapare 18/11/2020 05:18
How do you ment this complete disparity in world views and perception of reality, both sides think the other is trying to remove them and their families, directly or indirectly. (edited)
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well, good enouh place to end my rant.
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And ultimately I think my biggest concern is that one of these two realities will have to die, overwritten by the ultimate victor, just like the first civil war.(weither or not this leads to one) because two seperate timelines can not continue indefinitly forever. And as the element of honesty and somewhat of a truthkeeper that worries me more than the actual physical costs to people, the idea of seeing history overwriten in real time and to see one side cement "their" truth while the other is erased, idk if I will ever live it down. Its just not fair, our world views are complex and deeply human, not something history should simplify for future(and in a way current) generations ease. (edited)
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Crys 18/11/2020 05:27
by focusing on friends and family, by letting people know that you can disagree with someone without hating them and by leting them know that no one will hurt them or there loved ones just for existing. I think the trick will be calling out and softening extremism on your own side whichever that may be.
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Sapare 18/11/2020 05:29
I am all for calm rational discussion, probably too much for my own safety down the line, I don't like blaming people by association. But it has to be pointed out that I don't believe "that no one will hurt them or their loved ones for just existing." And I think that paints the serious issue here, that really starts eroding people.
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people have been getting hurt just for existing for months. BLM clubbed people to death for exiting on the wrong street at the wrong time. Houses set on fire, so on. And I am sure a leftwinger can point to some right wing attacks against people who simply happened to exist at the wrong place wrong time.
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Crys 18/11/2020 05:30
it is a self fulling prophecy but so to is the inverse
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Sapare 18/11/2020 05:31
yes, and again, I dont advocate for violence from any end. I am not here to stoke fires, just to ring the fire alarm.
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Crys 18/11/2020 05:31
I think fear motivates people more then hate
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Sapare 18/11/2020 05:31
because the reality is that if you have someone loved who was hurt in these riots, or your store looted and burned down. Or someone died of corona(and you blame trump, or someone who doesnt wear masks, or whoever). These are not resenements that will just go puff. (edited)
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we see it in other countries after big wars or civil wars. It often takes a whole generation before such things trully go away.
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the germans of today are not half as bitter toward french as the germans of ww2 and it wasnt because they were an evil generation, its because when your son is blown by by a french artillery shell, self defense or not, you feel resentment, most times for as long as you live. (edited)
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So, I am not offering a solution, though i did when this all started, we should never have let BLM and antifa get so fucking violent, but even then I respect live in the left enough to still voice my genuine concerns, no one should be oblivious to the thing set in motion this year.
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Crys 18/11/2020 05:37
yes violence should have been taken more seriously.
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Sapare 18/11/2020 05:38
thanks for listining to my rant, whatever the future I hope we all stay safe and moral. The individual isnt at fault for the crimes of the mobs.
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Crys 18/11/2020 05:38
but the way to fix it is not more violence but more empathy
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same
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stay safe and always hold the individual accountable for there own actions not for the actions of there brod identifying group
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Crys 18/11/2020 06:12
I hope showing up out of no ware and spawing politics was not TOO off-putting.
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Sapare 18/11/2020 06:13
its what the room is for
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i think you are fine
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Crys 18/11/2020 06:13
oh good
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And ultimately I think my biggest concern is that one of these two realities will have to die, overwritten by the ultimate victor, just like the first civil war.(weither or not this leads to one) because two seperate timelines can not continue indefinitly forever. And as the element of honesty and somewhat of a truthkeeper that worries me more than the actual physical costs to people, the idea of seeing history overwriten in real time and to see one side cement "their" truth while the other is erased, idk if I will ever live it down. Its just not fair, our world views are complex and deeply human, not something history should simplify for future(and in a way current) generations ease. (edited)
Flutterpony 19/11/2020 16:52
What if I reply to a large post? Don't mind my test here.
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hmm.
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Sapare 19/11/2020 23:02
still useful because you can click it to jump to the post
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Flutterpony 20/11/2020 02:20
Yeah. Can that be done with the quote feature? I don't actually see the quote feature any more. Maybe it's not redundant then.
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Crys 20/11/2020 19:33
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why is foalcon right wing?
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I'd think it was libertarian.
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Sapare 20/11/2020 22:58
idk, I have seen some hard autherterian Foalcon supporters. You would think that foalcon is liberterian but its not, its just that that Foalcon is currently anti establishment. But there are Foalcon supporters who would turn around and hunt down their enemies the moment they get into a power. Being against current establishment and being against established power as a concep isnt always the same thing. (edited)
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Fromy my experience of it most Foalcon people were on the "right" side of this, because we know where one step of censorship will lead. This whle thing was about censoring and removing things from derpi to protect SJW feelings. (edited)
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Sapare 20/11/2020 23:07
(that said, the whole thing was more of a meme anyway, idk wher i place myself. OldFag I guess but I am far more liberterian than right) (edited)
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Crys 20/11/2020 23:08
I see. I'd think that someone on the libertarian left side would be against established power as a concept.
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Sapare 20/11/2020 23:11
What does left and right even mean anymore? The left has come so far they horseshoed around. But a light leaning left, or central left, I agree. (edited)
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But thats where I place myself on a normal spectrum, I am pro citiy state, anarchist leaning. I believe a coalition of small governments with mutual defense pacts is the most human middle ground of defense and liberty. Something like the Holy roman empire. (edited)
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but modern left means "one world government ruled by the UN with one legal standard for all people where the police and power can get you anywhere anytime"
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which I mean, it just doesnt strike my interests, sorry.
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globalism is literarly the opposite of city state anarchism.
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So I guess that makes me right wing liberterian.
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Crys 20/11/2020 23:13
that is just what authoritarian is.
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yes you sound liberterian right
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Crys 20/11/2020 23:24
I think regulating big business is necessary for environmental conservation and consumer protection.(left) and any individual freedoms;art,speech,drug use,religion,kinks. need to be kept legal(liberterian)
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unless your kink is dumping heavy metals in the water supply i guess?
23:34
but yes the mainstream left has gone a bit authoritarian for my taste.
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but it is not like the mainstream right is not also too authoritarian for my taste.
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Crys 20/11/2020 23:45
but who gets elected on a platform of "I will do nothing unless I really REALLY need to"?
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Sapare 20/11/2020 23:58
Trump fought twitter and facebook, yes for his own gain, but he is the first western leader in 20 years to really push the idea of anti trust.
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or so it feels to many people like me.
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Which makes him liberterian from where I stand.
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because twitter and facebook are restrictiong art, individual freedoms, speech, so on. (edited)
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its often not so much what the mainstream left is doing as what the mainstream left is staying quiet about.
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the extreme left, SJW, feminists, they are the guys breaking the standards and creating the violence, but the moderate left, the democrats, all they have to do is pretent the fire doesnt exist. And while I hate guilty by association, at some point I have to believe its an intentional ploy to deflect criticism.
00:02
As for polution and enviroment, I think its an important topic but its 2ndary to me to basic human liberties and 2 thousand years of western ideals. I rather have humanity die out living free than live on being a machine hivemind.
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So if the only way to stop climate change is by forcing all of us to become severly restricted individuals who live by the grace of our rulling classes ideas of what is best for humanity, I pass. (edited)
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The topic, as many things, needs more moderation.
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(as in middle ground, not moderators)
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but as many things, moderation is dead when the main conduit of communication is twitter and facebook and they have a horse in this race.
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because they will ban all the "extremes" of one end, but remain the other.
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so the whole conversation continuously tilts further and further into extreme.
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(I wouldnt ban either and let an even forum of discussion perwail, but banning one end is the worst option)
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Crys 21/11/2020 00:13
the problem with trump is he only pushes anti trust if he can gain from doing so. I am glad he did but for anything that dos not benefit him directly we can not count on him.
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Sapare 21/11/2020 00:15
i am not going to fight that, because its likely you are completely correct. But I dont see many, if any, politicans who do anything for free. (edited)
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The difference to me is that while he fights twitter and facebook for his own gain, enemy of my enemy is my friend.
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at least his goals and mine are alinged while the establishment politicans would love to use twitter and facebook to censor 3rd party voices and uphold a decades long monopoly
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so they certainly will never come to my aid.
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Crys 21/11/2020 00:22
a point in his favor is his vary fine people on both side take. as I also dislike guilty by association. if only more left wingers would disown violant acts and individuals.
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the right will call out Nazis
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Sapare 21/11/2020 00:23
the very fine people thing was incredibly nuianced in a time when nuiance was dead, when i found out about it (years later because my friend was saying how he called white nationalist very fine and we looked into it).
00:24
its stuff like that which makes it diffuclt to trully blame Trump for blundrers when its hard to tell at the time what he really said or really meant because you will not get a straight report. Trump said something incredibly good and powerful in that moment.
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and instead it became years of slander.
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Crys 21/11/2020 00:25
I am one of far too few who will vote 3rd party
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Sapare 21/11/2020 00:25
was interesting that 3rd party got so few votes this time.
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i kinda heard a decent bit about jo jorgenson
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but guess it was all for naught
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Crys 21/11/2020 00:26
I voted jo
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but do not tell my family
00:28
I just told them I voted against Trump (edited)
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Sapare 21/11/2020 00:29
no kanye?
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Crys 21/11/2020 00:29
not on my ballet
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I also voted both R and D after researching each candidate
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Sapare 21/11/2020 00:32
way too democratically involved, not very american of you.
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;p
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seriously though, its good to vote to your concions.
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Crys 21/11/2020 00:33
but so easy to just pick a tribe
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its stuff like that which makes it diffuclt to trully blame Trump for blundrers when its hard to tell at the time what he really said or really meant because you will not get a straight report. Trump said something incredibly good and powerful in that moment.
@Sapare it is hard to know what to believe with most stories biased but clearly if you look into it you can find the truth. Blunders do happen but finding witch are blunders and what is spin can take work.
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Crys 21/11/2020 00:49
So if the only way to stop climate change is by forcing all of us to become severly restricted individuals who live by the grace of our rulling classes ideas of what is best for humanity, I pass.
@Sapare I do not think that is the only way. I do blame the 2 party system. With both parties being authoritarian have you considered that we may be the Borg in the future regardless with the only difference being if you can get a Borg abortion or get Borg gay married.
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Sapare 21/11/2020 00:50
If we I am to choose between lesser Borg or Greater Borg I rather not choose at all.
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Crys 21/11/2020 00:53
but not Borg will never win so you need to pick lesser!
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Sapare 21/11/2020 00:54
We are animals first and foremost, history has proven that every empire eventually falls because people can not tie themselves to an abstract ideal.
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As such I actually dont think we are doomed to be Borg. Even if Twitter and facebook and china won today, in due time they will crumble. But I rather not have them win in my lifetime.
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Crys 21/11/2020 00:55
how do I mark joke?
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Sapare 21/11/2020 00:55
I know you were joking.
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I am more of a Blorg guy though.
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Crys 21/11/2020 00:56
good but it would be nice to know
00:58
eventually yes but they can last a millennium.
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I'd rather not wait for system collapse to catch up with hivemind component production.
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Flutterpony 21/11/2020 14:06
I see Biden's motivations as night and day compared with Trump's. Politicians are human and may actually be selfless people. Biden gives me hope we have one such politician in office.
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Trump could have followed up "very fine people" with a strong condemnation of racism, but the fact that he didn't (as far as I know) leads me to believe he either sympathizes with the white nationalist agenda or doesn't care enough to condemn racism.
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I voted 3rd party last election. It was the only time I've done so.
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Sapare 21/11/2020 14:51
Trump responded: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves — and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides." After further questioning from the reporter, and responses from Trump about people who were at the Charlottesville rally to support keeping the Lee statue, the president said, "You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people — and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists — because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists."
14:52
He made his condemnation clear enough while understanding(and being the only one it seems) that our issues come from real social concerns and wounds rather than some neboulous will to evil.
14:52
The right are humans and its time they get treated as such, even when speaking up.
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Flutterpony 21/11/2020 16:15
We're certainly all human, and with a little effort, I do appreciate that Trump had some semblance of respect for their humanity, but I guess I'm mostly numb to anything decent that Trump may or may not have said. (edited)
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I appreciate this compilation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc
Donald J Trump
38 Times President Trump Has Condemned Racism and White Supremacy
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Crys 28/11/2020 02:03
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pRROs8oerU
Stantonia
Oingo Boingo - Insanity
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I love this song but think it is too political to put else ware .
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Crys 29/11/2020 19:12
What do you think of these 2 men?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Molyneux
Stefan Molyneux
Stefan Basil Molyneux (; born September 24, 1966) is a Canadian far-right white nationalist, white supremacist, podcaster and banned YouTuber, who is best known for his promotion of conspiracy theories, scientific racism, eugenics, and racist views. As of September 2020, Molyneux has been permanently banned or permanently suspended from PayPal,...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Farrakhan
Louis Farrakhan
Louis Farrakhan Sr. (; born Louis Eugene Walcott, May 11, 1933), formerly known as Louis X, is an American religious leader and political activist who heads the Nation of Islam (NOI). Earlier in his career, he served as the minister of mosques in Boston and Harlem and was appointed National Representative of the Nation of Islam by former NOI lea...
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TheyCallMeTrinity 30/11/2020 01:56
They're the heads of very similar organizations, though one has a very religious bent (the 1:1 match for the Nation Islam is, I beleive, The Church of Creativity) and the other does not.
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The Shadow 30/11/2020 01:57
i like the religious guy better so far
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Flutterpony 30/11/2020 02:19
I'm not really interested in looking into each, butt he preview blurbs lead me to take issue with only the top one. I'm not familiar with NOI.
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The Shadow 30/11/2020 02:20
it was same here
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i'm not about to click on those links
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Crys 30/11/2020 06:12
The Nation of Islam has a black separatist agenda: Its program states that black people should be able to form their own nation. It also holds that black people should be made exempt from taxation until they have achieved equal justice under the law and that interracial marriage and “race mixing” should be “prohibited.” These views are based on religious precepts created by Elijah Muhammad and preached by Farrakhan. Ideologically, NOI is very distinct from mainstream Islam. Its “theology” – or more appropriately, its mythology – holds that the original humans were black, and that God, who is a black man, created them. White people were not created by God but by the evil black scientist Yakub. Yakub used eugenics to create white people, killing many black babies to do so. Because of the process by which Yakub created the white race, white people are inherently deceitful and murderous. Given these views, it is not surprising that white people are banned from NOI. Other unique traits found in NOI’s ideology include the belief in extraterrestrial lifeforms and UFOs. Farrakhan has written on the topic in “The Divine Destruction of America: Can She Avoid It?,” where he refers to UFOs as “mother wheels.” Farrakhan claims they were very expensive to create and were built in Japan by the “original scientists.” On March 30, 2011, Farrakhan warned that recent uprisings in the Arab world coupled with the tsunami in Japan signified that the divine spaceships waiting to avenge black suffering would soon arrive, adding that “Brother Barack’s” decision to back the rebels opposing Libyan dictator Moammar Qaddafi, whom Farrakhan considers a personal friend and ally, would serve to hasten the UFOs’ arrival.
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SORCE-Southern Poverty Law Center
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Crys 30/11/2020 06:27
a note on the type of organization that the SPLC is. this is a quote form last month "Black separatist groups land on the SPLC’s hate map because they propagate antisemitic, anti-LGBTQ and male supremacist views, not because they oppose a white supremacist power structure."
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Flutterpony 01/12/2020 09:39
Interesting. Thanks for the explanations! I wonder where NOI got their mythology from. The leader in the photo looked white to me. (edited)
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Sapare 03/12/2020 16:27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hE7lGxz66M
Timcast
MASSIVE Protests Erupt, Conservatives Rise Up Against Lockdown As D...
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he sounds so mad
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Cheesy Pony 10/12/2020 09:36
@The Shadow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py4jYjEyYEI
David Pakman Show
SICK SHOCK: Trump TURNED DOWN Vaccine Doses from Pfizer
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The Shadow 10/12/2020 09:37
why?
09:37
what good does that do?
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Cheesy Pony 10/12/2020 09:39
tl;dr political reasons.
09:40
Long answer: In the video David has a theory that it's because the pfizer vaccine wasn't funded by his "Operation Lightspeed" initiative.
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The Shadow 10/12/2020 09:42
so, it might be bc Trump can't claim involvement in it's creation?
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Cheesy Pony 10/12/2020 09:49
Eeyup
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The Shadow 10/12/2020 09:50
that sucks
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Cheesy Pony 10/12/2020 09:59
He sucks
10:00
But he's almost gone
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Sapare 10/12/2020 14:13
He bought 100 million but he didn't want another howmany million, likely because Pfizer was trying to bleed them dry in a panic rush knowing the US can print money at will. Or as the officials stated themselves, because at the time it was unproven and they were not going to pre-purchase 200+ million vacinations. Or of course, Trump is just spinning in his chair trying to decide how to fuck over the american people next while coming up with the next super villain name. Take your stab at reality. (edited)
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He still has 100 million, enough for 50 million people, enough to cover large parts of the vulnerable populations. Anyone else probably shouldnt get the vacination for their own health anyway.
14:15
you be a fool to run out and vaccinate yourself on the first dose if you are not suffering from some serious health defects. There are way too many horror stories realted to rushed vaccinations, that's why it usually takes decades. (edited)
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The Shadow 10/12/2020 14:24
sry, didn't mean to upset
14:24
am well aware i don't have the majority of the pages in this book
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Flutterpony 10/12/2020 18:06
If what I've suspected is true, then Sapare is right and I don't disagree with waiting for the cheaper option for the less vulnerable
18:08
Everything is stacked in favor of big business in the US, not so much the people unfortunately.
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TheyCallMeTrinity 10/12/2020 20:55
I mean, at this point there's the Pfezier, the Astra-Zeneca, the Sputnik-V and the Chinese vaccine around, right?
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Obviously the Chinese vaccine is not for sale, only for free shipment to African countries China is trying to curry favor with. And the Sputnik-V is doubted and probably still wouldn't be sold (aside from Russia, Turkey, Byelorussia and Hungary got it, but I think they recieved it with a few more condictions than "pay for it")
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But I'm pretty sure the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is for sale. So technically it could've been bought as a pig in a poke too.
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Not sure if the US would've wanted to not get as much out of the investment as possible, though.
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Flutterpony 10/12/2020 23:14
Interesting. I hadn't heard of the Oxford-AstraZeneca.
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Cheesy Pony 13/12/2020 20:48
🤔 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3-6vhho7pU
Tipsy Duck
Mann Co.: Employee Training Video [Saxxy 2017]
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Flutterpony 14/12/2020 04:31
In the most wholesome way possible.
04:32
Incest can be wholesome. I'm about 90% sure.
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The Shadow 14/12/2020 04:33
yeah, of course it can
04:34
ask Shakespearicles
04:35
Shakes is like, the best incest author ever
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Flutterpony 14/12/2020 04:49
I'm honestly surprised I haven't dabbled more in writing incest. I've only got a Pinkie/Maud kissing scene to speak of, though there are incest themes in one other.
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Cheesy Pony 14/12/2020 21:47
🤔 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhO6jfHPFQU
Primer
Simulating alternate voting systems
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Crys 14/12/2020 22:02
been a fan sense https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI&list=PLNCHVwtpeBY4mybPkHEnRxSOb7FQ2vF9c&index=7
CGP Grey
Politics in the Animal Kingdom: Single Transferable Vote
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it is an older vid but I found cgp informative (checks date) 6 years ago
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Crys 14/12/2020 22:59
outside of votingthis may be the best
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs
CGP Grey
The Rules for Rulers
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Cheesy Pony 16/12/2020 20:09
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62OWY97n4Gc
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2020 Portrayed By SpongeBob
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Cheesy Pony 17/12/2020 09:50
Typical republican/conservative move right there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkRWAHebnwM
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Latest Covid Relief Bill Inflicts Massive Harm On Working Class Ame...
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Flutterpony 17/12/2020 12:20
I know the tendency of these headlines to exaggerate, and I doubt it's so clear cut, but for what it's worth I'll take poverty and the preservation of freedom over wealth and captivity. We're already part way there, and I think it's corporate America's fault as much as government's.
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Cheesy Pony 18/12/2020 18:01
He does go into detail about what is planned to go into the bill.
18:01
And in regards to that, I think the title is understating.
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Cheesy Pony 18/12/2020 18:10
1. shields companies from all covid related actions retroactively for at least one year 2. Covid related lawsuits get forced into federal courts 3. Restrict enforcement of laws including the fair labour act (1938), occupation safety and health act (1970), civil rights act (1964) 4. Attorney general is allowed to deem covid-related lawsuits from workers, customers, and attorneys as meritless 5. And then file civil actions against them as retribution with possible fines up to $50,000
18:12
some new news since then is that it might include a $600 dollars for citizens.
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Out of something like a few billions of dollars total allocated to the bill. (edited)
18:12
The rest goes to corporations.
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Flutterpony 18/12/2020 23:10
Doesn't seem likely to succeed, but I thought the same of Trump
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Sapare 23/12/2020 21:48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWnqSlBSDUA At least he tries.
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Flutterpony 24/12/2020 01:30
If reliable, this is good news I think.
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TheyCallMeTrinity 24/12/2020 11:39
I mean, good on him realizing Congress was being stupid with proposing 600$ as a stimulus check, but I was pretty sure he did oppose a similar proposal not even a month ago
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Sapare 24/12/2020 23:12
He never opposed on the grounds of giving people aid, he has since the start fought to prevent the gov from using this as an excuse to enrich and empower itself. He opposed it today on the same ground he did in the past, the gov is handing out money to everyone else but those who actually need it most. But reality devides are so far...
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I mean, everyone above talks like this is some conservative/republican move. Which seems weird being the republicans and independents are the ONLY people to vote against it. A minority of them, which is why it past, but certainly a much larger group than the democrats.
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So, the bill is bad and the democrats are the ones pushing it but its the republicans who are to blame for bad bill. But the good bills the democrats and republicans pushed earlier this year that Pelosi refused to even listen to(by that caucus of centrist specifically designed to get a bi-partisian bill passed) is somehow Trump's fault it did not pass. (edited)
23:15
I don't think a single relief bill(till this one) ever saw his table anyway, though i might be wrong. (edited)
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The democrats are playing you all, or we are living in alternative dimensions. (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 31/12/2020 15:31
He could have opposed it earlier during negotiations.
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But he didn't.
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Only reason he's calling for 2k at all, which many Democrats have been for a while, is because it's popular. Edit: And also he has a grudge against Mitch, and the republican party; basically anyone who recognises Biden's victory, and this is his way of getting revenge on them. He also veto'd their military spending bill. Then also refused to sign anything until Sunday, one day after the previous aide expired forcing anyone who was on it to have to register again. (edited)
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It's because he knows people like get money and will jump any chance he can get to put his name on those checks.
15:33
You've basically fallen for his ruse hook, line, and sinker.
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I mean, everyone above talks like this is some conservative/republican move. Which seems weird being the republicans and independents are the ONLY people to vote against it
You seem to omit why they voted against it. Namely, because according to Mitch McConnell $600 is "too much". (edited)
15:35
All the worst parts of the bill were added by republicans. (edited)
15:37
And most of what Trump objected to wasn't even part of that bill. It was in the omnibus spending bill that's being voted on at the same time.
15:38
And every single thing he objected to were points pushed for by his own team.
15:39
I won't deny that both parties are terrible or claim that either of them are perfect.
15:40
But right now Democrats are not the ones fighting to tear down the American Constitution. (edited)
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Flutterpony 31/12/2020 16:32
I'll gladly allow anyone the benefit of the doubt that a good deed done without profit to themselves is done with genuinely good intentions.
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Flutterpony 31/12/2020 17:56
I'm watching a new Corey Carson episode on Netflix where Corey is scared of coming clean about an unintended crime. It calls to mind a conversation I read about ethics defining law vs. law defining ethics. Unethical laws clearly cause harm. Amoral laws might cause harm, but I hadn't considered that even good ethical laws might cause harm. I guess that's a point in favor of anarchism next to the myriad of points against.
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Cheesy Pony 04/01/2021 19:42
https://www.thepetitionsite.com/558/856/216/ (edited)
Sign Petition: Remove the 126 House Republicans who signed on to th...
In the last big gasp for overturning the election results, 126 House Republicans, including Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, signed (69063 signatures on petition)
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Sapare 04/01/2021 19:55
"Like the lawsuits before it, this attempt provided zero evidence of widespread voter fraud. Which is why the Supreme Court, including those justices appointed by Trump, rejected the lawsuit unequivocally." The suit had nothing to do with voter fraud and everything to do with the state not upholding its own constitution, causing other states to worry about the validity of law and institutions. It was also dismissed on grounds of injury, not any merit of validity.
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Be my guest to witchhunt people, but know why you are doing it.
19:56
You all gunning for civil war anyway, and very few have not played their part in causing it. (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 06/01/2021 07:14
Well, they also rejected it because Texas doesn't have any right to interfere with other state's elections.
07:14
The lawsuit is, by definition, unconstitutional.
07:16
everything to do with the state not upholding its own constitution
How exactly are the states "not upholding the constitution"? Do you mean by refusing to bend to Trump's threats and accusations of voter fraud after 60+ lawsuits have failed to produce any evidence?
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Mind you, they did do multiple recounts.
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Every time the result is the same.
07:17
Trump lost.
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There was no fraud.
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Closest things to fraud anyone has found are witness statements from unhinged trump supporters that, when questioned, fall apart at the seams, and instances where the person committing fraud was doing it to vote for Trump.
07:19
The only state here that's failing to "uphold the constitution" is Texas.
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causing other states to worry about the validity of law and institutions.
The only person calling the election into question, and thus "causing others to question the validity of law and institution" is Donald Trump. It's not even unexpected. He said multiple times over the years that he wouldn't accept the result of the election. He didn't even accept the results of the election that he won in 2016.
07:23
Literally everyone has come out to say there is no fraud including several of Trump's own appointees.
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State leadership, state courts, federal courts, the supreme court, the GOP leader to name just a few.
07:25
The votes were recounted and certified, then the electors voted and that vote is about to be certified.
07:25
There is literally nothing he can do to change anything now.
07:27
Note also that their plan to fillybust today and pressure pence to throw out the elector's votes will also go nowhere.
07:28
Fillybusting can only delay it. They will never get a majority vote to call alinto question the electors.
07:28
And Pence doesn't have any authority in this process.
07:29
His job is to open the envelope and read what congress gives him.
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Cheesy Pony 06/01/2021 11:03
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EJ2ax4sxlE
Brian Tyler Cohen
Georgia Secretary of State SINKS Trump with brutal tactic
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Flutterpony 06/01/2021 11:48
Neat 📸
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Flutterpony 06/01/2021 12:03
I do have sympathy for Trump and his supporters, but I've already tried giving Trump the benefit of the doubt, and all that has done is lead me back to the roots of why Trump was never suitable to be in a position of power at all, never mind as a politician. (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 06/01/2021 15:21
Oh yeah, the thing I forgot to put here https://twitter.com/APAGunion/status/1346370951399632897?s=20
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Bill that would have banned porn died a painful death.
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Sapare 06/01/2021 20:47
Trumps biggest mistake was not pardoning assange and snowden. I still think you are all deeply wrong about him, but it effectively breaks my reasons for really caring to support him. I still think civil war will come, with or without him, and I know who's side I am against, but I am not really "for" Trump at this point, he seems to be stringing us along.
20:48
I think he means genuine well, but he too often takes the path of least resistance rather then finding the right solution and it ultimately makes him a liablity.
20:49
he just as likely toss someone under the buss because he like that solution in the moment, rather then fostering real long-term solutions. Maybe he had to, everything was stacked against him and he was fighting the biggest institution in the world, and he made amazing accomplishments, but at some point I just have to concede that our goals don't seem to line up.
20:53
he wants a healthy strong america, but not mine kind of america, not the kind that values individual free speech and liberty above corporate stability. Thats my take on it at least, atm, maybe things change before he leaves.
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Cheesy Pony 06/01/2021 21:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWpnHADKEb8
David Pakman Show
LIVE: 2020 Electoral Vote Trump vs Biden Official Count
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Trump supporters have overrun the capitol.
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TheyCallMeTrinity 07/01/2021 01:05
And now they've been kicked out of it.
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Flutterpony 07/01/2021 16:27
Georgia has flipped the house majority and Mitch is no longer majority leader. This means things can pass and get done (edited)
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Mitch took every advantage he could of being the majority leader with a president on his side. He said he would retire if he was no longer majority leader but that may come a term late if he accepts that his voters won him his office again. (edited)
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Sapare 08/01/2021 11:44
So, one thing i was thinking on while waking up in canada they had an anti lockdown rally and some singer who usually sings for big sports events sang at it. in response he was barred from any future sports events and the media and people all flamed him. and here I sit thinking "And Blitzchung?" are people all so fucking dishonest and fucking delusional that they make an outrage about china banning a guy for saying "revolution of our age". but a man sings at an event you dont politically agree with off with his fucking head? (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 08/01/2021 13:36
The difference here is that Blitzchung was ultimately within his rights, whilst supporting an anti-lockdown sentiment may ultimately lead to more people dying.
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Burger 08/01/2021 13:44
And supporting an anti CCP movement may ultimately lead to more people dying too
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Sapare 08/01/2021 14:05
CCP certainly would think so. And by extension all their allies, including Blizzard and the other corporations. Such a strange take to me. (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 08/01/2021 20:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8pZfwCTHzg
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Sapare
So, one thing i was thinking on while waking up in canada they had an anti lockdown rally and some singer who usually sings for big sports events sang at it. in response he was barred from any future sports events and the media and people all flamed him. and here I sit thinking "And Blitzchung?" are people all so fucking dishonest and fucking delusional that they make an outrage about china banning a guy for saying "revolution of our age". but a man sings at an event you dont politically agree with off with his fucking head? (edited)
TheyCallMeTrinity 08/01/2021 23:18
Depends on who you ask. Blitzchung did say he expected to be banned, as his point was to spread the message... arguably, not banning him would've made his declaration pass unnoticed, thus defeating the purpose. The anti-lockdown singer probably had the same reasoning about it too. Whether you agree with the idea or not, that doesn't matter, he got his wish.
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Flutterpony 09/01/2021 14:22
Twitter's owners are cowards to have waited this long, imo, but then I'm unlikely to ever be cold blooded enough to build a corporation quite so popular.
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I have some deep seated mistrust of corporations, probably because I've wished I could be loyal to one at all with any sort of reward like ethical treatment or job security. (edited)
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The Shadow 09/01/2021 18:38
Ethical treatment shouldn't have to be a reward
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Flutterpony 09/01/2021 23:45
Yeah, my last company was hip and totally up and coming, but they turned out meh ethically.
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In my particular case unethical, though what they did was standard practice, ie. underpaying and overworking.
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Cheesy Pony 11/01/2021 10:07
*standard practice in America
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Around here anyone who dares to underpay, even with a sane amount of work, would be facing some serious pushback and strikes from union officials. (edited)
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(Hi from Africa, btw)
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Flutterpony 11/01/2021 23:09
Unions are weak shells of what they once were out here, and my state has "right to work" laws which basically means that a company can terminate your employment for sneezing wrong in exchange for I don't know what rights. On the bright side, temp agencies will get you low paying jobs here in a heartbeat with only a tiny bit of effort on your part, and despite being low paying, my current and last position manage to support my family as long our landlord doesn't charge us the going rate for rent. Basically, I'm lucky because I enjoy the ease of a low paying job and get free time during work without the drawback of having rent too high for my position, but the balance here is precarious unfortunately, and i could wind up unstable pretty quick. I don't know how others manage, but here I am anyway.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI_RlkKAogE&list=PLq374d9KM561Xi9Dl6j6JICDYTbMrdrIF&index=33
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Crys 12/01/2021 07:41
I am feeling deep fear, dread, sadness and just a bit of anger. This has been bad.
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I fully disavow the riot. I did not want trump in power. I do not condone political violence of any kind.
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But
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I am now more worried about the new total control of the authoritarian left. They are angry, have all the power and an excuse to use it.
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This is a bad time to be a political rival or am unpopular minority.
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The propagandist arm of private media and social platforms not to mention the house acted as a check on Trump.
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Crys 12/01/2021 08:11
Now with this alliance between the establishment media, Big tec and the two main branches of government. Who can and will stop power grabs and protect the rights of people who are unpopular with the ruling party?
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Flutterpony 12/01/2021 15:37
The incoming president is centrist. I'm all the way on board with Biden personally. I liked him ever since 12 years ago when I learned of him. (edited)
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Coincidentally, I've been disenchanted by Trump for at least that long as well. (edited)
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Flutterpony 12/01/2021 16:30
I liked Biden so much that I had mixed feelings voting against Obama twice.
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Flutterpony 12/01/2021 18:12
https://ourlovefrontier.wordpress.com/2021/01/12/zaid-jilani-why-deplatforming-wont-lead-to-less-radicalization/
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Date: January 12, 2021 01) LINK “Journalist, Zaid Jilani, discusses the removal of President Trump from numerous social media sites, as well as the conservative app, Parler, going offline.&#8…
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Great video in favor of protected speech on big tech platforms. (edited)
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TheyCallMeTrinity 12/01/2021 19:42
The answer to problems on Big Tech platforms is to make a government-owned platform. I'm not a fan of Twitter and Facebook (nor of "faithless companies" for that matter), but it's unfair to treat social media platforms from Big Tech as both products to be sold/propagated, and utilities necessary for the right to free speech in the current era.
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It's unthinkable to shut them down completely. And I don't know if the US government could realistically manage to seize everything Facebook and Twittwer own.
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The Shadow 12/01/2021 19:44
Would anyone use a gov-platform though? (edited)
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TheyCallMeTrinity 12/01/2021 19:45
But creating a platform that is free, accessible to every citizen (presumably +18 because the point would be politics) and essentially regulated by a branch of the police? Changes a fuckton.
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Would anyone use a gov-platform though? (edited)
TheyCallMeTrinity 12/01/2021 19:48
It really depends on how it's presented and whom it is. Sure, current conspiracy theorists of either stripe would never in a milion years join on principle, but if there was a show of multi-partisan support and a show of goodwill in censoring only what's literally illegal... then I assume many more would.
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They definitely could have other options, but if the alternative is to bend to the rules of private companies, I'd assume many would prefer it.
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Flutterpony 12/01/2021 20:06
That could be great, but it does seem unlikely. I'd support heavy taxation of big tech platforms in order to build an impartial government-supported free-speech platform. Big tech could save themselves from taxation by supporting free speech standards themselves.
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Flutterpony
I liked Biden so much that I had mixed feelings voting against Obama twice.
Crys 12/01/2021 22:04
You voted against him both times? Odd he just oozes charisma he was the first person I voted for the first time. After his first term the mask came off and I had to go 3rd party. I learned a lot from him.
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Flutterpony 12/01/2021 22:09
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It really depends on how it's presented and whom it is. Sure, current conspiracy theorists of either stripe would never in a milion years join on principle, but if there was a show of multi-partisan support and a show of goodwill in censoring only what's literally illegal... then I assume many more would.
Crys 12/01/2021 22:10
That may be may work as long as you want the gov to see all your talk. It may be better then what we have now.
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But creating a platform that is free, accessible to every citizen (presumably +18 because the point would be politics) and essentially regulated by a branch of the police? Changes a fuckton.
Crys 12/01/2021 22:12
Would it be politics only?
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Crys 12/01/2021 22:15
How did you know that he was such a civil rights violating war hawk?
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The Shadow 12/01/2021 22:17
I hope that'd it’d have like, different ‘rooms’ for different states or counties
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Maybe even large cities?
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Too large an area, nobody would be able to actually discuss anything
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Have you ever tried to participate in a live chat on a popular YouTube video? No convos available
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Crys
How did you know that he was such a civil rights violating war hawk?
Flutterpony 12/01/2021 22:27
Oh that was easy. I saw Trump's behavior on TV. His show's premise was firing people for fun. He made no expression of remorse or sympathy, yet it was supposed to be reality television.
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Crys 12/01/2021 22:27
Maybe it can have smaller rooms by population. Then once some one has a good point they can act as a representative to a room up a level like a state then up again to the country. like some kind of idea democracy?
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Flutterpony 12/01/2021 22:27
Or were you asking about Obama?
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Crys 12/01/2021 22:28
Obama
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I never voted for trump
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Flutterpony 12/01/2021 22:29
Obama was trickier, though I never considered him a violator of human rights. I voted against him due to his liberal stances on certain things and the likelihood I felt he'd steer the country toward greater federal control, which I oppose generally.
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Crys 12/01/2021 22:30
he was change I can believe in but then was just bush 3.0
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The Shadow 12/01/2021 22:31
No representative, makes political campaigns too likely
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I think it’d be better to have there be a time limit to how long you can be in the higher level servers, maybe 2 weeks? And banned by majority vote, no one person able to ban you
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Crys 12/01/2021 22:37
He started more wars he built the detention centers on the borders that trump got in trouble for and did not stop the domestic spying and black site torture that he was voted in to stop.
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What liberal stances? You were right about the federal control.
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I think it’d be better to have there be a time limit to how long you can be in the higher level servers, maybe 2 weeks? And banned by majority vote, no one person able to ban you
Crys 12/01/2021 22:42
That makes sense.
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Flutterpony 13/01/2021 00:33
Way back before Obama's first campaign, I only vaguely remember some conflict with conservatism. I might even be misremembering, I want to say it might have been connected to abortion clinics which I've generally changed my opnion on since.
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Crys 15/01/2021 01:17
somebody here likes tim right? (edited)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKob8saNgWM
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all 3 of them bring up good points in this one. (edited)
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Sapare 15/01/2021 01:22
I watch him
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understanding a moderate is needed if we ever want to negotiate again.
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Crys 15/01/2021 01:26
we will see how that works
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It is hard to negotiate if you can not speak.
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Sapare 15/01/2021 01:52
Don't agree with them blaming Trump for his faulty cabinate. Yes he holds some blame, as he has some choice in who to pick, but just look at modern political landscape and pretend you would know who to pick. Pretty rich.
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Reminder that Ceaser was stabbed to death by his closest allies, including his adopted son. Pretty absurd to put forward the expectation for Trump to be able to form a stable and reliable(and competent) government coalition in a completely hostile environment. (edited)
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Its why I believe his 2nd term would have been incredibly sucessful, he was starting in the last year to show he had gained real footing and figured out his positions.
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He was pushing China to his knees, creating peace in the middle east, calming North Korea.
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Addressing the corporate takeover of politics, and reminding the whole west that we are powerful nations with proud and glamerous histories to live up to.
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But instead we are here today, where that will take us
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Cheesy Pony 22/01/2021 09:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqgMFOaVW9I
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Flutterpony 22/01/2021 12:48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_hPISebgs4
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Arnold Schwarzenegger has a message to internet commenters
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Schwarzenegger is even more likable than I remember.
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Flutterpony 22/01/2021 13:06
@Cheesy Pony I'll say in response to the Fox news character talking about Biden's disregard for unity that the executive orders Biden has signed are not for unity with Trump's administration (which at every turn pushed for division. His orders are for the sake of unity among Americans and necessary because of Trump.
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Cheesy Pony 22/01/2021 13:11
@Flutterpony I absolutely agree. Fox is just doing what they've always done, preaching to their crazed right-wing base.
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Flutterpony 22/01/2021 13:13
Eeyup. I appreciate that Trump and Fox eventually turned on each other.
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Gives me a little hope for those staunch followers.
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Cheesy Pony 22/01/2021 13:14
And T**** announced he's going to form his own right-wing party, which I hope he does. All that's going to do is split the conservative vote and guarantee Democrats more victories. (edited)
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Flutterpony 22/01/2021 13:16
Hmm. I imagine it's unavoidable if he has the will to. What I see happening is that party not dividing the vote, but giving him more of a platform to enter politics himself.
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Cheesy Pony 22/01/2021 13:23
Video is a two-part format. First half is the video he's referencing, second half is his commentary. I highly recommend staying for the commentary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0tGMaebx7U
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Sadie 22/01/2021 13:29
the only good thing i see out of Biden is the returning of unions
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Flutterpony 22/01/2021 13:49
I've been meaning to actually watch the address. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwBcTCmEOAU
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Joe Biden’s Full 2021 Inaugural Address | WSJ
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Here I go
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Flutterpony 22/01/2021 14:07
Extraordinary.
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Sapare 22/01/2021 22:24
So, a domestic war is unity?
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Sapare 22/01/2021 22:35
Also, you are in favor of teaching critical race theory?
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that is one of the core orders he overturned. There is not going to be any unity if you believe your fellow citizens are inherently racist and they need to take the whip to themselves to amend for their sins of being born white. So i am not sure what your desired outcome is, it seems to self conflict. (edited)
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Flutterpony 22/01/2021 23:20
I'm not the one calling for a war. Biden certainly isn't either. He's said let us hear each other and, if necessary, peacably disagree, but remain united.
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Burger 23/01/2021 09:56
Well it will be a case of disagree, but do as we say or else be branded. And with him overturning rules to now allow banks to be partisan, they can close your account and take all your money, just for having the wrong political opinion
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Flutterpony 23/01/2021 15:14
That sounds like an exaggeration.
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The Shadow 23/01/2021 21:22
Just in case, let's watch for how our banks respond to it
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I don't intend to tell my bank my political ideas anyway
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Crys 23/01/2021 21:27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9iZ515_4vc
America Uncovered
Fighting Domestic Terrorism: A New War on Terror? | America Uncovered
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this seems fair
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Crys 23/01/2021 21:39
It made Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib look good.
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It gives me hope
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Sapare 24/01/2021 01:40
to be fair, didnt AOC also pretend to be against the horrible relief package that was signed in december but then vote in lockstep too.
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she also voted for new term of pelosi. I think AoC is all talk and 0 spine. So I doub't she wouldnt vote in favor of a bill if push came to shove.
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Crys 24/01/2021 01:43
Yes but voting in lockstep is what a 2 party system is all about.
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Sapare 24/01/2021 01:46
then her complaint is worthless.
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If she won't actually break from party lines its just theater.
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So I wouldn't start trusting your gov just because some of them signed some paper that you can wipe your arse with.
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sorry to be downer, but we seen it too much. Say one thing, do the opposite. (edited)
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Crys 24/01/2021 01:47
If she can convince others not to before it becomes party policy it can be stopped without her needing to go against the herd.
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If however it becomes party policy it will be voted on along party lines.
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Sadie 24/01/2021 05:18
ether way she will not be able to do that most people in the house are clearly against her ideas
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Cheesy Pony 24/01/2021 12:19
True or False: This is an excerpt of lore from Cyberpunk 2077
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Sadie 24/01/2021 12:29
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Cheesy Pony 24/01/2021 12:55
True or False? (edited)
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Sadie 24/01/2021 13:00
for cyberpunk or irl
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Cheesy Pony 24/01/2021 13:03
Just say whether the statement is true or false.
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Do you think it's Cyberpunk or not
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smh
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Sadie 24/01/2021 13:03
no not cyberpunk
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Cheesy Pony 24/01/2021 13:03
Then you're right.
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It's from an entirety different capitalist dystopia.
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Sadie 24/01/2021 13:04
i know i’m right
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Cheesy Pony 24/01/2021 13:04
https://www.mintpressnews.com/harvesting-blood-americas-poor-late-stage-capitalism/263175/
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Harvesting the Blood of America's Poor: The Latest Stage of Capitalism
Blood has become big business in the United States and there is no shortage of corporations ready to exploit America's most vulnerable populations in order to get a piece of the pie.
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Sadie 24/01/2021 13:05
its just capitalism working like it’s supposed to
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Cheesy Pony 24/01/2021 13:05
Hence why capitalism shouldn't be left to run unchecked.
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Because then you end up with shit like this happening
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If you read the article it also talks about how the pharmacies are specifically positioned in low income neighborhoods to prey on the poorest and most desperate.
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The Shadow 24/01/2021 15:05
Not in Olympia
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It's out in Hawk's Prairie, inconvenient for public transport users Alcohol isn't a good idea, it can cause complications and they might turn you away (edited)
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It also requires proof of address
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Like, not just any old mail
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I had to bring in my actual lease, and I still had to do a physical
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You also get played 20, 70 outside of promotional stuff
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$90/week isn't bad for a gal who can't keep a job
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Unless they're super busy, you spend about 2hrs inside
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15min.-ish before they test your protein and iron levels(a bunch of other stuff too). And yeah, the scale is right there
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And yes, there's weight brackets
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Your stats are private, though
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Then up to 15min. in the chair before they stick you
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And they have to put on fresh gloves after handling any needles or other education-related equipment
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Also after breaks and lunch
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They are understaffed a bunch, but that causes them to be slower, not less clean
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If you're well hydrated, it's under an hour. Though I once sat there for almost 90 min. on a day that I had barely even gotten in on (edited)
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Then it's another wait for them to come take the needle out
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And the blood returning is fine, it barely cools enough to notice
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The anticoagulant is much more obvious, a bit like citrus in the back of my throat. It's usually best I eat a pastry on my way in bc my stomach doesn't like it(nothing new, my tummy doesn't like a lot of things)
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The only thing cold is the saline at the end, to help you rehydrate
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It makes you cold, and you jacket doesn't help. But it'll be warm within minutes, and and they give you water and goldfish on your first 3 visits
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After those 3, you're expected to be taking care of the symptoms yourself
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It was months before I managed to convince them not to make me sit down on one of the couches after, all bc I got dizzy and tripped down the 2dozen steps outside their front door(20ft-ish away) on my first visit
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I had a friend who got rejected bc he was on E-blocker. I think it had something to do with the unstable hormones?
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The air is chilly for the medical equipment, yes
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But nothing a jacket can't fix
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And I personally like it that way
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My cuff works as a great squeeze ball
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Clench and unclench your needle arm's fist as much as you can when it's sucking to help it along
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Do it too slow, and the machine complains. A staff person has to come over and tell it you're fine and to continue, thus slowing down your donation
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Too many of these stops, and you may be bandaged early, but still paid
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While yes, it is twice a week,
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There has to be at least a day between $20 and $70, and if the $20 was on Saturday you'll not get a 70
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You must notify them of any and all pain or other issue (edited)
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Crys 24/01/2021 18:13
wow glad to know how selling blood works
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The Shadow 24/01/2021 18:51
Sry, was very very sleepy and that article triggered me aittle
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Crys 24/01/2021 19:04
It is fine and informative.
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I am glad some one is giving blood. It saves lives.
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I have no problem with people getting money for doing something good.
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The Shadow 24/01/2021 19:10
I can't keep a job bc my mental health, so plasma it is
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I like to call it "living off my blood"
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Crys 24/01/2021 19:13
oh yes, mental health can make it hard.
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I know a lot of people who have that problem.
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Hence why capitalism shouldn't be left to run unchecked.
Crys 24/01/2021 19:21
And yet capitalism is what we have. How would taking away the option from low income neighborhoods help anyone? Less blood for the dying and less money for the poor?
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I think some reforms to make people less poor and desperate is a good idea but why start here?
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The Shadow 24/01/2021 19:27
Yeah, don't start with the medical vampires
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Cheesy Pony 24/01/2021 19:42
I'm not necessarily saying get rid of it (though it would be nice). I'm more making a commentary on just how fucked up things are in the US that both people are that desperate, and that corporations are allowed to exploit people to that extent.
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Buying and selling blood is, in fact, illegal in many other countries.
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We typically have blood drives where people are allowed to donate blood.
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But you can never exchange it for money, for numerous ethical reasons.
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There's also the matter that people who are stuck having to sell blood to survive are facing serious, maybe even life threatening, health complications because of it. (edited)
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And of course this plasma doesn't all go to medial uses. Though a lot does: the article makes it clear most of the stuff is exported to Europe.
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It's also used as a kind of cosmetic thing for wealthy people.
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The Shadow 24/01/2021 20:07
It's not getting "paid"
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Its "compensation", given through a debit card
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Cheesy Pony 24/01/2021 20:25
A rose by any other name.
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They're giving blood in exchange for money.
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They're being paid.
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The Shadow 24/01/2021 21:14
Am not
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That would involve min. wage and scheduled hours
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These are appointments and $90/a week
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At maximum outside of a promotion, it's $90
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You can even walk in the door and make your appointment after arrival, guaranteeing a lack of tardiness
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And of course this plasma doesn't all go to medial uses. Though a lot does: the article makes it clear most of the stuff is exported to Europe.
Crys 24/01/2021 23:39
I am guessing many of the places it is illegal are in Europe?
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Cheesy Pony
It's also used as a kind of cosmetic thing for wealthy people.
Crys 24/01/2021 23:40
That is icky.
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How it is used makes more of a difference to me morality.
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as long as the people giving are doing so voluntarily.
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cheating and (I do not even know what that blood of young people is. sounds like some Q-annon stuff to me) is not a good use.
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There's also the matter that people who are stuck having to sell blood to survive are facing serious, maybe even life threatening, health complications because of it. (edited)
Crys 24/01/2021 23:52
If doing so that often is causing serious health complications it may make sense to make people wait longer between appointments.
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The Shadow 24/01/2021 23:55
What I'm saying is that they treat donors well, and that they are careful about what blood is taken
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Cheesy Pony
I'm not necessarily saying get rid of it (though it would be nice). I'm more making a commentary on just how fucked up things are in the US that both people are that desperate, and that corporations are allowed to exploit people to that extent.
Crys 24/01/2021 23:55
It would be nice if no one was that desperate. Do you have a way to make no one desperate?
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What I'm saying is that they treat donors well, and that they are careful about what blood is taken
Crys 24/01/2021 23:56
I am glad for that.
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The Shadow 24/01/2021 23:57
They send a vial of blood to a separate facility every 6 months for deeper testing to ensure that you aren't donating when you shouldn't
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I think it's like a pint?
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Not plasma, they're taking the whole blood to give it a full "exam"
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And you can easily get told you can't donate today bc your blood wasn't good enough today, or bc you showed a red flag unhealthy mental state(that could endanger yourself or somebody else in the building)
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To be clear, they consider you pulling out your own needle to be endangering
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Crys 25/01/2021 00:05
I am glad it works that way in Olympia? as in the state capital of Washington? Maybe it is not as good in other states.
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If not at least we have a good model to implement elsewhere.
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The Shadow 25/01/2021 02:48
Yeah, you're right
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WA isn't run well, and is expensive to live in
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But it also has good homeless youth support programs
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And the businesses here are trying harder than the government to help, as far as most areas of life
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Flutterpony 25/01/2021 06:28
A lot of students I knew donated plasma.
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I figure it's easier to replenish.
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Probably not as detrimental to draw
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I've done it as well for the money when needed, but for blood, I only donate without compensation.
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unless you count the juice.
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Red Cross seems honorable.
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The Shadow 25/01/2021 06:43
They are
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They helped my grandmother when her house burnt down
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But yeah, donating plasma is easy(with a good diet) and safe(with a little basic medical safety)
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Flutterpony 25/01/2021 14:22
https://ourlovefrontier.wordpress.com/2021/01/22/cnn-panels-outrageous-call-to-shut-down-youtube-news/
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CNN Panel’s OUTRAGEOUS Call To Shut Down YouTube News…
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Crys 26/01/2021 00:29
I have never seen Jimmy before but from that I think he knows what it up.
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Sadie 26/01/2021 00:49
i’m not in favor of shutting down news but we do have a problem with misinformation (edited)
00:50
maybe 3rd party fact checker commission could possibly role out a standard on how news is processed and presented (edited)
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Sapare 26/01/2021 04:13
misinformation is often relative, so I would never endorse a 3rd party to determine what is misinformation. Critical thinking is a baseline responsibility of all living beings. Inability to do so is a personal issue. (edited)
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Sadie 26/01/2021 04:16
i do think if its blatant false information it should be taken down
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Flutterpony 26/01/2021 06:13
I believe there should be no (legal) regulation of any kind against legal speech, but it's not as simple as it was before the information age. More than ever, money amplifies voice and necessarily filters out what doesn't serve its best interests. (edited)
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Sadie 26/01/2021 06:17
do u know what free speech is right
06:21
it gives you the ability to disagree freely to criticize ur government it has nothing to do about businesses with tos there not part of the government  (edited)
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Burger 26/01/2021 10:10
And that is becoming the big problem, because these companies are now the ones who can control speech. More so in an age where the only "public space" you can legally gather in is on one of these sites
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Sadie 26/01/2021 11:45
thats why there needs to be alternatives but that would never happen under capitalism
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Sapare 26/01/2021 16:48
No one with any moral investment in the concepts of freedom of speech thinks it should be limited to the government. Just take a second to consider the implication of taking any other anti-discrimination laws and applying your standard to it.
16:49
I hope I don't have to actually paint out the examples here...
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Flutterpony 26/01/2021 18:17
@Sapare @Burger agreed
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@Sadie I think pure capitalism is better than a purely state-run economy since capitalism at least feigns giving people power and property until or unless class inequality neglects the rights of the poor. I believe a mix with built-in checks and balances is far better. I'd prefer if the state and corporations competed more, similar to the USPS and other delivery services.
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Sadie 26/01/2021 18:32
im in favor of giving the people the means of production pushing for more democracy in the work place
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Flutterpony 26/01/2021 19:27
That'd be nifty, but also very tricky since we all specialize in things in order to operate well.
19:27
Finally finished this video. Yes. Excruciating. I'm tempted to refer to Trump as the earwig president from now on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=amBAOAPLj-M (edited)
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Orange Man Indeed Bad: 100 Years of Trump - SOME MORE NEWS
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Now I feel like stress eating.
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im in favor of giving the people the means of production pushing for more democracy in the work place
Flutterpony 26/01/2021 19:33
Thinking more about that, I think the people could at least maybe vote on who is their corproate overlord, but I see it just becoming a microcosm of the mess that is our current political system. I think the people should be allowed to choose to work and own their businesses independently.
19:35
When a business gets to a certain size, it could maybe be run not by a panel of the wealthy who've ridden its growth, but by its employees.
19:35
Smaller businesses should remain independent, still.
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I'm sure this idea would need fleshing out. As it stands, I only prefer to focus on what we can do right now, but wow does voting feel useless.
19:38
There have to be better ways to be heard, and I'd guess attending town halls, etc. is one.
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Anyway, competition between state and corporations should hypothetically help a lot to weed out the unjust.
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Though, really, I still saw a pretty rough situation at USPS when i worked there.
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Burger 26/01/2021 22:53
One way you could easy get businesses to be run for the people who work there would be to get rid of stocks and share
22:55
The reason companies change and do everything they can to nickel and dime everyone and everything is because a business would be about making enough money for the owner to live and thrive with and earning wouldn't be so bad if they only made the same amount of profit each year
22:57
When a company has shareholders, the owner is no longer the owner and must answer to the stock holder board. His job is to make their investment worth while by making more profit that year then the previous year. You can't have a company make the same amount of profit as it did last year, that's not good enough for them.
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If you made $100,000 dollars of profit last year, you need to double it this year. This means the company has to do everything possible to hit that target, either by doing dodgy acts or treating its staff worse by making them do more for the same amount of money
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Sadie 27/01/2021 00:07
when the employees run the Business called the worker co-op (edited)
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theres planty of examples of them working and being more effective
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its works from the bottom up u vote people into postions and u can vote them out if there abusing it (edited)
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The Shadow 27/01/2021 01:07
Is that what a co-op is?
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Sadie 27/01/2021 01:11
yes
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that is a worker co op i heavily advocate for it
01:18
workers pick there wages democratically as well
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Flutterpony 27/01/2021 02:52
Yeah. I like the sound of of voluntary co-ops. It'd be interesting to see if they run into any difficulties, especially at very large sizes.
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Sadie 27/01/2021 03:27
one of the most successful companies in the world is a worker co op
03:28
i forget the name of it but there literally a well known juice maker
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i’ll look it up real quick
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Flutterpony 27/01/2021 03:30
Sweetie, are you our little community juice-maker?
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Sweetie BOT 27/01/2021 03:30
Yep!
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Sadie 27/01/2021 03:32
Ocean spray 
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that company is a worker co op (edited)
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Flutterpony 27/01/2021 03:33
ooh nice!
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Sadie 27/01/2021 03:33
its the 7th riches company in its country
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Flutterpony 27/01/2021 03:34
Where's it based?
03:34
No worries if you don't know. i just find it interesting.
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Sadie 27/01/2021 03:35
its based in spain
03:37
wait what did i actually Denteley edit (edited)
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Flutterpony 27/01/2021 03:37
The different ecosystem makes me question how business goes in Spain generally.
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Sadie 27/01/2021 03:39
i think they have some places in the usa as well but i might be wrong
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i know there based all over the world but primarily in spain
03:41
when a Business is run by the employees it always turns out well
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as long as there’s no interference from governments and or appointed members with out the workers say (edited)
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when that happens it goes down hill in the Quality of the work place
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real fast
03:51
also another good example of a worker coop is the  The mondragon corporation
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plus u can compare the numbers of a worker coop and regular Business that is run by a bored of dictators on how there handling during the pandemic and the worker coop is always stable
03:58
it just proves that worker coops are much more effective even in economic downturn (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 27/01/2021 19:03
What is ?
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Sadie 27/01/2021 19:06
worker co ops compared to a board of directors run Business (edited)
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Burger 27/01/2021 20:47
Is it like a way of putting ™ maybe?
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Crys 28/01/2021 01:26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdD9RZN7jZo
Styxhexenhammer666
We Don't Need the Kind of Unity the Liberals are Proposing
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I like jimmy more
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But here I found some one on the right making sense (edited)
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Sadie 28/01/2021 03:55
making sense yes but clearly  false
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Crys 28/01/2021 06:24
I disagree with him on minimum wage. Other then that what did he get wrong?
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It was a bit of a speed run of what is wrong and how it got that way starting with Ronald Reagan.
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Sapare 28/01/2021 15:59
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd0iB03Tovk
WPTV News - FL Palm Beaches and Treasure Coast
South Florida man accused of using social media to spread disinform...
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Crys 28/01/2021 17:40
Sorry I just woke up. Did I got this right? He tricked a lot of Neo Nazis not to vote?
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It may be my anti Nazi bias showing but I do not think telling people to vote early should come with a 10 year prison sentence.
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Burger 28/01/2021 18:33
Well he isn't an official and at the end of the day people should of just checked the official websites to see if what he said was true
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You should always treat what everyone says online as hearsay until they have things to confirm it
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Crys 28/01/2021 18:34
yes that
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Sapare 29/01/2021 04:47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkeGZe0tqh8
The Jimmy Dore Show
Black Musician Befriends Klan Members -- Changes Hearts & Minds.
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Flutterpony 04/02/2021 11:49
https://ourlovefrontier.wordpress.com/2021/01/27/now-the-supporters-of-cancel-culture-are-being-cancelled/
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Now the supporters of cancel culture are being cancelled…
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Sapare 04/02/2021 12:55
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9223061/Proud-boys-Canada-designates-right-wing-extremist-group-terrorist-entity.html Honestly, if I see ANY protest against this I will go to it. I am not proud boy but I am against authoritarian regimes trying to crush their political enemies.
Proud boys: Canada designates right-wing group a a terrorist entity
The Proud Boys have faced increased scrutiny after seizing on the former Trump administration's policies. The group was a major agitator during protests and the Capitol riots on January 6, 2021.
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Idc if they throw me in jail, this is fucking disgusting.
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Flutterpony 04/02/2021 13:32
Canada never won my favor for freedom of speech.
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Sadie 04/02/2021 13:32
they do have a lot of fascists and white nationalists
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i’m not surprised
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they should be suppressed to protect freedom
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and to point out the proudboys crossed into canada with fire arms to intimidate a black persons funeral
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that is why i’m not surprised canada designated them as a terrorist organization and they should be there out right terrorists (edited)
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Sapare 04/02/2021 13:43
I would like that claim sourced.
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Any of those claims would be nice really. Being its a canada born group and the US leadership is not white, nor was present at the US capitol riot.
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Sadie 04/02/2021 13:45
they was present at the capital
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Sapare 04/02/2021 13:46
People from the proud boys where. So where people from ANtifa, and BLM, and the press.
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but Proud boy leader had actually been arrested prior to the events at the capital, so kinda strange for proud boys to take the fall there.
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Sadie 04/02/2021 13:47
i’ll get the sorces
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its not just the pound boys its fascists
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Sapare 04/02/2021 13:48
?
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proud boys are now responsible for all fascists in the world? I didn't know proud boys and antifa fucked. (edited)
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Sadie 04/02/2021 13:48
i said i’ll grab the sorces
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i said they was involved but the leader did organize the protest
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Sadie 04/02/2021 16:22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoP9ufM3bjw
Second Thought
The Capitol Riot Explained
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heres an easy video to follow
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Sapare 04/02/2021 16:51
Doesnt show any funerals of black people.
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Not sure how this is evidence to anything you claimed.
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i guess i watch, maybe title doesnt make it obvious. But the capital riot wasnt a funeral of black people last i checked.
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Sadie 04/02/2021 16:53
XD u read it wrong
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and to point out the proudboys crossed into canada with fire arms to intimidate a black persons funeral [07:39] that is why i’m not surprised canada designated them as a terrorist organization and they should be there out right terrorists
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this was last year not this year
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i'm doing one point at a time
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Sapare 04/02/2021 16:54
Alright, i'll wait on that one then.
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Sapare 04/02/2021 17:02
Still waiting on the "Proud boys made this happen" moment. Though he also just said that a senator who raised his fist at protestors(in support) as he entered the place to cast his votes, is somehow showing active support for the people storming the capital.
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Sadie 04/02/2021 17:03
i didn't say they made it happend but was involved (edited)
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i showed the video to provide context (edited)
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Sapare 04/02/2021 17:03
So were some people from Antifa and BLM riots. Same with the firestorms in california
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its proven at least one Antifa supporter set fires in california.
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Sadie 04/02/2021 17:04
how is that the same as storming the capital (edited)
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Sapare 04/02/2021 17:04
Oh yea, one thing killed a lot more people.
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and it wasn't the capital riot for your information.
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but its not about the severity of the crime, its about the no win scenario you create when you authorize force on whole groups of people for individual acts.
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Antifa should actually be a terrorist groups because they actively train and endorse these violent acts and act as a united front in them, its not single outlier people. That's where BLM gets away with it, if barely considering they chanted stuff like "fry em like bacon". And if you do that we can talk proud boys, the would be 3rd up on the chopping block, but to take an isolated event filled with people from all walks of live and to use them as your PRETENSE to axe your political enemies, well you an authoritarian if you support that. Funny enough your vid actually proves my point right, this guy lists neo nazis, nazis, politicans, vlogers, the news, rich business owners, small business owners, working class people, q annon, lunatic shammans, AND proud boy people to have been present. (though what he doesnt list is the known and documented antifa and BLM supporters also present)
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So yea, I guess lets just designate everyone as a terrorist and be done with it.(this is sarcasm)
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Sadie 04/02/2021 17:09
did u watch the whole video
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it only been like 15 minutes
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even if they was involved that still doesn't excuse them of a riot they joined
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Sapare 04/02/2021 17:11
he ends his point on "the people who were there" at 15 min
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specifically 14:30
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Sadie 04/02/2021 17:11
watch the whole thing
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and i mean the whole thing
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Sapare 04/02/2021 17:12
also, for your info, this guy is a complete scumbag and biased as all fuck selling you lies. Not that I think you will care. Tim is more reliable source of real news.
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Sadie 04/02/2021 17:13
XD show me evidence that antifi was involved
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/26/us/proud-boys-capitol-riot.html
By Alan Feuer and Frances Robles
Proud Boys Under Growing Scrutiny in Capitol Riot Investigation
Officials are trying to determine to what extent far-right groups planned the assault in advance.
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i like to see that evidence antifa was involved
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Sapare 04/02/2021 17:20
here is the best non biased source i can find on he quick: https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/01/07/was-antifa-at-the-capitol-protest-here-are-the-facts-and-the-guy-who-threatened-to-rip-trump-out-of-the-white-house-n306039
Was Antifa at the Capitol Protest? Here Are The Facts and the Guy W...
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alterantively there is also this: https://en-volve.com/2021/01/15/breaking-cnn-reporter-caught-conspiring-with-antifa-activist-to-incite-violence-at-capitol-hill-riot/
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BREAKING: CNN Reporter Caught Conspiring With Antifa Activist To In...
CNN has some explaining to do. On Thursday night, damning new footage showed CNN’s Jade Sacker inside of the Capitol with John Sullivan, the BLM member who was charged by federal prosecutors for inciting chaos on
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Sadie 04/02/2021 17:23
so one guy
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this is pretty lack luster
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Sapare 04/02/2021 17:25
So now we create arbitrary limitations? I never said they were responsible for it, nor am i putting them onto terrorist lists for it. Of course its going to be less of them, it was not a left wing rally.
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Do i need to show you the multitude of murders and mutilations that occurred over 2020? Or do those not coutn because they were not "the capital riot". (edited)
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how convenient, when we murder people at any place that isnt the right wing rally its ok, but if we are at the right wing rally its also ok because we are a minority at it. (edited)
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Also the whole capital riot group only killed "one guy"
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Sadie 04/02/2021 17:27
when has people been killed
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Sapare 04/02/2021 17:27
so, pretty lackluster too.
17:27
when has anyone been killed by riots in the last year that wasnt during the capital riot?
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Sadie 04/02/2021 17:27
where not talking about antifi thats besides the point of a year of unrest this was one day
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this is just what aboutism at this point
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Sapare 04/02/2021 17:33
whataboutism is a word used by hypocrites who have no good intent and only wish to sow chaos. There is no such thing, morality is about having ideals and standards you apply universally. Of course you don't, so lets just end the conversation over there. I will ignore you from now on because for now, that is all that can be done. (edited)
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Sadie 04/02/2021 17:33
i'm not even defending antifi
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hypocrites? then why are you changing subject (edited)
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i honestly dont think ur open to understanding anything
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by the way ur sources was biased
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i did give u the benefit of the doubt but that artical is bias (edited)
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can tell me if u support the riot or not
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Sadie 04/02/2021 17:56
@Flutterpony i'll get back to u on the canada thing theres a lot to go though to find the original source
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Flutterpony 04/02/2021 21:59
If you want. I'm not following it closely. I hold no strong opinion except that Canada unwisely suppresses free speech and congregation, not only potentially in this scenario, but where simple production and possession of literature is concerned. (edited)
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Slippery slopes are sometimes not as slippery as politicians might lead us to believe, but I feel that where free expression is concerned, it's far safer to err on the side of leniency than not.
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Sapare 06/02/2021 19:36
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGTUYLJGBm4
The Jimmy Dore Show
Biden Breaks Deal To Withdraw Troops.
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is "imagine if trump" going to become a new standard? (edited)
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 06/02/2021 19:38
I see Biden as my escape from caring about politics. I'm Aussie anyway.
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Just glad Orange man is gone.
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Sapare 06/02/2021 19:41
And you wonder why the Muslims hate us all. We are all drenched in blood of eastern children and every-time someone tries to stop it, well, we saw what you all decided. (edited)
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 06/02/2021 19:44
Yep, America is the bad guys mostly, shouldn't be world police. Leave other places alone.
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Sapare 06/02/2021 19:44
The whole west, which even Australia is a puppet of.
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Every NATO nation is involved in this shit and has been for as long as most of us been alive. (edited)
19:45
we are all responsible for this.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 06/02/2021 19:45
Well yeah and Britain's been doing it the longest. So longest history of evil.
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Well I've been anti war all my life. Don't have power to do anything about it.
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Sapare 06/02/2021 19:47
Trump was anti war.
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Flutterpony 06/02/2021 20:43
Biden can do no wrong! Really though, I trust him to the point of dying for him. (edited)
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Sapare 06/02/2021 21:16
But what do you want from him? Do you support a war with Iran?
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because i remember we talked last year and you were in favor of pulling out of the middle east if i recall right.
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Or do you just support him over any policy preference? I don't mean that as an insult, you say you would die for him, that is pretty hardline. Does that mean you believe in his plan and vision above any personal opinion you may have?
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Flutterpony 06/02/2021 21:22
Anything Trump did was probably not thought through. I think everybody wants to have nothing to do with the middle east, but it's not reasonable to leave an open threat unaddressed. It's a nuanced topic where binary answers aren't adequate.
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Flutterpony 07/02/2021 16:31
In any case I both am glad and regret that I never served in the military, and if I'd been required to fight or take lives, I'd rest the accountability of that squarely on the shoulders of the leaders I've trusted. I'll never go about gathering fuel for the flames, but I'll do my duty and keep watch for a controlled burn within the sanctioned boundaries of our government.
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Flutterpony 07/02/2021 19:39
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vaguely political I guess.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 07/02/2021 23:44
Sigh, such a lack of compassion. We have spikes on a lot of bench to prevent homeless from laying on them.
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Sapare 08/02/2021 01:09
yea, i learned about that when cyberpunk came out because that had some stupid ass bench designs.(though theirs are even dumber than most IRL ones) I gotta say, humanity is fucking cruel.
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the "never assume malice where incompetence fits" is just not accurate. I do believe as individuals most people are more stupid then evil, but also that most people are more apathetic than good.
01:10
an evil committed not against ourselves is one easily ignored. (edited)
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I wouldn't mind enshrining a core fucking law that forces all benches to humanitarian. (edited)
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and the excuse will be that homeless increase crime rate(which they factually do, as someone who interacted with them, homeless are scary fucking people, dont kid yourself), but that just means hire some fucking security for your trainstations.
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they should have security at all times anyway(at least patrolling/riding train) because they are hotspots of crime anyway.
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ultimately removing benches wont remove the crime, it will just push it onto other people who are not in public eye. (edited)
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 08/02/2021 03:33
https://youtu.be/trJc_t_AqVY
plutocracyisnotaplanet
Bernie Anime Opening
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Flutterpony 08/02/2021 20:38
Sweet. That was entertaining.
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Cheesy Pony 12/02/2021 07:27
Season 2 of BERNIE was awesome.
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Can't wait for season 3 to hit Netflix. I sqw the trailer and am wanting to see what what those crochet mittens were about.
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Flutterpony 12/02/2021 12:49
Wait it's actually a series on Netflix?
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Flutterpony 16/02/2021 18:21
Interesting points here. Good things to consider. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8xwFZ0swtI
corbettreport
Citizens for Free Speech - #SolutionsWatch
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Talking about internet communities as living humans and social distancing as a tool for speech suppression raises some red flags, but they still make valid points.
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TheyCallMeTrinity 16/02/2021 21:37
How is social distancing a tool for speech suppression? It excludes people with hearing problems or something?
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Sapare 17/02/2021 02:05
Isolation stiffness the transmission of thought, most of all when the alternative communication methods are heavily regulated and censored.
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If you are free to say what you wish, but not to who you wish, then you are free to say nothing.
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Burger 17/02/2021 02:19
With a social distancing and lockdown rules in place, the only speech allowed is what the company that runs your messenger, ISP, landline or mail allows
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And any company can be given "benefits" from the government to change their rules as they see fit
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Flutterpony 17/02/2021 22:29
I still don't see how mask-wearing limits who you speak you.
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Burger
And any company can be given "benefits" from the government to change their rules as they see fit
TheyCallMeTrinity 18/02/2021 00:13
It's not like they have "benefits": electronic communication is, quite simply, not considered a right, nor access to it is considered a "strategic matter" the State has to have some actual control over. In effect, censorship on the currently-existing platforms are simply companies applying their rules.
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Burger
With a social distancing and lockdown rules in place, the only speech allowed is what the company that runs your messenger, ISP, landline or mail allows
TheyCallMeTrinity 18/02/2021 00:14
Not really, though: you can still communicate vocally with people you might encounter in situations that cannot be expected to be done at a distance. Also, visitation rules do exist.
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Flutterpony 18/02/2021 18:19
More interesting to me is to consider how speech/expression/propaganda is amplified through technology by those in control to quash uprising. I wonder which populations are more or less vulnerable to misinformation and censorship and how rampant abuse is. I doubt we'd reliably be able to tell when there is abuse without a great deal of careful research. Certainly Trump supporters are being suppressed, same as law-biding pedophiles. I don't believe they ought to have been deplatformed unless they were promoting violence explicitly. This still doesn't link at all to mask-wearing. The way the 2nd amendment grants the right to bear firearms, the 1st amendment grants free speech, but in both cases technology has severely muted the efficacy of firearms and speech without the infrastructure and technology that we now have. Whether or not that's fair or best for society is highly debatable, I think. (edited)
18:24
One thing seems clear to me, and that's the danger inherent in legally forbidding congregations (which is also unconstitutional), regardless of the real risk to human lives that any pandemic may pose.
18:24
Masks are still reasonable to require unless there's a valid medical reason why not.
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Flutterpony 18/02/2021 20:23
Here's something a friend posted about Parler I find interesting.
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Yay, Parler's back! Here are some friendly reminders for its advocates: 1) They love free speech! Just as long as you're saying things they agree with. Users get banned if they express left-wing ideals or anti-Parler views. Can't say you weren't warned, their TOS includes a clause to remove content and ban users "at any time and for any reason or no reason." You know, just like the 1st Amendment says. 2) They value privacy! Just not yours. Creating an account is a simple process that involves uploading a selfie, a government-issued photo ID, your phone number, and sometimes your social security and/or tax ID number. Don't worry, their security is so strong that... a random researcher scraped 80 terabytes of their posts after the Jan 6 attack, including GPS metadata for millions of photos and videos, including content that users had attempted to delete. But yeah, in terms of security, good luck trying to figure out the identities of its owners (not founders - owners)! 3) They love America! Just not the one we have right now. They believe in very far-right notions like how Americans should speak American, buy American, and promote America first! That's why they named their platform after the French verb "to speak" and receive website protection from Russian-owned DDos-Guard. It's also why they have more people listed on LinkedIn as employees outside the U.S. than they have inside the U.S. (and that's including the recently-canned American CEO!).
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I singled out Parler because they hit the news with their comeback. I also think that while no social media platform is perfect, Parler has some pretty big, scary flaws. I've seen so many people fleeing or trashing Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, and other large social media networks while running to Parler. Given the concerns I pointed out in my original post, I wanted to make sure everybody was clear on why Parler isn't the perfect solution. It's not about hypocrisy. It's about crying "wolf" while running to the safety of a bear. And just to be clear, whether or not there's a "wolf" in this analogy is irrelevant. That can be debated separately. I'm pointing out the bear.
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Burger 18/02/2021 21:47
Why can't people just stick to chans and old forums? Chans for the better since truly anon. People are more likely to speak their mind and be more truthful if no one knows who they are
21:48
And if its a bad take, doesn't matter, by next thread, no one will be able to tell you wrote your past post unless you have a particular writing style
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Flutterpony 18/02/2021 21:53
I feel like I'd give myself away by my style on anything that mattered enough to me to not be sloppy with.
21:53
But I agree chans are good for that.
21:53
I still miss Anontalk.
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Burger 19/02/2021 01:29
Wouldn't really trust 4chan much these days, but there are decent alternatives
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Sapare 19/02/2021 02:34
3) They love America! Just not the one we have right now. They believe in very far-right notions like how Americans should speak American, buy American, and promote America first! That's why they named their platform after the French verb "to speak" and receive website protection from Russian-owned DDos-Guard. It's also why they have more people listed on LinkedIn as employees outside the U.S. than they have inside the U.S. (and that's including the recently-canned American CEO!). I mean, Snowden loves America too and he lives in Russia atm.
02:38
People can have their opinions but this guy makes no sense. I don't know anything about Parler and maybe its bad, but he lives in the same fantasy world many on the left do, which is the problem with them. Nationalists are not anti other nations, they are pro the nation state. Nationalists can get into conflict with other nations, but they can also have close long term ties with other nations. Alliances and co-operation existed long before globalism. You can be pro america first and use a french word, the american revolution was financed by France. French revolution was inspired by USA. The better question is, why is Russia more pro-liberty than the US? Because at this point they are getting there, not in the political sphere but certainly in the social one.
02:40
Also, america pushed nationalism in WW1 to detroy Austria/Hungaria. It was considered progressive and humane at the time, it was a move away from empires that did not value the individual and a move toward self determination.
02:40
Globalism is just imperialism under a new guise.
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Burger 19/02/2021 02:53
I just wouldn't use Parler because it's a honey trap for people, collecting their info and what they post and selling it to whoever wants it
02:57
But I agree, a nation can be nationalistic but not automatically hate every other nation. When someone asks which condiment you like and you say mustard, that doesn't mean you hate all the others with a passion, just that you will always have mustard over the other sauces
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Burger 19/02/2021 03:06
If it was the case that being nationalists meant instant hate for all other nations, how the heck did Germany, Italy and Japan team up for WW2, with also help coming from groups from Spain, UK and other countries too? All of those said their country and their people were better then all the others, even within their own coalition of countries, yet they still worked together and traded with each other
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Sapare 19/02/2021 06:31
(and let us not ignore that most nations at that time would be what we call "nationalist" today, including the allies. Nationalist just means national identity and political self determination. The problem is that nationalist effectively got re-branded and put in with Fascism. Which means all for one(or all for the state), which can happen nationally or internationally.(and I would argue is happening internationally currently, the war on diverging opinions and creation of conformity culture is actively leading toward a society were we all work for one universal "greater good", its just framed as an international effort now.(which the soviets did 50 years ago.) If your national identity is liberty(which at times the US certainly had), then you could be a nationalist anti Fascist. Because the nation you wish to preserve is directly in opposition to Nazi like regimes where the state controls your home life.)
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 19/02/2021 07:38
America is a third world country in disguise.
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Sadie 19/02/2021 12:29
theres just a lot of miss information in this chat
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Flutterpony 19/02/2021 14:18
@Sapare Point number 3, I think, was meant to suggest that they only claim to love America, but Parler's owners really don't act in a way that shows they love America or else they'd love diversity.
14:19
It was a little convoluted the way he stated it.
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theres just a lot of miss information in this chat
Flutterpony 19/02/2021 14:20
Absolutely never always sometimes most definitely not check sources. (edited)
14:21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw6N8IbvjkE
The Jimmy Dore Show
Big Tech Monopolies -- Controlling Speech!? with Matt Stoller
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Haven't watched yet, but eventually I intend to.
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Sapare 20/02/2021 07:58
Nothing in point 3 mentions diversity or even policy of Parler, it talks fully and completely about who is in their employ. "named after french verb" "web protection from russia-owned" "Linkedin employees outside the U.S." Maybe somewhere else he mentions your points, but not in point 3, they are all ad homenom attacks with a vicious intent to poison the well. Doubly so when you consider that the reason they use outside sources is because the U.S companies refused them service. Talk about victim blaming.
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Sapare 20/02/2021 08:05
And all that said, how in the world is it fair to re-frame "loving America = loving diversity" and then accuse people of not actually being patriotic because they don't uphold your framing of what america is. I can think of many core political and cultural ideals of America, diversity is not really that far up the list. Gun rights, religious liberty, Democracy, state power(small federal gov), soft power, capitalism. Right to legal representation, constitution. Those are all much closer to being american ideals that range back hundreds of years(even if failed at times). Diversity of thought(and expression), I agree, due to the lack of hate speech laws, and a general preference for freedom of expression. But when I hear "diversity" that is not usually what people seem to refer to. So if you meant diversity of thought, yea its an american ideal. Though as stated its never even alluded to in point 3, and I am not sure how parler was restricting it. (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 20/02/2021 09:21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-syGum5Hams
The Ring of Fire
Texas Gives A Clear Picture Of How Dangerous Republican Policies Are
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Sapare 20/02/2021 11:55
And California showed Democrat policy failures. Guess we just all fucked.
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Burger 20/02/2021 19:37
I believe the main problems with Texas is the ultra investment in windfarms which froze up in the cold, with no backup
19:43
I've always had this problem with renewable energy sources in that they don't do backup systems along with them
19:50
I have seen some interesting things though like natural batteries, where while they have power, they pump water to a tank that's raised. Then when power runs out, they let the water out to run over a waterwheel connected to a big dynamo to generate electricity
19:52
Of course that would have a chance of failure in freezing environments, but it seems to work well in warmer climates
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Burger 20/02/2021 20:32
Overall I think this a problem a lot of places in the states have since most places rely on energy created close by, since a nation grid system can't work with such distances places have
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Sapare 21/02/2021 00:18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKRinO0Zk4g
America Uncovered
Biden Defends China’s Genocide—Wait, Is That True?!
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I believe the main problems with Texas is the ultra investment in windfarms which froze up in the cold, with no backup
Cheesy Pony 21/02/2021 17:40
1. They froze because republicans didn't wintertize them 2. Texas relies on 80% thermal energy - coal, gas, and nuclear 3. Instruments for coal, gas, and nuclear all froze too - because republicans didn't winterize those either. 4. Numerous countries exist in as cold or colder climates and are able to use wind power just fine 5. Other states were hit by the same storm but didn't experience any power outages, because they were on the national power grid (edited)
17:41
Those are all points mentioned in the video I posted, and that you clearly did not watch.
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The Shadow 21/02/2021 17:47
I guess they thought they didn't need to
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Cheesy Pony 21/02/2021 18:01
They were warned that this would happen 10 years ago after they investigated the cause of a similiar disaster back then.
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Sapare 22/02/2021 00:55
https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/energy/energy-sources-distribution/renewables/wind-energy/wind-energy-cold-climates/7321
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not an argument for or against, just more info on the topic.
01:00
that said, you keep mentioning national power grid, california constantly has poweroutages and breakdowns and it is connected with other states(from a quick search). (edited)
01:02
and nothing is as unprecedented in California as this was. Also to my knowledge, which might be outdated knowledge(tech moves fast), the nature of energy means you can't actually effectively import or export it across large distances, so a national power grid sounds more like a theory than a real tool, the energy loss across distances is massive which is why its usually produced semi locally and not in big "energy capital of the world". (edited)
01:02
So if you hate climate change you should hate sending power from one state to another and losing half, it means you gotta burn twice as much. (edited)
01:07
If I may forward a theory why Texas was hit harder than other states in the region, probably population density plus the large influx of people from other states meaning population growth, coupled with mismanagement of these changing factors. All of those factors also affected California and as stated its a disaster for decades, so if anything maybe this should be used as a new reason to be anti immigration.
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Nothing in point 3 mentions diversity or even policy of Parler, it talks fully and completely about who is in their employ. "named after french verb" "web protection from russia-owned" "Linkedin employees outside the U.S." Maybe somewhere else he mentions your points, but not in point 3, they are all ad homenom attacks with a vicious intent to poison the well. Doubly so when you consider that the reason they use outside sources is because the U.S companies refused them service. Talk about victim blaming.
Flutterpony 22/02/2021 01:56
Ah, that's a powerful counterpoint. Americans forced Parler to go offline, and it does make sense many rescuing it would be foreign. As for diversity, I'd say it's farther up the list considering "all men were created equal" is among what might be considered the premises of the bill of rights. The third point does make it clear my friend was talking about diversity of thought as well, in any case, "speak American, buy American, and promote America first," for example strongly suggest narrow thinking. (edited)
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Flutterpony 22/02/2021 02:05
I'm not against speaking American, buying American, or promoting America, in any case, but he seems to be saying Parler requires this or else users may not participate.
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He could be wrong, or I could be wrong in interpreting him, but I'd guess I've got his implications about right. (edited)
02:11
That part is a Parler's prerogative, any way. They can require anything they want to, but it kind of blemishes their effort to be about free expression if it's really the case. Again, I think Twatter was wrong to deplatform so many, and I wish I could hear defense for Parler against acting the same on the opposing side.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKRinO0Zk4g
Flutterpony 22/02/2021 02:31
Really informative. I appreciated this show.
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Sapare 22/02/2021 02:34
If parler censored people then it was wrong. I am libertarian, and not american, and i should be allowed to speak on it as freely as anyone else. I know nothing about Parlers inner working, only that they got taken down for being unable to do the impossible, despite Twitter and co not doing so either. So yes, if they discriminated against people for not being pro america enough I do consider that major issue and point of contention. But what they actually got 'guiltied" for was not that, and was unreasonable. (edited)
02:37
I hate all forms of censorship and will gladly denounce it equally, its just that even if the right is censoring people. We need a general reform of law to prevent "my private platform" argumentation and return peoples core liberties of self expression.
02:42
as for the diversity point, i think its the distinction between equality and equity and where you personally draw the line between one and the other. At what point are you giving everyone the same tools, or intentionally forcing the same outcome.
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Flutterpony 22/02/2021 05:57
In the case of the most relevant example of race, offering "the same tools" can mean revising laws, gutting corrupted institutions, offering state and institutionalized assistance, and more across multiple generations. I have had a tough time justifying affirmative action based on race in the past, before I understood the persistence and pervasiveness of racism in our institutions. I've changed my mind on that as I've witnessed it in friends' lives and through the media.
06:01
Affirmative action hypothetically looks like choosing minority candidates when they're about roughly equally as qualified as non-minorities. In practice, it's often filling a quota unfortunately, which leans more toward what I'd call forcing the same outcome, to use your term. (edited)
06:06
A bit of favor for race still seems perfectly justifiable considering the odds many fight, but I personally would favor the poor equally or more since poverty has often been the result of racism yet could combat classism simultaneously. (edited)
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Sapare 22/02/2021 07:27
and that is where your and my view divert. To me affirmative action IS institutionalized racism, dressed up under a new name and slogan. Cultural difference creating unequal outcome is not racism, its nature. You would not want to be served by someone who spits in your food because that is their cultural way of doing it, and you would not want to enforce people to hire such waiters in place of "white" ones. Has nothing to do with racism and everything with some people being ill adjusted. There is a reason pretty much every BLM symbol seems to have a criminal history. If you want to support groups that work on bringing people back into society and reform them to be healthy parts, or you want to hire them convicts because you have faith in them, I endorse both. I actually think more reform from criminal life is good, but the answer is not to create quotas and pretend the root issues don't exist while passing up the GOOD people that exist. Ultimately it just encourages everyone to become lowest common denominator, because when you work and study all life to be passed up by someone who is factually less qualified because they meet a diversity quota, you will quickly find people skipping education and become the same hardened criminals you are trying to lift out of poverty. I have also seen little evidence of real racism and much evidence of general corruption, and the fact that those who are the institutions seem to yell loudest about racism whenever other questions come up paint it at best as a cynical diversion and at worse as propaganda trying to smear their opposition. (edited)
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Sapare 22/02/2021 07:46
There is also the impossible conflict of stances that is simultaneously pushing for equal outcome AND immigration. Immigrants will by nature always be ill adjusted to the new society, and as such ALWAYS do worse in the new environment, it could be small from not knowing local customs or expectations, to massive things like literally not speaking the local language well. Which means you are not only ignoring the genuine cultural issues that already existed, but are overcompensating by creating equity for people who should not be equally competitive till they are adjusted. I would go so far as to wager it will create a deep class divide internally that could become very abusive. Because of course to meet the quotas there will be a preference to chose the at least somewhat adjusted people of a group(those that can speak your language), but because wealth is not created but only shifted around those not chosen will become even less powerful, which means not only can the immigrants not speak your language but they are also denied the bonuses others from their culture group get from the gov, likely creating a minority inside a minority that will become their private labor force to abuse. (edited)
07:50
Ultimately I can't speak for sure, idk all the gears and wirlings. all I know is that for all its progressivness and people on your left pointing to canada as a beacon, we effectively bleed indian immigrants dry because we know their vurnable position. Parents have to send their (young adult)kids here because in india they get raped and beaten, but Canadian universities charge them massive amounts of money to study here(while local civilians study almost free) and the government puts them under such heavy restrictions that they effectively have to work themselves to the bone, often being exploited by bosses, or risk being send home and losing all the money they invested in their studies. (edited)
07:51
So, I don't see racism, I see corruption and plain simple evil of greed that people are all to happy to ignore because its uncomfortable to tackle, and instead they chase made up boogieman and ruin lives to get their rocks off. Easier to get get a conservative Professor banned than actually fight the universities and their investor allies.
07:57
(and in germany gangs and street racing, crime and mafias are all becoming widepsread issues, people are fleeing to the few places that don't seem there yet. I heard sweden is deadly too. I just don't see any evidence that this genuinely works, only naturally created co-habitation of cultures works when it comes with time and a both side consent, trying to force culture shifts seems to always create instability, and the reasons seem obvious to me, no one wants to have their identity threatened.) (edited)
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ALL that said, at least your views come from a good moral stance, and I think in many ways that matters more than anything, many different roads can lead to the same outcome, and I think the morals of a person drive more toward their outcome than the approach.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 22/02/2021 08:16
TL DR It should be simple, have some compassion for other human beings, Tax the corporations properly. No more politicians over 55.
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Sapare 22/02/2021 08:18
Ageist?
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 22/02/2021 08:24
Yeah old people are out of touch, especially in this fast changing information age.
08:25
They are actually less wise then ever in history.
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Sapare 22/02/2021 08:26
spoken like a child.
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Cheesy Pony 22/02/2021 17:24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEOBKBx9zt8
David Pakman Show
Texas Knew Power Grid Was at Risk, Did Nothing
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Flutterpony 22/02/2021 20:50
@Sapare Cultural difference is impacted deeply by racism. If not for both laws and courts targeting and punishing minorities more severely than whites, generations of suffering and cultural decay could have been avoided. I see this decay present itself as fatherless homes, desperate caretakers, and generations left to live in situations where strong, healthy families are untennable. Statistics seem to support this in my understanding, but you'd have to ask someone who cares to argue with you for sources. (edited)
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Flutterpony 22/02/2021 21:00
If not for race-targeted cruelty in the system, even as far back as 3 generations, the sources of culture, the past and present homes of each new generation, wouldn't have sunk so far into survivalism or hopelessness. Culture is absolutely fed by circumstance, and even artificially boosting that circumstance can in turn improve culture (via affirmative action). If you want, we can practically rename racism to culturism or ethnocentricity, except that doesn't account for disparity quite as well. Even among well-off family-driven ethnic families, racism's influence is apparent. Maybe you could argue that's systemized guilt-by-association rather than only racism, but I speculate any "association" is still made by racial queues. (edited)
21:03
If we're really just hung up on losing out by favoring others, then why not let affirmative action target class rather than race? Either way, minority races still benefit.
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Flutterpony 22/02/2021 21:19
I invite any data that shows that culture and not racism is to blame. In the end, "cultural differences" is only circumlocution for "it was their own fault the moment we stopped oppressing them." I'm open to changing my mind as always, with evidence. (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 23/02/2021 22:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvAes8pXvFE
The Ring of Fire
Utility Companies Screwing Over Victims Of Texas Snowstorms
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Flutterpony 26/02/2021 01:31
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The Shadow 26/02/2021 04:26
Adorable child
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Sapare 27/02/2021 03:53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6OmGpc-dp8
Timcast
Biden Has Bombed Syria, Admin Announces New Sanctions on Russia, He...
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Flutterpony 27/02/2021 16:42
Thank goodness someone more trustworthy is commanding the US military finally. (edited)
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Sapare 28/02/2021 12:53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10w4MhIEr7Q
The Jimmy Dore Show
Biden Does Air Strikes Before Relief Checks!
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 28/02/2021 13:44
Get your own country and your own government under control, before you even think about being world police. The US doing shit like this for generations upon generations. Is exactly what creates terrorist extremists.
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Especially when they always kill innocent civilians every time.
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Flutterpony 01/03/2021 02:56
Even without Trump, I have so little confidence that reliable information can be found to know whether the actions are defensible. Timcast would have us believe it's being done purely for money. Would that I knew.
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Sapare 02/03/2021 23:06
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maz22EtJwt4
Fox News
Tucker takes on former state department official defending Biden's ...
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Cheesy Pony 13/03/2021 14:14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNghg1Y-WIc
The Gravel Institute
David Cross: Why America Sucks at Everything
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 14/03/2021 06:05
Third world country in disguise.
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Crys 15/03/2021 00:15
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-media-fact-checkers-finally-come-for-joe-biden/ar-BB1ezF8N?ocid=msedgdhp
The media fact-checkers finally come for Joe Biden
Some of the media fact-checkers apparently are finally waking up.
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Flutterpony 15/03/2021 00:36
Guess they needed a short break after the complete cluster their jobs must have been with Trump. 💥
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Cheesy Pony 15/03/2021 10:24
Another good video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHzLtjR_hdY
The Gravel Institute
Why America Throws the Poor in Prison
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 16/03/2021 00:24
Let's make people unable to afford homes or food, then put them in jail when they squat or steal to survive.
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And then use them as slave labour.
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Cheesy Pony 16/03/2021 07:32
Well America kind of already do?
07:32
Swap the order and put slave labour first and you got America in a nutshell.
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Crys 16/03/2021 09:15
Don't forget high legal fees and fines for people who are just getting by and do some miner thing like speed to start them on that path.
09:18
you never know when running a stop sigh will start you on a life of crime. then slave labor. then harder crime because no one will higher you.
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Crys 16/03/2021 09:42
just watched the vid
09:45
I hate that they made it a race issue because fewer people will talk about it
09:49
Ether because they are racist or because they don't want to drown out the voices of poc
09:52
I can't talk about that. I'm from the demographic who only has a 25% chance of going to jail. Much too privileged.
09:57
It reminds me of black lives matter vs all lives matter
09:59
the answer to the latter should be "yes that is why we need police reform"
10:06
there is no problem with a reform happening to help more people of a given demographic but if they are the only ones who we talk about or can talk about it
10:11
it will just build resentment and erase victims who do not fit the mold while also limiting the size of the political movement.
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Crys 16/03/2021 10:22
if it starts being a race issue it stops being an everyone issue (edited)
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The Shadow 16/03/2021 17:56
Agreed
17:57
Try and tell it to the BLM ppl though and they bite your head off bc "you're weakening the movement, you don't need help bc you're white"
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Lady, it's not about me. Not all minorities are black, and we need to reform in favour of everyone, not just blacks
18:01
I'm all for taking away white privilege, but not by lowering the standard. By taking away the idea that that treatment is white. I want everyone to have the treatment by others that is currently considered "white privilege"
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Crys 16/03/2021 18:29
Agreed
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Sapare 16/03/2021 23:38
https://youtu.be/hnQrXS6i7dI?t=355
Tim Pool
Democrats Reverse Trump Policy Banning Racial Segregation In School...
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Flutterpony 17/03/2021 06:49
Pf
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Cheesy Pony 21/03/2021 19:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UutBxiF57s4
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Republicans Push Another Tax Cut After Voting Against Stimulus For ...
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I hate that they made it a race issue because fewer people will talk about it
Cheesy Pony 21/03/2021 19:27
They're not wrong, though. It does disproportionately affect non-white americans. Just like how police brutality does in america, and a lot of things.
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They're not wrong, though. It does disproportionately affect non-white americans. Just like how police brutality does in america, and a lot of things.
Crys 21/03/2021 21:32
and painkiller addiction disproportionately affects white people and suicide disproportionately affects men. Do we need to always talk about them in the context of the historic oppression of white men? Or can we ask “are you having suicidal thoughts?”, “do you need help getting off after recovering?” without asking after color or sex first? I just do not like the stay in your lane approach to problem solving. As I said there is no problem with a reform happening to help more people of a given demographic as long as you offer it to anyone who needs help.
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Crys 21/03/2021 21:51
Can you imagine a world in which men's rights activists were the only people talking about suicide? Mentioning women only briefly as a measuring stick to show how much worse it is for men.
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 05:31
I agree with you
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 08:05
I'm actually surprised. This is decent, and pretty thorough reporting. https://reason.com/2021/03/19/the-cops-who-drew-guns-and-forced-an-innocent-family-to-lie-on-the-pavement-were-dismayed-by-the-angry-response/
The Cops Who Drew Guns and Forced an Innocent Family To Lie on the ...
After gratuitously terrifying a 6-year-old girl, the officers blamed her mother, who also had done nothing illegal.
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Also pretty thoroughly refutes the old "but people pick out of context clips, police aren't really like that!" bullshit arguments.
08:08
I'll also not the part where they say "people in stolen cars are ofteb also carrying weapons".
08:09
Now these extreme procedures wouldn't be necessary if guns weren't so readily available, wouldn't they be?
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 08:12
The gun laws aren't stopping them
08:12
We need stricter gun possession requirements
08:13
Ppl scam and steal them to sell them to ppl who shouldn't have them
08:14
The ppl with licenses are generally not the ones committing crimes with them
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The Shadow
The ppl with licenses are generally not the ones committing crimes with them
Crys 22/03/2021 08:16
In that case what good would making it harder to get a license do?
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 08:17
I mean say to buy a gun, you'll need to put it in a safe
08:17
Or something like that
08:17
Reduce chances of it being stolen
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Crys 22/03/2021 08:18
If it is always in a safe it is a poor self defense weapon.
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The Shadow
Reduce chances of it being stolen
The Shadow 22/03/2021 08:19
This is what I mean
08:19
There's a reason I'm not trying to pass policies myself
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Crys 22/03/2021 08:20
I think on your person or in a safe is fair.
08:22
But it would be a difficult law to enforce without serious privacy concerns.
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Cheesy Pony
Now these extreme procedures wouldn't be necessary if guns weren't so readily available, wouldn't they be?
Crys 22/03/2021 08:24
They are not necessary now.
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 08:26
The thing is, if you manage to reduce the number of people carrying guns, all of a sudden fewer people need guns to protect themselves from people with guns
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It's a no-brainer.
08:27
It really is.
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 08:28
No, bc the illegal gun-ppl will still be there
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 08:28
And they can do other things, like limit the sale of weapons or munition above a certain size
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 08:29
But that wont solve it
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Crys 22/03/2021 08:30
Guns are a great equalizer the main thing that will change is people without a lot of physical strength will not be able to defend themselves.
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 08:30
The 'black market' is the problem
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 08:30
Plenty of countries do not have the same kind of problem america has.
08:31
So it can't be that difficult to solve.
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 08:31
Maybe if the government were on top of it
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 08:32
"Guns are the great equilizer" ... Until they're not. What happens when both parties have guns? Whoever has the biggest gun wins.
08:32
You've created a world ruled by whoever can het the biggest weapons.
08:32
The common term for this sort of thing is an "arms race"
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Crys 22/03/2021 08:32
places that ban guns see more stabbings and other alternative murder methods
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Cheesy Pony
"Guns are the great equilizer" ... Until they're not. What happens when both parties have guns? Whoever has the biggest gun wins.
Crys 22/03/2021 08:33
what?
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 08:33
For that you have to then look at the underlying cause.
08:33
Which is usually economic.
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Crys 22/03/2021 08:33
bigger is not better
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Cheesy Pony
Which is usually economic.
Crys 22/03/2021 08:33
I agree
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 08:34
America basically has to do two things.
08:35
1) Fix their economics so there aren't so many people living in poverty, which leads to more crime 2) Do away with this insane fetishization they have of guns and the military.
08:36
Their police deal with more situations using force than they actually should, when you need de-escalation not re-escalation.
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 08:37
I agree, but am not about to let anybody take away my pocketknives and lighters
08:37
I also plan to try and get a gun license once I have my own place
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 08:37
Pocketknives lol?
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To give you perspective
08:38
I live in an African country.
08:38
I do not own a gun.
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Crys 22/03/2021 08:38
Take a look at Switzerland vs the uk
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 08:38
Does any of my family own a gun? No.
08:39
Do we feel less safe without any guns? No.
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Crys 22/03/2021 08:40
Good for you but not everyone feels safe
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 08:40
If we can manage without every man, woman, and child being armed to the teeth, so can you, America.
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 08:40
Pocketknives are knives that fold where blade meets handle so you can put it in your pocket
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 08:40
Yeah, I know. They're basically swiss army knives.
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But why do you have them though?
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 08:41
No, those are better made
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 08:41
I think they're also called a switch blade.
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 08:41
I literally got mine for $10 at a convenience store
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And no, switchblades are illegal
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Crys 22/03/2021 08:42
I thought swiss army knives were more like muti-tool?
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 08:42
I know, I thought they were cool and tried to find one to buy
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 08:43
Switchblades are illegal but pocket knives are fine? Okay, lol
08:43
imo any small blade is fine.
08:43
They're legitimate tools and are less likely to kill you when they go off in your pocket.
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 08:44
Switchblades are spring action, for one
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 08:44
The purpose of the license (like a driver's license) is really to make sure the owner is properly trained so as not to hurt themselves of people around them.
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Crys 22/03/2021 08:44
Ya here we pass legislation based on how scary something LOOKS
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 08:44
Switchblades are spring action, for one
@The Shadow So, so they might actually go off
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 08:45
Yeah
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 08:45
That's understandable then.
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 08:45
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08:46
Wikipedia will tell all
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 08:46
Did you know tiny spoons are illegal to send in the post in the US?
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Crys 22/03/2021 08:46
two stick tied together ban it
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 08:46
Apparently it's because they're used for drugs
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>automatic knife Oh my god. I was literally just thinking that 🤣
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Crys 22/03/2021 08:49
It doesn't help that most most of our lawmakers know less about weapons then the average person.
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So you get terminology in bills like fully semi-automatic assault weapon.
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If you do not know fully and semi are mutually exclusive terms and assault weapon is meaningless.
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Apparently it's because they're used for drugs
Crys 22/03/2021 09:00
Oh ya I forgot how badly the war on drugs ruined everything. It was almost as bad as the war on terror.
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 09:01
Which war was it that destroyed workers' unions?
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Crys 22/03/2021 09:03
I do not know but given how well the others go I am guessing the war on poverty.
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 09:04
Ah yes, the war on the poor.
09:04
America has more wars than I can even remember.
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Crys 22/03/2021 09:06
It would work if only nebulous concepts know how to surrender.
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 09:06
Those goddamned nebulas
09:07
Next up: The War on Space
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"It's just so big and scary, and look at all that black! I bet you they got oil there."
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"But the ALIENS!"
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"They're saucering in to take yer jerbs!"
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Crys 22/03/2021 09:09
We know how to find space. I am thinking something more like the war on bad taste.
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 09:10
Well that will be self-defeating.
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Crys 22/03/2021 09:10
It always is.
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 09:11
👨‍🚀 🔫 👨‍🚀
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Crys 22/03/2021 09:13
Africa is a very large and diverse continent what part are you from?
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 09:15
South Africa.
09:16
The only part that's at least semi-competent.
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Crys 22/03/2021 09:16
oh that would explain some things
09:18
the history there is interesting if often a bit unfortunate.
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Cheesy Pony 22/03/2021 09:19
Yeah...
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Crys 22/03/2021 09:23
The first thing that got me interested in south African history was the Peter Gabriel song Biko years ago.
09:23
"You can blow out a candle But you can't blow out a fire Once the flames begin to catch The wind will blow it higher"
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Crys 22/03/2021 09:32
I can see why you would be a little sensitive about systemic racial discrimination given just how much more recent such laws were where you live.
09:35
Sorry I got off track talking about your country's shameful history. Lets get back to talking about mine.
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 10:18
It's not history yet, though
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Crys 22/03/2021 10:30
what is not?
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 10:31
Our shameful stuff
10:31
It's still going
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Crys 22/03/2021 10:31
some is some is not
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 10:31
Ok, I guess
10:32
You're right that some is past. I just perceive time really weird
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Crys 22/03/2021 10:35
for example while we still have some of the after effects of true systemic racial discrimination. It is now explicitly illegal instead of enforced by law.
10:38
and I am glad to say has been for my entire life.
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 10:38
Me too
10:40
Though I'm still surprised when I see black ppl bc like 90% of the ppl in my memory are white or vietnamese (edited)
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Crys 22/03/2021 10:41
that is regional.
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 10:41
My brain takes a moment to register that it's a person
10:42
Not regional, I actually knew lots of black ppl as a kid
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Crys 22/03/2021 10:42
I see vary few vietnamese people
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 10:42
I just forgot my entire childhood bc of some trauma
10:43
The vietnamese arent nearby, they're just my sister's father and all of his family that came to the states with him
10:43
They visit
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And I visit at the same time
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There were pictures of some of them before I met them, too
10:44
And my sister is very clearly half-vietnamese
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Crys 22/03/2021 10:45
I realty do not see race by default.
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 10:45
I'm 1/3 Italian, so you can't even tell we share blood
10:45
I see the resemblance to my sister
10:46
I was 17 when I found out she was of a different ethnicity than me
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Crys 22/03/2021 10:46
I learned that my uncle who I grow up with was middle eastern at age 23
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 10:47
I'm not too bright about some things
10:48
I also didn't know that most houses don't have a homemade rice sauce, or race-based products all over the place in the kitchen
10:49
My mom was heavily influenced by her first husband, as far as the kitchen contents
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Crys 22/03/2021 10:49
To give a demographic breakdown I'd need to try to change how I think about people I'v met.
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 10:51
I reflexively compare everything, and stereotypes and tropes stick better than memories
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Crys 22/03/2021 10:51
what is a race-based product?
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 10:51
I also have a -phobic dad
10:51
Rice*
10:52
Stuff made from rice
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Crys 22/03/2021 10:52
oh. is rice not normal?
10:52
we eat a lot of it
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 10:52
Not in America
10:53
I've learned the hard way that not everybody has rice, or knows how to make it (edited)
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Crys 22/03/2021 10:54
odd that is were I live. just get it at the local grocery store
10:56
that said I ended up relearning how to make it
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 10:56
You can here too, in the asian section
10:57
Most ppl, if they bother with the 'ethnic aisle' it's either for chili ingredients or hot sauce (edited)
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Crys 22/03/2021 10:57
the family recipe was not to my taste
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 10:58
I grew up knowing to always rinse half my rice, and use 4 parts rice to 7 parts water
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Crys 22/03/2021 10:59
the family recipe was 1 cup rice to 2 cups water boil till done
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 10:59
My except is broken and doesn't vent like it should, so I've had to adjust for that bc I'm no good at figuring out how often or long I should open it for better venting
11:01
Pot cooking, 1, 3 but this time using the rice paddle(they're meant for ricepots) to ensure nothing sticks to the bottom of the pan
11:02
Boil until there's not enough water, then lower the heat to dry it out without burning it
11:03
If for some reason the rice is cooked before the water is gone, drain before you set it to dry
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I mean dry like not looking wet, there's still plenty of moisture inside
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Crys 22/03/2021 11:12
my new recipe "that I came up with largely thru trial and error" is 1 cup rice 1/2 teaspoon sesame oil 1/4 teaspoon salt 1/4 teaspoon whole cumin seed stir on heat until the rice is opaque then add 2 cups water bring to a boil on hi turn down to mid-low wait till most of the water is absorbed take off heat wait for 2-5 in serve.
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 11:13
Sounds tasty
11:13
Do you ever have it plain?
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Crys 22/03/2021 11:14
with no cumin?
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or with no other food?
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 11:14
With just rice and water
11:15
Also, this might be difference
11:15
I grew up on Jasmine rice, famous for fragrance
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Crys 22/03/2021 11:17
I grew up on just rice and water "the family recipe was 1 cup rice to 2 cups water boil till done" I just did not like it much
11:18
mostly long grain and brown.
11:19
I think I my have had Jasmine once
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 11:19
Yeah, long grain is too bland
11:19
Jasmine is great
11:20
I usually have it with hoisin and fish sauce, but I sometimes have it plain too
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The Shadow
I usually have it with hoisin and fish sauce, but I sometimes have it plain too
Crys 22/03/2021 11:23
now that is a difference the only fish sauce I grew up with is Worcestershire sauce. Heck I do not even know what hoisin is.
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 11:23
I'll take picture
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The Shadow
Yeah, long grain is too bland
Crys 22/03/2021 11:25
Try long grain with my recipe some time.
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 11:30
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Crys 22/03/2021 11:30
the cooking it with oil before adding the water is what gives it that al dente texture.
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 11:31
I will
11:32
I literally just gave away all the long grain in the house, so I'll have to get some more
11:32
This'll be the first time I've ever gotten it intentionally
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Crys 22/03/2021 11:33
that is a bottle of dark brown sauce I'll look it up.
11:36
so a thick slightly spicy soy sauce?
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 11:36
Hoisin sauce
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It is not soy sauce
11:37
I can't handle soy sauce bc it's too salty for it's flavour
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Soy sauce is only good for cooking if you ask me
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Crys 22/03/2021 11:38
Traditionally, hoisin sauce is made using toasted mashed soybeans is the info I got but yes Soy sauce is only good for cooking
11:40
I can use it in place of salt in some recipes.
11:41
mainly in soup
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 11:43
Yeah, soup and stir fry is mostly where I use it
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They may be made from the same plant, but they taste nothing alike
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Crys 22/03/2021 11:47
I do not use it in stir fry but I do make stir fry a fair bit mostly served over rice.
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 11:49
Served over rice is the best way to have stir fry
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Crys 22/03/2021 11:51
curry is also good with rice
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The Shadow 22/03/2021 11:51
Yeah, but I'm no good at making it
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TheyCallMeTrinity 24/03/2021 22:17
So, we went from race discussion to rice cooking. Well, that de-escalated quickly.
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Anyhow, trying to cook stir-fried rice in my cramped kitchen is always kinda a problem, my attempts have always ended with either 100grams of rice in the pot per 300g scattered all over the counter, or burnt-up tank plating on the bottom of my pot. At least I can cook a decent risotto, if stars align with the ingredients...
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The Shadow 24/03/2021 23:06
Um, have you tried a measuring cup?
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Crys 25/03/2021 00:45
Or maybe you are siring it too hard?
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Flutterpony 25/03/2021 10:30
Produce tasted better outside the US except for steak and sometimes chicken unless the ingredients I used came from the home garden. I really need to plant tomatoes this year.
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Cheesy Pony 25/03/2021 17:38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q1Zver84Q4
Second Thought
Why The United States Can't Handle Crises
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Crys 11/04/2021 03:03
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FHX0cqO548
FreedomToons
IDs are RACIST!?!?
03:09
When I leave my home there is a half chance I will need my ID every time.
03:11
Right or wrong everyone in the USA needs ID.
03:12
If some people are having trouble getting one; that is the problem.
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I think we need ID to be free or rethink our entire society.
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It is odd that voting is the only age restricted activity where asking for ID is considered in any way wrong.
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Sapare 11/04/2021 21:54
well, it wasnt considered wrong till relatively recently, but the hivemind establishment left woke up one day and decided to make it their newest pet project. Its like the whole border security, go back not even 10 years and dems said we needed better border security, then somehow they all flipped instantly at the same time.
21:54
Same with war in the middle east, it was bad till they all decided to flip on it, establishment is just one big blob with 0 moral reason for its policies, they all just cynically calculating whatever their "wining" move is. In short, trying to apply reason and logic to the arguments of the establishment hivemind is a lost cause. (edited)
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I am for free ID's though, but thats not their agenda so it wont even come up.
21:56
Should have free passports too, the price of a passport is about 3 times what it was a few decades ago
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It is odd that voting is the only age restricted activity where asking for ID is considered in any way wrong.
TheyCallMeTrinity 19/04/2021 17:44
How much does an ID, with all elements accounted for, cost in the US anyway? Because the reasoning is usually that poor people can't realistically afford it.
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Sapare 20/04/2021 07:43
depends where, i heard some places have free IDs(at least for some people who need them, prob a bunch of beaucracy though) from my experience in canada its around 100 usually. (edited)
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The Shadow 20/04/2021 09:23
I don't know how much usually, but you can get a voucher from dshs that knocks it down to $5
09:25
Iirc, foodstamps=voucher
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Flutterpony 20/04/2021 18:45
I think I pay somewhere around $50USD.
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That's for a driver's license which is broadly used to ID people. Other forms of ID don't cost much more or they cost a significantly less, I believe, though it's been a while since I've gotten any others. For work, I use both a drivers license and an SSID card when I'm newly hired to give my employers what they need. I think, worse than the cost is the bureaucracy which assumes understanding and patience that could discriminate against people with fewer resources or time or deter anyone with learned helplessness.
18:53
I'm thinking of the resources necessary to develop a level of understanding that can get a person through the red tape including formal education and even cultural learning
18:54
I wonder how many are educated on how to use the internet to research while avoiding spam or misinformation.
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Sapare 21/04/2021 03:08
Well, the floyd verdict is in. I'll keep my thought simple. 2nd degree murder is simply an impossible conviction, the case is a joke now and its obvious to everyone that thousands of years of legal evolution has just died to mob rule. (edited)
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Flutterpony 21/04/2021 03:30
It seems to me more states should do away with qualified immunity. Some legal protection for officers is fair, but it goes too far when prosecution isn't possible even with a recorded killing in which the cop is using an incorrect restraint, knowing the risk, and the victim begs for air for nine (9) minutes. (edited)
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Sapare 21/04/2021 04:11
he begged for more then 9 minutes, being he was begging before ever restrained
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and begged to be put in the restrained beforehand
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Flutterpony 21/04/2021 16:27
Begged for air, I should say.
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Oh wait, I did say that originally.
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Burger 22/04/2021 01:56
I mean we know it was really just a show trial anyway, plus the jury were scared to say anything other then guilty or else their families and them would of been at risk
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And if they though saying guilty would stop the riots, then they were wrong
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Flutterpony 22/04/2021 04:46
I've questioned how an unbiased jury could be picked, but if it's true the cop knew the risk of what he was doing, I don't see much room for doubt about the verdict personally. Thankfully, it's not my job to judge in this case. (edited)
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Sapare 22/04/2021 05:42
if it was true he knew the risk its manslaughter. 2nd degree means intent. Unless you believe he had intent to kill, or was attacking floyd as a felon, it wasnt 2nd. Maybe 3rd if you really hate cops.
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At least thats my understanding, 2nd is a pretty high bar to clear, beyond a reasonable doubt.
05:43
in hindsight he been better off tazing floyd and leaving him on the sidewalk, at least he prob wouldnt be going to jail for multiple decades. (edited)
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Flutterpony 22/04/2021 05:56
Intent was for the jury to decide, as far as I'm concerned, but as far as I can tell, he knew the risk, and it was 9 minutes. Observers and the man tried to get him to let him breathe.
05:58
Knowing the risk and perpetuating it for 9 minutes seems to be enough to assume intent, not just manslaughter, unless there were sufficient evidence the victim was alright, maybe.
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Sit and count to nine minutes and imagine yourself cutting off another human's air supply, hearing him beg, etc.
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Flutterpony 22/04/2021 06:09
I think complete disregard for life can be considered equal to willful destruction of life in this particular case.
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Sapare 28/04/2021 03:04
https://odysee.com/@timcast:c9/desantis-scores-major-victory-as-fl:4
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FireTails 28/04/2021 04:51
Less censorship is a good thing, so... huh. gg
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Flutterpony 28/04/2021 16:34
Let's hope it benefits everyone over there. I wonder what the restrictions are, like with lewd content or content glorifying targeted violence. I don't expect those will be an issue, but still.
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Crys 30/04/2021 22:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGG-A80Tl5g
What I've Learned
Eating less Meat won't save the Planet. Here's Why
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Sapare 01/05/2021 15:49
https://youtu.be/IIHbFgIyZXQ?t=321 tragic
America Uncovered
Can We Stop Gun Violence Without Gun Control? | America Uncovered
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The Shadow 01/05/2021 15:56
problem is, gun control can't solve gun violence either way
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FireTails 01/05/2021 20:27
Tell that to countries with basically no guns lol
20:27
Not much gun violence in Japan or Australia compared to the US
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The Shadow 01/05/2021 20:32
you'd have to comb every inch for guns already owned, many of whom are hidden, lost, stolen, or forgotten (edited)
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some of the listed words are extremes, but i've witnessed these things
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FireTails 01/05/2021 21:12
Well, yeah, but instituting government buyback programs will incentivise getting rid of those hidden, or maybe stolen (that ones iffy cause, illegal lol) weapons that people wouldn't just hand over. I think that's way too unrealistic to expect from such a capitalist society lol (edited)
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Personally, I wouldn't hand over my guns even if I was offered doubled what I paid. Maybe triple, but I'd have to be in a good mood.
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Sapare 02/05/2021 16:40
realistically you would at best replace gun violence with a new form of violence. its always interesting people say "these non gun countries don't have gun violence" but don't ever seem to acknowledged that a place like Switzerland also doesn't have gun violence despite having a higher ratio of guns then US. maybe the timestamp i posted above explains why the violence is there, and gives a hint as to why it won't go away if you ban guns.(and then magically take them away from criminals) Likely your stabbings will increase, and to be honest, i rather be shot then stabbed, its much more humane.
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If I be so blunt, the reason US has high violence in my current opinion is the mixing of cultures. Often the countries with low crime seem to be homogeneous societies(such as Japan) while countries that have to deal with a mixture of cultures that clash but are not effectively integrated turn into bloodbaths. Compare Europe of today vs Europe of 20 years ago and its so stark. We used to have low crime, now you have people getting butchered in the street, and what changed is immigration and cultural erosion. This is not even to say one cultures causes it, I just think two cultures in the same place cause it because they clash heads. I wasnt always of this mind but at this point I think globalism and immigration is effectively poison to global stability. (edited)
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Sapare 02/05/2021 16:52
i admit its not completetly universal truth though, canada seems to be fine, at least when it comes to crime and violence, or they do a good job at hiding it. (edited)
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The Shadow 02/05/2021 18:22
it's bc it's not culter-mixing at fault
18:22
it's intolerant ppl
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of which there are a lot
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Sapare 02/05/2021 22:47
but its frequently not the intolerant people committing the brutality. Its usually the minority culture acting out against itself. Even in Europe, while sometimes the crime affects Europeans, frequently they butcher each other and we are just caught in the crossfire. (edited)
22:48
Unless you think we should just be more tolerant of gang rapes and knife fights. In which case I guess yea, if you tolerate all the horrible things that come with a two culture society then it has no issues.
22:52
Its why I am not convinced about Canada, it might just be happening behind closed doors, the population density is A LOT lower and Canadians are amazing at not caring about anything. Looking at the shit with their Corona response, where it can be more extreme and less oppressive than in the US/Europe speaks for that. On one hand I never had someone tell me to put on a mask outside, on other hand a family got dragged from its home for having a celebration on new years on camera and a pastor got dragged to court. People just don't care one way or another, apathy reigns. And that might keep crime quiet. Or maybe there simply is no crime because Canada doesn't really have a dominant culture, just a bunch of independent cultures. Those two are my best guesses.
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The Shadow 02/05/2021 22:59
no, i mean they aren't tolerant of each other
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violence is what happens when you're willing to harm over something
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most times, it can be boiled down to wanting power in some form, or to feel like you have it
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Cheesy Pony 03/05/2021 10:14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC3JmpcmDyQ
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It's Been 100 Days And Joe Biden Still Doesn't Have A Cat
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Sapare 04/05/2021 18:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_THBjQ-uP9A
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Cheesy Pony 08/05/2021 17:52
As someone who was raised in a christian home, brought up with christian morals, this kind of hits hard to hom. I recommend watching to the end for the full picture. >.> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSQ-9xuf0lQ
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Trump's Behavior Caused Americans To Leave The Catholic Church
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Sapare 09/05/2021 00:06
i stoped at 55 sec
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poisoned well. (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 09/05/2021 13:47
So you totally missed the part where he talks about himself, being christain raised, saying that religion in american has become an extension of politics.
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That even though they claim you should shelter the homeless, heal the sick, love thy neighbour, the catholic church in america is doing none of these things.
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They have gilded temples and ministries, all of this wealth that they could have used to help a lot of people, but instead they choose to keep it all to themselves.
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You missed all of that.
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Deleted User 09/05/2021 14:54
Religion has always been an extension of politics
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Sapare 09/05/2021 21:45
So, all the talking point of the reformation? Why not become Protestant then? The answer for true Catholics is already there, but I doubt that is what this about.
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He also must not be very christian being he unabashedly called some he doesn't personally know a horrible human being, christian frown on such broad judgments.
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Sapare 09/05/2021 21:59
But its not about being able to critique religion or not, everything is critiquable ,but if you cant see the the tonal issues he has, well, its just so common with these people today.
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there is no productive discourse if everything you dont like is the devil.
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Flutterpony 10/05/2021 22:25
On that note, everything I don't don't like is non-centrist or unable to compromise for the betterment of society and the sake of human happiness.
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I want to watch that video, but I can't now
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Flutterpony 20/05/2021 12:17
It's no secret I greatly dislike the Chinese government and its willing supporters.. I think we shouldn't have opened trade with China.
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@Mystery Cheese Fiction
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 20/05/2021 13:37
Eh
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China is an evil personality cult.
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But so is America
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Whatever.
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Flutterpony 20/05/2021 15:41
I think the key difference is that China is at best indifferent to its defectors, but usually severe toward them. America, at least partly, actively protects protest and controversial speech within its own land.
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Americans choose to conform for good or evil or not conform. Chinese choose to conform for good or evil or run a much greater risk of dying in the effort to resist than Americans. A government that punishes the consciences of its people is an enemy to God. America may be approaching this, but it's not there yet. (edited)
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I wonder now if immigrants in America can be compared to the Uyghurs. We don't go quite as far as willfully torturing humans and killing them and their children, but I wonder about the specifics of the motivation behind racism in China. (edited)
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Sapare 21/05/2021 03:41
"immigrants in America can be compared to the Uyghurs" You mean illegal ones being there is no evidence that legal ones are mistreated to my knowledge? In which case, you comparing a religious group with criminals. You might not find illegal immigration much of a moral crime, but its currently on the books a federal crime and to many it would be a moral crime. (edited)
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I just think its an apples to oranges comparison, one is a group of people who were conquered and are being actively systematically oppressed for their believes in hope of breeding their identity out of them, the other are random people entering a country and living off the established network being held(often shortly) to establish that they are not leaving their nation because of criminal acts they committed. (edited)
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funny enough NEITHER is about race.
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Uyghurs are not a race. and being an illegal immigrant isn't unique to any race either.
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Flutterpony 21/05/2021 04:56
Swap "racism" for "dehumanizing ethnocentrism." Semantics.
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The ones killing the Uyghurs undoubtedly believe that the religious beliefs of the ones they persecute are immoral and illegal, not dissimilar to illegal aliens crossing US borders. Whether or not either breach of the law is defensible, humans are humans and their life and freedom should remain as long as it's reasonable to accommodate them.
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Sapare 21/05/2021 05:04
the chinese are doing it to integrate land and people. The US are doing it to prevent others from exploiting their already existing land. I would agree with you if the US was occupying Mexico and that is your "immigrants" but they are not, they have all the liberties of life, but nations have the right not to let outsiders in.
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Flutterpony 21/05/2021 05:04
The Chinese government breaks the golden rule unless they're willing to justify their own torture for heeding their own consciences. I take what the Chinese government is doing personally, though I feel helpless to address the issue really (edited)
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Sapare 21/05/2021 05:05
you act like its immoral to call police onto a homeless person invading your home, the immigrants are invading your state by circumventing the legal system and crossing the border. Pretty sure if you tried that in china you just be shot dead on the spot.
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Flutterpony 21/05/2021 05:06
I can imagine the Chinese government has deluded itself into believing they're defending their own against the Uyghurs (edited)
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Sapare 21/05/2021 05:06
sure, but china has a solution, they could simply give up the territory.
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america doesnt, being they are not holding any territory that belongs to the immigrants.
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Flutterpony 21/05/2021 05:07
A US citizen could yield their property to robbers likewise.
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It's a matter of perspective, I mean
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I do see China as having well passed the US in cruelty. I think the US authorities strive for kindness.
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I've heard stories to that effect, though of course there's still error and cruelty (edited)
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Sometimes or often it seems the US authorities are poorly managed or ill prepared but they don't actively try to destroy life and families. They separate them, but they don't use them for literal test subjects and force them into holocaust like chambers
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The cruelty of the Chinese government doesn't stop with other ethnicities or outsiders either. It extends to their own citizens if ever they don't conform. Non-conformism is punished in US culture, but it's nothing compared to the murders committed against the Chinese people. (edited)
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Or if not murder, then the horror of prison work
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This isn't even accounting for child labor in China
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I honestly don't know much about child labor there, only glimpses of the conditions adult prisoners endure.
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TheyCallMeTrinity 27/05/2021 23:10
You could say a lot of China's cruelty towards non-conformists is ingrained sorta as a result of it coming from a background where 99% of the people who nowadays live in cities were just a few decades ago brutally toiling in their fields somewhere in that immense expanse between the Himalayas and Manchuria. "Agricultural, Tamed Death culture" if you will, exacerbated by the presence of a truly oppressive regime. It's not that life is cheap in China, and therefore more prone to be taken away, necessarily because the CCP is uniquely evil or because "lol 1.5 bilion people" (that'd be absurd), but because losing large swathes of your family on a whim is still well within living memory, so there is a lot more desensibilization going on even for people who'd be otherwise inclined to say "this isn't right". Contrast that with how the USA operates, and it becomes apparent that either China masterfully balances the balance between grating propserity and not "rewilding Death", thus also making for more efficient pawns, or they will face issues in dealing with an icnrease in disaffected agents.
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Crys 28/05/2021 01:51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXN5fFPkmo8
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Sapare 04/06/2021 01:44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9txZpF3D3C4
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FireTails 04/06/2021 02:49
It's called some big company who has a vested interest in the study paid a bunch of people to vote down the ban, if this story is true, anyway.
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Sapare 08/06/2021 07:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYCLW_f-qkY
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Sapare 14/06/2021 23:03
https://youtu.be/IDQeJxLIK98?t=955
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a man of wise words
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Flutterpony 15/06/2021 01:17
That un-clickbait title tho.
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Sapare 15/06/2021 16:29
https://youtu.be/MXf0ePCahsk
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Sapare 27/06/2021 18:59
https://youtu.be/X7kU_CmFRDU
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Sapare 27/06/2021 21:32
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8 not really politics
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Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!
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but it might be taken as
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Deleted User 28/06/2021 00:52
I still like Ike
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Flutterpony 28/06/2021 14:01
I think being polite works well depending on the officer or precinct.
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Flutterpony 28/06/2021 14:08
I wish I knew that it worked universally, but I'll defer to the experiences of others. For my part, one officer who pulled me over got some open criticism from my Jordanian friend in the passenger seat which surprised me, and I don't think that helped, but the officer was still very cool to me (a white American without an accent like my friend). Another time, my black friend told me he was pulled over and asked where he was going. He was on the way to meet me for the night shift at a boys boarding school, and the officer seemed like he was going to take him in for reasons that weren't clear until my friend made a call to his wife. When the officer noticed and learned he was talking to his wife, he suddenly just let him go, like he knew he was a good guy or something. (edited)
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Flutterpony 28/06/2021 14:18
The few Italians I've talked to about their police seem to have mixed feelings about their forces, and French media I've seen reinforces the notion that police aren't well trusted. It makes me wonder whether white Americans have a unique take on the trustworthiness of police generally. I know I've trusted authorities more when I've been interviewed as a suspect than I ever want to trust again. Luckily they didn't have evidence on their side, but I was targeted regardless for my sexuality.
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When I say I trusted authorities, I mean I answered every question politely despite being terrified to "help them do their job." I think that's the most anyone can do to gain favor from said authorities, but when you're the suspect, their job is to find reason to bring you with them regardless of race. I seen officers themselves attest to this.
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About the time the authorities asked if I'd take a lie detector test, I said, "that might be a bit much. I'd need to talk to a lawyer," and they seemed to show themselves out after that, since they can't easily use answers given to them after a suspect has cited they want to talk to an attorney. Police are not meant to share exculpatory evidence, therefore, there's good legal reason for people to (politely) avoid talking to police, even if they're not a suspect. This I've heard from an ex-officer. (edited)
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That said, I'm one of the privileged class when I don't openly admit to being minor attracted, so I'm comfortable "helping" police most of the time. I don't think I'd feel that way if I wore my sexual profile on my sleeve, however, despite being innocent.
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Conifer 23/07/2021 03:19
My identity, in a nutshell
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FireTails 23/07/2021 03:33
gun
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gun
Conifer 23/07/2021 03:36
no u
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FireTails 23/07/2021 03:36
If capitalism was real and good I'd have a filly by now S302Nod
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Conifer 23/07/2021 03:37
suuuuuure
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 23/07/2021 04:59
We need Regulated Capitalism, the way it's been going it's just too corrupt. The Rich keep getting more obscenely rich and the poor have no upward mobility at all. It's basically a Caste system in disguise.
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Conifer 23/07/2021 05:09
What we need is educated citizens with a sense of moral integrity. We vote with our wallets every day, and if we show that there is no market for corruption, that we will not forge our own chains, they will have no choice but to stop selling it. Not to mention monopolies violate the NAP
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The Shadow 23/07/2021 05:10
yeah, but ppl don't have that kind of willpower
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in general
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Conifer 23/07/2021 05:12
Just a side effect of collectivist ideology be spoonfed to us practically from birth nowadays
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The Shadow 23/07/2021 05:13
it's herd mentality
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Conifer 23/07/2021 05:13
People need to learn that there is nothing immoral about looking out for yourself. You can't truly fix things while you are broken
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The Shadow
it's herd mentality
Conifer 23/07/2021 05:13
As I said, collectivism
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The Shadow 23/07/2021 05:13
and also the powerful won't give up their power without a fight of some kind
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and your average person doesn't want that kind of attention
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they're scared of the rich
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gtg back to work now, bills need paid
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Conifer 23/07/2021 05:15
Retaliation is well within the NAP. We can never make our lives better by waiting for a hero. In the words of Joshua Graham, "We can't expect God to do all the work"
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Cya
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Flutterpony 23/07/2021 07:27
I don't know the NAP but I feel the vibe. I wish I didn't work for a big company because I've learned corporate politics are inhumane or at best unconcerned with actual people. At the same time, big corporations make things possible that smaller ones could barely hope for. If society could somehow avoid the pitfalls of greed to empower cooperation across many organizations, we might not need capitalism. I'm sure better regulation is due in any case. (edited)
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Conifer 23/07/2021 07:27
NAP Non Aggression Principle
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In short, I will not aggress, but if you aggress me, I will use the full force of my power to stop you
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Flutterpony 23/07/2021 07:29
Gotcha
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Conifer 23/07/2021 07:30
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FireTails 23/07/2021 07:31
I prefer MAP
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Conifer 23/07/2021 07:32
OMG, I just found this and love it
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Flutterpony 23/07/2021 07:36
Ponify all the things!
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Conifer 23/07/2021 07:46
On another note https://youtu.be/dVouaFFMJiI
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How to give a regressive a heart attack (feat. Mark Edge)
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Flutterpony 23/07/2021 07:56
I feel very torn by that video. 😆 😫
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Conifer 23/07/2021 07:57
heh
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Mystery Cheese Fiction
We need Regulated Capitalism, the way it's been going it's just too corrupt. The Rich keep getting more obscenely rich and the poor have no upward mobility at all. It's basically a Caste system in disguise.
Burger 23/07/2021 09:03
Problem with putting in more and more regulations is that it only benefits the big corporations anyway, which is why they push for it
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https://youtu.be/WrTuxc4W8gs
John Stossel
Big Business ❤ Big Government
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Good watch to explain what I mean
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Conifer 23/07/2021 09:09
/s What, you mean the people who pay to make laws do it because they will save money by spending it?
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Burger 23/07/2021 09:17
I like the idea one comment has on that video that politicians should be forced to have the logos of companies stitched onto their suits like NASCAR drivers
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Would really show just how much lobbying is going on
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Crys 23/07/2021 09:20
I like that idea but when do they need to wear it?
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Only as a candidate for office? As long as they are in office? Even in bed?
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The Shadow 23/07/2021 09:24
as long as they're "in bed" with the company
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Crys 23/07/2021 09:24
lol nice
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better to get a few really big donation from just a few companies or they will look like a quilt.
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Conifer 23/07/2021 09:27
Don't agree with all of this guys opinions, but he was a good way of getting me started on my current direction https://youtu.be/mw2z9lV3W1g
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We the People, and the Republic we must reclaim | Lawrence Lessig
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Sapare 23/07/2021 09:35
So nap is pretty much "live and let live"
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the mentality I exist on. As long as our action affects only ourselves it is a legal action. If it affects someone else that person (or their representative) should have to make a case to how direct harm is committed, otherwise its legal. (edited)
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Admittedly, considering we live in a society where "misgendering" is borderline a crime "proving" anything is irrelevant now. Reality is that no matter how reasonable a philosophy, it can't change unreasonable people. (edited)
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Conifer 23/07/2021 09:40
yeah
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but, we don't have to associate with them
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We care about the people we like. When they get agressed we are agressed by extension. We care about that person, and them being harmed harms us. We stand by our own
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Sapare 23/07/2021 09:42
Yea, but they won't allow others to stand in their way, and even a passive alternative will be "in their way" sooner or later. So, while I personall believe NAP is just and the right way to live. I admit that I don't think it alone can survive. You need people to be willing to step outside of NAP to create a circumstance in which NAP can exist.
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Conifer 23/07/2021 09:42
If people continuously be unreasonable, we stop associating with them, and it's not on us to help them after they dig heir own grave
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Nah, if they try to remove us, they have violated it and we can protect ourselves and our people
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They just have to make the first strike
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We will make the last
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kinda the whole point of the second amendment
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Sapare 23/07/2021 09:47
yea, but what if they remove everyone else first. The problem is that NAP can only react, and there is a reason even nations prefer surprise attacks. A minority can beat almost any odds as long as they strike first. NAP could survive, but with all I seen, I think if western libertarian ideals are to survive its because of people willing to become the monsters they are trying to stop. Ultimately not set in stone though, and for the time peace still reigns. But look at what they did to Trump supporters, or those generals in France, the AFD in germany, etc, playing by the rules so far has only created martyrs.
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Conifer 23/07/2021 09:48
"If they remove everyone else first" Attacking our allies is attacking us. We are well within our rights to fight back. Not only do we protect our own rights, but the rights of those who will protect ours
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We just need to get on friendlier with other groups
09:49
and stop propogating the idea that all libertarians are self-serving assholes
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Sapare 23/07/2021 09:49
idk, considering the mass carnage and the political prosecutions, the slandering of people and groups, the street execution of that trump supporter last year.
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a lot of people have been culled or brought to such a point of fear that they are no allies of liberty.
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Sapare
idk, considering the mass carnage and the political prosecutions, the slandering of people and groups, the street execution of that trump supporter last year.
Conifer 23/07/2021 09:50
Yeah, it disheartens me to see what my city has become
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Sapare 23/07/2021 09:50
which?
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Conifer 23/07/2021 09:51
Portland
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Sapare 23/07/2021 09:51
ouch
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Conifer 23/07/2021 09:51
Hell, for the past few months I have been removing "houseless antifa, Portland radicals collective" stickers from my neighborhood
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Sapare 23/07/2021 09:51
dont get yourself hurt
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Conifer 23/07/2021 09:51
they have responded by not just replacing the stickers
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Sapare 23/07/2021 09:52
we need sane minds to reign when all this is over.
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Conifer 23/07/2021 09:52
but by getting a whole new line of stickers as well
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Sapare 23/07/2021 09:52
Even if I am disheartened and believe NAP wont survive on its own, I always hold out hope NAP can reign when the dust settles.
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The Shadow 23/07/2021 09:53
personally, i'm more saddened watching my city refuse to help remove white supremacist ppl in positions of power and the fact the city is gentrifyin downtown
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Conifer 23/07/2021 09:53
I felt pretty ninja when I removed one that had been up for all of 15 seconds while still within 10 feet of the person who put it up and they didn't notice me
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Sapare 23/07/2021 09:53
Its the people in the center who are most valuable when peace talks come around.
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The Shadow
personally, i'm more saddened watching my city refuse to help remove white supremacist ppl in positions of power and the fact the city is gentrifyin downtown
Conifer 23/07/2021 09:53
Which city?
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The Shadow 23/07/2021 09:53
it's hard enough paying rent without the bills going up. i'm on min. wage
09:53
Olympia
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Conifer 23/07/2021 09:53
Yeah, imagine how I feel on SSDI
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oofers
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Sapare 23/07/2021 09:53
ssdi?
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Conifer 23/07/2021 09:54
Social Security Disability Insurance
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Conifer
Hell, for the past few months I have been removing "houseless antifa, Portland radicals collective" stickers from my neighborhood
The Shadow 23/07/2021 09:54
antifa?
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Conifer 23/07/2021 09:54
Since my full SSI hasn't been approved yet (just my ssdi) I make $699 a month
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The Shadow
antifa?
Conifer 23/07/2021 09:54
Antifa is a portmanteau of Anti and Fascist
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Sapare 23/07/2021 09:55
primarly the guys burning down stuff and killing people last year. Aka, the fist to BLM's words, imo. (edited)
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The Shadow 23/07/2021 09:55
except for being radicals, that almost sounds like a good thing
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Conifer 23/07/2021 09:55
Fortunately I have a roommate who is a manager and is willing to pay more than half of the rent so he doesn't need a lot of roommates
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The Shadow
except for being radicals, that almost sounds like a good thing
Conifer 23/07/2021 09:56
If your entire identity is anti-something, you really need to ask what you are for
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The Shadow 23/07/2021 09:56
you are for fighting
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not mre, though
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Conifer 23/07/2021 09:56
Yes but I fight for things, not against them
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The Shadow 23/07/2021 09:56
i'm not a fighter of anything
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Conifer 23/07/2021 09:57
Then people will always walk over you
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The Shadow 23/07/2021 09:57
you have to interact with them for that, usually
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Conifer 23/07/2021 09:58
nah fam
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Sapare 23/07/2021 09:58
honestly, the moment someone calls himself an "anti" something you should just generally be weary. Imagine a guy walking up and saying he is anti-conman.
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Conifer 23/07/2021 09:58
heh
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seems sus
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I am anti snake oil!
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The Shadow 23/07/2021 09:59
to be anti- is highly dependnt on your methods and on the thing you're aainst
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Sapare 23/07/2021 09:59
Anyway, while we all whine finances, i am stuck jobeless in canada since the lockdowns started and my gov wont give me a cent anymore.
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Conifer 23/07/2021 09:59
oofers
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Sapare 23/07/2021 09:59
so, yay life.
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Conifer 23/07/2021 10:00
Yep! 10/10 would recommend to friends or family
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Only because I have no friends and hate my family
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Sapare 23/07/2021 10:01
i think, to boil down the problem with being "anti" is that it implies you are actively crusading against something. And the worse something is you picked to anti(like antifascist) the more liberty you give youreslf to oppose that evil. So I think the scale of what you anti actually gets worse the bigger the enemy is.
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Conifer 23/07/2021 10:01
yeah....
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anything becomes acceptable when purging evil
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The Shadow 23/07/2021 10:02
like i said, methods
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Conifer 23/07/2021 10:03
eh, even methods only apply at first
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it is a slippery slope
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just look at Joshua Graham in Fallout New Vegas
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The Shadow 23/07/2021 10:03
methods always matter
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Conifer 23/07/2021 10:03
they matter, but they never stick
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Sapare 23/07/2021 10:03
it depends I think, that is where individualism comes in. Not every antifia is a murdering phycho. Though likely the moral ones have distanced themselves.
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Even KKK members can face reality that they were wrong and turn out to be good guys.
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so we should be carful to always remember the human element.
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Conifer 23/07/2021 10:04
Yeah. Though I have little faith in my city anymore
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Last summer I did an experiment
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Sapare 23/07/2021 10:04
also, fallout NV is very good.
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Conifer 23/07/2021 10:05
It was about a month into the rioting, and I walked from about as far north as you can get in the city to the center of downtown carrying a US flag
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I never said anything, the most I did was a nod of my head or a wave of the flag
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The whole time I watched people's reactions to me
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The Shadow 23/07/2021 10:06
i have negative memories with the flag
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Sapare 23/07/2021 10:06
i mean, that one guy's house they threatened to burn down for having a US flag.
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so, balsy.
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Conifer 23/07/2021 10:06
So, as I walked, all hispanics that reacted did so positively (edited)
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The Shadow 23/07/2021 10:07
i prefer to think of usa as an image of the states instead. less stressful to think about
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Conifer 23/07/2021 10:07
Most people of african descent looked at me confused, but not necessarily distrustfully
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until I got to dowtown about 70 percent of reactions were from caucasian people
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and they were about 50/50 on whether they were positive
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but the moment I entered downtown, things changed
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except for one person, all reactions were from caucasians, and except for that one, they were all extremely negative
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halfway across the bridge into downtown I had six white guys glaring at me like I was Satan himself
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but
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it was downtown where I got my greatest reaction of approval
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Sapare 23/07/2021 10:09
Flags are weird. I am not american I am Canadian/German. But I feel no love for either of my nations flag. Idc about canada as a nation much, its a whatever country. And I actively dislike the German republic, and so I don't care for our flag. But I understand the value and emotions people put into a flag and while it should be legal to burn or besmirch it, it should be a very careful action because you are in a way attacking some peoples deepest passions. In a way flags are religiou symbols.
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Conifer 23/07/2021 10:09
From a black security officer
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The unrest last summer wasn't about things that disproportionately affect racial minorities, it was about economics
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think about it
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how many successful black people have you seen?
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How many hispanics?
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Asians?
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but how many successful poor people do you see?
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But the moment I pointed out class struggle, typically communism 101, I was a "racist"
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and "no better than those maga hat wearers"
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Sapare 23/07/2021 10:13
its complicated. there are a million factors for why minorities fail to even out with majority in many(but not all, look at asian) cases. Its not always racism, and not even always fixable. Resources are better spend fixing the economic position as a whole, which lifts every strata up, and giving the minority the chance to raise themselves up.
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Sapare 23/07/2021 10:20
But I be honest, I have little faith a mixed society approach really works. Most countries in history have been primary dominated by one type of people. Even famous rich multicultural nations usually only have the outsiders be there to do trading, not have their permanent home and identity there. I don't think its a race thing, its cultural. The moment your culture is different from the cultural norm it will create pain points, which naturally reflect your income, work position, and spirals from there. So the more culturally adjusted you are the easier for you to be profitable and average wealth, and the further away you are from it the more it tends to lean away.(unless the gov is actively empowering you, or you are a vital resource like english teachers in china/japan) But that means you can only have a stable, and equal, multiracial society if their cultures are at least somewhat even. The more you encourage cultural diversity and different views on reality and the world the more it creates instability) I realize that as a individualist(or libertarian if you wish), that might be contrary to how I live, but make point that I never advocate for oppression or harm, I am simply pointing out a reality of the world. I am openly pedophilic and am not under illusions that it does not reduce my chances of success in an society that is very against that. Inequality will be there if we decide to diverge from the primary culture, its called personal responsibility. (edited)
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Conifer 23/07/2021 10:21
Mhm. I am a firm believer in a shared culture. It is culture that brings us our morals, and lets us see the humanity in those around us
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I was raised poor
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I will never understand the people whose parents paid for them to go to college
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and then complain about the injustice of the world
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they are a different culture
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Even though I was raised a socialist pagan (and I mean both of those literally)
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I will never understand their view
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because that is a world I have never seen
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and hopefully never will
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Conifer 23/07/2021 12:22
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Flutterpony 23/07/2021 15:03
I think that while representative democracy is vulnerable to the growth of factions, it's the best option for people, whether the people are poor, rich, minority, majority, honest or corrupt. Suffering or prosperity are most frequently self-caused rather than inflicted. On a large scale, pure democracy starts to be too disorganized and fails especially in the face of crisis. Socialism, and dictatorships corrupt easily. Libertarianism, like socialism, seems to work on paper but I have the feeling it fails being practical by either over-complication or disunity. Representative democracy takes the stability of dictatorships and strives to combine it with the flexibility of libertarianism and the common interest of socialism. It does this partly because it ideally allows all political leanings to exist and promote themselves, but, we've seen, it's not immune to polarization. When many start to think they're right and the votes shouldn't matter, it creates unrest and political gridlock, even with a centrist leader. Bless Biden.
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This was an interesting video. You can ignore the bias easily enough or enjoy the humor as I do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLJsZeF2TJg
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Is the Republican Party Okay? - SOME MORE NEWS
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I appreciated the criticism of Biden therein, but I don't blame Biden.
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I love Romney personally, though not as much as Biden.
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I do see Biden making valuable progress in every way he's able, like working with the FCC. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/07/biden-urges-fcc-to-undo-pais-legacy-but-it-cant-until-he-picks-a-third-democrat/ Deadlock isn't something Biden alone can just fix.
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I think that while representative democracy is vulnerable to the growth of factions, it's the best option for people, whether the people are poor, rich, minority, majority, honest or corrupt. Suffering or prosperity are most frequently self-caused rather than inflicted. On a large scale, pure democracy starts to be too disorganized and fails especially in the face of crisis. Socialism, and dictatorships corrupt easily. Libertarianism, like socialism, seems to work on paper but I have the feeling it fails being practical by either over-complication or disunity. Representative democracy takes the stability of dictatorships and strives to combine it with the flexibility of libertarianism and the common interest of socialism. It does this partly because it ideally allows all political leanings to exist and promote themselves, but, we've seen, it's not immune to polarization. When many start to think they're right and the votes shouldn't matter, it creates unrest and political gridlock, even with a centrist leader. Bless Biden.
Conifer 23/07/2021 20:08
I personally lean towards jean Jacques Rousseau's idea that he proposed in the book the social contract. He posits that there is no perfect system of government, and that what type of government is necessary depends on multiple factors, including the size, geography, and resource production of a nation. These ideas hold up to some scrutiny, and in our world we can see places where putting in a representative democracy hasn't worked so well. For example in the middle east. For representative democracy to function you need a cohesive cultural identity beyond just tribalism and you need people who will willingly accept losses. Not to mention when the majority of people are of one religious majority and separation of church and state aren't really a thing...
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Honestly the middle east would function a lot better as a constitutional monarchy, even if not permanently
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After a cohesive identity was established a representative democracy could potentially be viable
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Katie 23/07/2021 21:22
Hmm, I don't agree with you there. For starters, how would a constitutional monarchy covering the whole of the Middle East work? They have monarchies of their own
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Deleted User 23/07/2021 21:23
The middle east isn't one cohesive unit. The only way of having something like that working is through total cultural and ethnic unification, and good luck ever making something like that work
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Katie 23/07/2021 21:24
What Al Solae said.
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Deleted User 23/07/2021 21:25
That's the kind of shit China is trying to do, and it's a humanitarian fucking nightmare
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Conifer 23/07/2021 21:25
I meant individual ones in the places we set democracies up
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Deleted User 23/07/2021 21:30
The borders that were drawn in the middle east should have never been drawn to begin with, regardless of what you meddle with in terms of the power structure or system of government, you'll never be able to overcome the inherent instability that those original borders caused
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Flutterpony 23/07/2021 21:56
I don't think a monarchy will likely solve what democracy can't for disunity among people. I imagine a monarchy making disunity worse or at best only slightly better than representative democracy with added vulnerability to corruption or ethnocentric policy.
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Katie 23/07/2021 22:24
Yep, the UK's monarchy is only around because people know that only in the rarest, most exceptional cases (like a fascist coup or something) would the Queen do something
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Deleted User 23/07/2021 22:29
Nah, the Queen sticks around because it attracts tourists
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If she actually tried to do anything the entire royal family would be gone, emergancy or not
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The queen is not a fit ruler, nor are any of the royal family. Parliament is barely better, but still
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Katie 23/07/2021 22:31
I don't get how anyone can vote for the Tories.
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Deleted User 23/07/2021 22:31
Because the Tories make people think that they have to
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Also because right now Labour just kinda sucks
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Also the Green party just serves to suck votes away from Labour
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I think
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Might be the Lib Dems but I'm fairly sure it's the Greens that do that
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The weird third party that clings on like a tumour and gets like 15% of the vote
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Katie 23/07/2021 22:33
I've never liked the Lib Dems because of the whole "going back on their promise about tuition fees" thing (edited)
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Deleted User 23/07/2021 22:34
I've never liked any of the parties because none of them are libertarian enough
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This country barely has freedom of speech
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Katie 23/07/2021 22:36
I hope I'm not being a bother, but would you mind providing examples?
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Deleted User 23/07/2021 22:38
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/19374861.govanhills-pink-peacock-director-charged-complaints/
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Here's an example
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Saying fuck the police can get you fucking arrested
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It seems to be a bigger issue in Scotland in particular
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But it's something that exists in England and Wales too
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Can't speak for Northern Ireland though
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The hate crime laws in the UK are kind of attrocious
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Plus we don't have any kind of law permitting actual free speech like the US has, so we don't have a defence against shit like that
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Katie 23/07/2021 22:54
I'm baffled by the charging. On another note, I remember seeing on the news how a nasty neo-Nazi guy was in court for not only promoting hatred but also for having lolicon stuff. That's nowhere the same as the real thing and it's a shame one of the court's charges related to that. (edited)
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Deleted User 23/07/2021 22:54
Both of those things are illegal in the UK
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Lolicon is illegal
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Katie 23/07/2021 22:55
Not in Scotland, or Northern Ireland, I think. (edited)
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Deleted User 23/07/2021 22:55
It's illegal in the entire UK, I believe
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Katie 23/07/2021 22:56
The law mentions England and Wales, from what I remember
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Deleted User 23/07/2021 22:56
Unfortunately I live in England
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Katie 23/07/2021 22:57
There was a guy who got in trouble twice, the first time for having realistic computer-generated stuff and the second time for having lolicon stuff. He didn't have any of the real stuff and frankly the police needed to spend more time dealing with actual dangers
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Deleted User 23/07/2021 22:59
It's still illegal and will get you into a lot of trouble though
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I've got to go to court in exactly a month from today, and we'll see if I get let off like they did.
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Katie 23/07/2021 23:01
Wait, are you in trouble for that?
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Really sorry to hear about that.
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Deleted User 23/07/2021 23:01
It has made my life hell for over a year now
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Katie 23/07/2021 23:03
What a bunch of idiots the police, court, etc are.
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Deleted User 23/07/2021 23:04
It is what it is
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Make sure you know what you're doing is legal or not, and never assume you're too safe cos you aren't
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Katie 23/07/2021 23:06
Yep, agreed.
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FireTails 23/07/2021 23:19
Luckily it's not illegal in the US, go freedom!
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Katie 23/07/2021 23:26
There was a proposal in the UK to ban stories, but that didn't happen (although a guy did get into trouble for writing stories that were based on real people, and for having illegal stuff)
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Luckily it's not illegal in the US, go freedom!
Katie 23/07/2021 23:27
There was a lady in the US who got into trouble for running a story website, though, sadly.
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FireTails 24/07/2021 00:30
Boorus are a thing 🤷‍♂️ plus 'works of our own' let's you write all underage
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The Shadow 24/07/2021 00:35
works of our own?
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dym Archive of our Own?
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Katie 24/07/2021 00:40
AO3 does, yep, and will no matter how many times the antis moan about it
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Katie 24/07/2021 00:51
Seriously, it's sadly pretty niche on AO3. So honestly, the antis are being idiots again
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dym Archive of our Own?
FireTails 24/07/2021 01:17
Yeah that sorry. I don't frequent it enough to memorize it.
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:19
Just because it bugs me, we did't draw the majority of middle eastern borders. The nations were that way under the Ottoman, the only redraw of borders to my knowledge was the whole Palastine/isreal thing. Also, the middle east was united under the ottomans which was one monarchy, so there is prove it can work. (edited)
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:19
It worked until the Ottomans became a shambling husk
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:19
Reality is that it was more stable under the Ottomans than it has been ever since... we should have left them in charge.
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they became a husk because we destroyed them, every empire grows and wanes but the west saw the weakness and decided to rip it apart, which is only natural but still, if you want peace in the middle east, don't oppose a new ottoman regime.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:21
It was France and the UK primarily that divided up the regions after the fall of the Ottomans, dividing the land for political power without regard for the people within those borders
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:21
there is no evidence toward democracies bringing peace, contrary to that, monarchies have historically lived longer and been more stable.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:21
Dictatorships are also stable, but that doesn't mean they are good
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Stability is desirable, but not the only desirable factor
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:22
depends on which you mean, because most have not been stable
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100 years is nothing in a countries livetime
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and china has been on the brink of collapse multiple times
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:22
The more cruel the ruler, the more stable the dictatorship
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Coups happen because the ruler is weak, and because the new ruler promised more
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:23
eh, i dont see the evidence to it. Suppression is a short term solution to prevent revolution but it does not erase bad blood.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:23
And that more only comes at the cost of cruelty towards the people
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It's not just supression, it's the destruction of infrastructure
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People will find ways to revolt, and they do, but when they're successful that only brings a new dictator
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:25
if you call everything a dictator, sure.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:25
A transfer of power is inevitible in any system of ruling
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A dictatorship is a fairly specific thing
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:25
but there are dictatorships that turned into democracies
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so its not a foregone conclusion.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:26
There are some that try to look like democracies, and there are some that are genuinely moving towards democracy
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But that's because the source of power that makes dictatorships last is drying up. If they wanna stay in power, they can't stay a dictator forever
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:26
anyway, the point was that people said you can't cure the middle east with monarchy, despite history proving that you can.
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but it wouldnt be our monarchy, its up to them to figure it out.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:27
If you went from Ottomans to another empire or monarchy, then sure. That might have resulted in a more prosperous, more stable middle east
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But that didn't happen
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:27
I just pointed out that from my knowledge neither UK nor france drew any new borders(outside of palastine), they simply took over the administration from the Ottomans.
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its not a problem of new borders (unlike in africa) the borders are actually sensible, its a problem of neverending meddling in internal affairs.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:28
The Paulet Newbombe agreement between France and Britain defined the borders of Jordan and Syria, and Iraq and Syria
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:28
We are still responsible but the border argument always comes over as a simplification, as a "its done and its bad but now we cant fix it"
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When in reality it tends to be a continuous effort of us.
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Those places were stable 40 years ago.
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there are still videos showing iraq becoming civilized and modern
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:29
The middle east is far more civilised than most people in the west realise
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Katie 24/07/2021 02:30
Agreed, it's not all bombings and executions
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:30
than they can stay in the middle east and figure themselves out. and we stay in the west.
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we shouldnt need to be involved.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:30
We shouldn't be involved
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We shouldn't have been involved to begin with
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:30
agreed
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:31
But that's the outcome of imperialism
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Katie 24/07/2021 02:31
Hm, there's a difference between, say, the Iraq War and intervening to stop, say, ISIS.
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:31
the greatest european crime is our last 100 years in the middle east.its like picking at the scabs of a wound and never letting it heal
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:31
ISIS wouldn't exist without the Afghan war
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That was straight up the fault of the US
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:33
Isis could have formed a new stable society maybe. We only saw it at its inception and its more ruthless. Likely they be crushed or integrated eventually but there is no evidence to say that if we hadn't left them alone the middle east wouldn't have found a solution to it itself. ultimately its self determination.
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that said, they gone, we can leave now...
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:33
We should leave, but then we lose out on the oil so the government is still gonna find excuses to keep fighting
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Katie 24/07/2021 02:34
Sapare, I really, really don't think so. ISIS hates anything that isn't them. If they had won, they would have encouraged other jihadist movements and continued making the life of the people under their regime a misery
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:34
i do believe the middle east can figure itself out and become stable(if maybe not prosperous) again. The land is fine and the people are not that different tbh, they have much of the same history and philosophy.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:35
The land in the middle east is fantastic, actually. They are already quite properous in many ways, they're just a little handicapped due to the west fucking everything up all the time
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:35
Ironically I actually think we should never have left africa, I don't see that continent(southern, north africa like egypt is fine) ever stabilizing. I know everyone is anti colonialism these days but their lifes were likely better 100 years ago, at least in the not poorly run colonies.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:36
Well that's a kind of terrible take
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Collonialism fucking destroyed africa
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:36
nah, it was a wasteland before we came
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:36
Lmao
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:36
its always been
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:36
Said like someone who knows jack shit about africa
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:37
what was their technological state when we arrived? How many large cities did they have?
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:37
If you define success by large cities, then they didn't have many
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But they had a better standard of living than you expect
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:38
cities are a common definer to show the evolution of a countries technological level, being able to live in close proximity takes scientific progress and efficency in lande usage.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:38
Their state of technology was good enough that they were performing c-cections on their women hundreds of years before doctors from Europe stole the idea from them
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You don't need big cities to have skilled surgeons and fine tools
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Cities are a common defining trait in the west
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Specifically in America
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:39
if you want to make an argument for low tech live being better than high tech life, I am fine with that. And by that logic yea, maybe they were happier. Just as a secluded island tribe can be happier, but sadly it seems pandora's box can not be closed again and its not as though they want to go back to tribal society.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:39
Because it's big and empty
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Africa is even bigger
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You know absolutely nothing about Africa. They don't live in tribes
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Tribalism was a thing Britain invented so they could control them
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:40
africa simply does not have the environment or economy to sustain itself efficiently, they only function as a colonial nation that can supply them with the goods they can not efficently produce. Africa is rich in valuables but is not well rounded and more often than not lacks the ability to produce the base goods needed.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:40
They needed a power structure to control the populations
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:40
ok, if africa is self sustainable
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why are they all chinese puppets now?
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willingly
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:41
That's the first I've heard of this
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Got a source for that claim?
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:41
https://www.heritage.org/asia/report/chinas-influence-africa-implications-the-united-states
China's Influence in Africa: Implications for the United States
Amid growing concerns about the People's Republic of China's burgeoning influence around the globe, Beijing has now set its sights on Africa. China's interest in Africa is not new. In the 1960s and 1970s, Beijing's interest centered on building ideological solidarity with other underdeveloped nations to advance Chinese-style communism and on rep...
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you can look it up more yourself
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:42
No, that's not how that works. You make a claim, you provide sources
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You had to have heard that information somewhere, and if there is more than one source you should provide it
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:42
i jsut posted
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a source
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but i am not going to scour the web. (edited)
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:43
Yeah, but by telling me to look it up more myself you're implying that there are more sources
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Unless you based that claim on a single source
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Which is poor research
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:43
you do you
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but china been investing massively into buying up africa and effectively turning them into new serf states. Because they can supply them with things africa can't produce themselvse. Africa is better producing diamonds and ivery and then selling them to other nations for food than making its own food.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:44
This isn't a source
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This is a conservative think tank
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:45
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/mandarin-language-courses-africa-intl/index.html
China's influence in Africa grows as more young people learn to spe...
Inside a brightly-lit classroom, around 20 schoolchildren are enthusiastically singing the Chinese national anthem. But the school is in Kenya.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:45
This thing is dripping with bias
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:45
here
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have a left think tank
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:45
These are two completely different things that they are reporting on
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I dunno if you know this but learning Manndarin is on the rise all over the world
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:45
and if you scroll down
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it shows their investmetn in loans
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has skyrocketed
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also
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhMAt3BluAU
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Trump's Biggest Failure
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was the place i first heard about the africa china thing
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:46
Yeah but it's not making claims that they're turning african countries into puppet or vassal states or whatever
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Just because China sees the potential in Africa and is acting on it
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:47
https://youtu.be/hhMAt3BluAU?t=2556
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timestamped version
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:47
The rest of the West should do well to also invest in Africa
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:47
so in short
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yes, africa can't sustain itself without outside infulence.
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and you agree you just hate the term colonialism
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cool
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:48
Well, as a continent maybe
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But Africa is a big continent
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:48
i said, north africa is fine, they been fine for ages.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:48
Indevidual countries within Africa can easily sustain themselves
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:48
south africa was kinda ok(the country) but they ruined that rather impressively fast.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:48
I dunno, South Africa is pretty prosperous
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:48
but central africa is enviormentaly terrible for self sustaining of any sizable population.
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yea, besides the famines and the violence that errupted recently
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:49
Central Africa isn't the best, for sure
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But along the horn of Africa, that's pretty great
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Ethiopia is doing fantastically
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Cote d'Ivoire is doing well, Liberia is doing pretty good
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Tunisia is doing fantastic
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Egypt is still Egypt
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:50
most of those are north africa
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though liberia and Cote d'Ivoire count
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the point wasnt all of africa, overal those land masses are still tiny %. But many of the painpoints usually talked about are ot doing wel
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and likely will never do well unless an outside nation subsidies them
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and hey, maybe they'll prove me wrong in time.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:51
Ethiopia has routinely refused any and all outside influence
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:51
yea, they are a legendary state
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:51
In fact, Ethiopia was the only country in Africa to not be affected by collonialism
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Fantastic how that works
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When you don't fuck shit up, it doesn't get fucked up
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:52
they were also completetly differnt culture with a different historic and scientific background if I am not wrong.
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they have always been an outlier.
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also they were colonized, itally did conquer them
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:52
Same can be said about all of the African states
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:52
they fine anyway
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:52
Pffft
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Italy did not
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Don't lie to yourself
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:52
itally occupied them
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:52
They didn't
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:52
?
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:52
They really really didn't
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They said they did, but they lied to the ruler of Ethiopia, then they had a war, and they lost
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And then they stole a national monument and claimed victory
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Italy ate shit
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:53
they won the war and took the territory? I am not saying they fought well but its illogical to say they didn't take the territory and occupy it.
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it was short lived but not because of ethiopia
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mind you, i admire ethopia, but itally lost that land to the UK
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not to ethiopia
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:54
Ethiopia remained entirely independant throughout the entirety of the collonial period
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Italy tried
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Italy failed
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:54
it had italian armies in it when ww2 started
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:54
And Italy is ashamed of it
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:55
anyway, this is such a tangent.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:56
Africa is great. Countries should support Africa more, because sooner or later they're going to catch up with the West
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:56
ethopia is fine but its also nothing like its surrounding territories, its closer to a middle eastern state than african. Its also by the niel and nothing like most of africa in its enviorment. Which doesnt disaude their sucesses but they are not a good example of africa becoming a self sustainning contient.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:56
Ethiopia is nothing like the middle east
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Katie 24/07/2021 02:56
I remember reading in a book how companies should invest in Africa, because as Al Solae said they're catching up with the West.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:56
Ethiopia contains the source of the Nile
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Which is causing quite a stir between Ethiopia, Sudan, and Egypt
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Because they're building a really big dam to help power the country
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And Egypt is pissed
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The ruling powers in Egypt actually said they would go so far as to blow up the dam if they kept construction going
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Cos that thing is gonna be really big
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:58
cool, let them have local squables, its their right.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:58
That's not some local squabble
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That's Egypt threatening terrorism against Ethiopia for building a hydroelectric dam (edited)
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Sapare 24/07/2021 02:59
and ethiopia possibly starving a million people.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 02:59
Would you consider it a little squabble if Mexico tried to blow up the wall along the US Mexico border?
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:00
whatever, let them fight each other, its how the world moves forward and figures itself out. but i guess its fine if we move on from the topic. Obviously not going to change minds here.
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and yes, if Us and mexico went to war it be a local squable, it happened before.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:00
You have a really fucked perception of reality
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:00
as for africa catching up, i guess i'll believe it when i see the evidence. Though considering the west is going backwards, maybe we'll catch up to them instead. I don't think there is anything more productive for me to add, you point to some nations, mostly northern ones, they good so africa good, i point to the 90% of landmass that is is an state of anarchy, whatever. (edited)
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:01
Define forwards before you talk about going backwards
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:02
social stability, rights of individuals, economic strength, environmental sustainability, self sustainability.
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core things needed for a nation to function prosper.
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the west been going downhill on it for a few decades now, so maybe we join africa, would serve us right. (edited)
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:03
That's where you're wrong, save for the stability side of things
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As far as stability goes, things always tend to move towards a more stable outcome
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Because that's just how stability works
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:03
eh?
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things move toward choas
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entropy
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:03
But that's now how people work
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:03
if things moved toward stability than we still be romans
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makes no sense, every nation has a lifetime, not the other way around.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:03
The thing about entropy is that it's a universal law, not a local one
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Locally, things can move towards order and stability
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And that doesn't violate the laws of entropy
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Otherwise the world wouldn't exist
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:04
it wont
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:04
The universe would already just be a homogenous cloud of dust
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But it does exist
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:04
in the blink of a galactic eye
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:04
It won't exist forever
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Because entropy
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But for now, and for a long time, it will
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:04
we are not moving toward stability
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stability is an outlier to be protected
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:05
We are moving towards stability, and then to instability, and then to stability once more
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:05
people work to create stability, not the other way around.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:05
Exactly
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And there are people involved
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So expect stability
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:05
but the point is, it takes effort, its an active action to be taken.
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if you want instability all you have to do is idle. (edited)
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and idle the west has been
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for about a whole generation
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:06
True
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:06
no one trusts the systems because the systems have not kept themselves greased
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:06
And now things are a little tense, and everyone knows that something has to happen
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And something will chance, and something new will come out of it
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And guess what
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It'll probably be stable
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:06
also, i am not oblvious to your crude remark about me earlier, i just wont engage in pettiness.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:07
You do though
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It doesn't reflect on your character in any way
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You could see the world the way you do for any number of reasons
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You're a victim of your own biases just like anyone else is
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:09
don't you think its hypocritical to be anti middle east interventionism but then call every other conflict a massive deal and act like it requires intervention? I am consistent. If euthopia and egypt want to fight, they can fight as much as Iran and Saudi.
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or the US and mexico.
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nothing fucked up with a consistant moral code
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:09
At no point did I say that any conflict required intervention
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:09
than its a local squable and irrelevant for us to make a big deal about, most of all when nothing has come of it.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:10
Apathy is why your view of the world is fucked
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:10
you obviously on the ethopian side of the argument, I am just staying neutral because i know the moment you pick a side you will find yourself pulled toward interventionalism. (edited)
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:10
I'm not on the Ethiopian side
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I'm happy for the country and how it has prospered, and I know that the dam will help a lot
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But Egypt has genuine concerns about how filling the resevoir will affect the Nile and how it will affect Egypt as a whole
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:11
i am not even apathetic, i just believe in self determination.
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and not getting my hands into everyones pies.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:11
The Nile is a core part of the Egyptian identity, and it is solely relied on by a majority of Egyptian industries
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Egypt has every rite to be upset and to threaten action against Ethiopia, even though they promise to fill the resevoir as slowly as they can afford to
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:12
i am much more invested in conflicts that actually reflect on my place in the world, like china/hong kong. Than a conflict that no matter the resolution is unlikely to affect me, and so i should have no say on its outcome.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:13
I have no say on the outcome either, and I don't plan on it
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:13
but really, i jsut find it funny you stoop to insults despite the fact that half the topics we agreed on.
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it shows insecurity.
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very "my way or the highway"
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:13
You're probably right
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I shouldn't be so sure that the way I see things is any more correct than any other
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But you do show a lot more of your own biases than most people do, and you remain incredibly sure of them while you do
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:15
because really, we agree on the middle east. Which is likely the only question our generation will ever get to answer, due to how slow the world moves. And while we disagree on what is best for Africa, neither of us want bad for it. By all rights we should get along more than not, because likely the outcome we create is the same.
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which, if i have my biases, i ironically am better able to ignoring them and find middlegrounds. Because i have no hard feelings, and considering your tone, i can't assume the same. (edited)
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:16
Ignoring your biases makes you infinitely worse
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The best thing you could do for yourself is to understand what your own biases are, understand why you have them, and understand how your place in the world is enforcing them
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Ignorance helps literally nobody
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:17
seeing the world through your own lense only and hating those who don't fit, is in my view the worse outcome.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:18
I don't hate people who don't agree with me or don't fit into my world view
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:18
I am perfectly at peace with the human i am, its the only human i'll ever be. I just don't go out of my way to insult others for not being me.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:19
Sure, but the human you are can always be better. That goes for literally everyone, me included
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:20
anyway, this is circular, i will let you say your peace but I won't reply to it again. I think your view on biases is self serving, its like saying "I know i am a murderer, but i know why, so its ok for me to murder." and hating the guy who says "i dont care I want to murder, i wont do it." understanding your biases with the sole intent to use them as a tool has no moral use, its just self serving. just be, and focus less on being righteous bout it. (edited)
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:25
I'm not using my self awareness to justify me being biased, I'm using it to help myself become less biased. I don't hate you because you are biased in a different direction, I disagree with you because you're oblivious to your own biases, and playfully insulting people is a habit that definitely doesn't work well when people are trying to have a somewhat serious discussion. Honestly, this conversation has been quite fun, and at the end of it I think you're a pretty alright person, just one with differing viewpoints to my own. You obviously know less about Africa than I do, and the things you know aren't always the most truthful representations, and that's perfectly fine. Like you said yourself, you're far more concerned with local issues that affect you more directly, and I can't fault you for that or expect you to put more effort into learning about something you don't really care about.
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I appreciate being able to talk about stuff with people who don't get all volatile and blow up in your face over it.
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:27
we cool then. was good talk (edited)
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:28
Yeah, it was fun. I hope you don't take that remark too seriously, I genuinely didn't mean it as anything more than a playful jab. Just a bit of banter, as some would say.
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as for africa catching up, i guess i'll believe it when i see the evidence. Though considering the west is going backwards, maybe we'll catch up to them instead. I don't think there is anything more productive for me to add, you point to some nations, mostly northern ones, they good so africa good, i point to the 90% of landmass that is is an state of anarchy, whatever. (edited)
The Shadow 24/07/2021 03:31
i'm reading through this, and marking my spot here. will return on my next break
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:31
yea, the insults were offputting but part of that is just because i enter this room very defensively. I wasted a lot of time arguing with bad faith actors in here last year and have no intent to get sucked into it again. Honestly all I needed is an ending statement like that to acknowledge that both sides are well intentioned individuals for me to get along usually. Because while I believe in objective truth, its rare we can have it over something as grand as a society, a continent, or even history. (edited)
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i approach africa from a very western european centrist view, a lot of my history comes from games like EU4 and reading articles on WW1 and WW2, and some current times news. I don't think I am wrong, but I fully understand others having different solutions to a problem no one has solved, certainly I expect no african to agree, it be absurd to ask someone to dismiss themselves as self unsustainable. (edited)
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so, we cool.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:35
Yeah, we cool
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A lot of my knowledge of Africa comes from studying the colonial period and how it affected different states, stuff about Ethiopian history, and a good bit of pre-colonial history from the north of Africa.
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As well as the general history that we all get taught about the Mediterranean and Rome and Egypt and all that
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Plus I've been to Tunisia a few times
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:37
what nation you from, if i may ask? (edited)
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:37
UK
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So what we get taught about Colonialism in Africa isn't perfect
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There's some covering up, some apologetic stuff
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I tried to sift through that though
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:38
we never learned about it in class really. I grew up first 6 grades in germany, then canada, neither cared for the topic. So my knowledge is self taught.
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Burger 24/07/2021 03:38
When I was in school here we didn't get taught any of that. Just Romans and a few other ancient history stuff
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I knew about it though because unlike the other kids I actually had a computer at home with dial up
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God those were the days, the real wild west
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No search engines so most stuff was via word of mouth
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:41
I love learning about world history. There's some really fantastic stuff that just never gets taught and it's tragic
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:41
that said, i really dont see north africa as 'africa" in colloquial terms. they share a lot more with europeans and middle easterns than central and southern africas because of how south of the coastline is pretty much uninhabitable(or was for most of history). I do think those state are perfectly self sustainable, as they been in the past, just look at carthage, or egypt, was a powerhouse for a long time. just to clarify, that i don't endorse us going back into morroco or whatever. (edited)
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:42
I can agree with you there, particularly along the Mediterranean, those countries benefitted a lot from having connections to Europe and through the middle East. South of the Sahara though, that's undeniably Africa
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Carthage is modern day Tunisia, so
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Geographically speaking
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:43
yea.
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and i was one of the people bitter that we still meddle there to this day.(in the general region, libya and such). So unessesary. Pretty much everything the ottomans once touched is probably fine on its own and doesnt need "western saviors".(using the term as an insult to how our govs approach the world) (edited)
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:44
Countries should definitely leave well enough alone, but there's too much of a financial incentive most of the time
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But I'm all for actual altruism between the nations of the world
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I'm gonna actually end it here before I get into another discussion
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It's nearly 3am and I have to call it somewhere
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It's been a fun one
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:46
perfectly fair, and goodnight.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:46
Hope you have a good night too
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Sapare 24/07/2021 03:46
i dont check in here all the time but poke me on pm if you ever need something.
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Deleted User 24/07/2021 03:47
Will do
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Deleted User 27/07/2021 02:11
is it weird that i kinda want the US to have a citizen rebellion?
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Conifer 27/07/2021 02:11
Define?
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Deleted User 27/07/2021 02:11
you know, i hear all this stuff about billionares hoarding wealth that could be used for more useful things, lack of healthcare, poverty, etc.
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Conifer 27/07/2021 02:12
long exasperated sigh
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Deleted User 27/07/2021 02:12
and i just think sometimes. i kinda want the US to just...go crazy about it.
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or just really implode.
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Conifer 27/07/2021 02:12
They have. those same rich people just deflected all the anger at every white person that wasn't a corporation or a sheep
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Deleted User 27/07/2021 02:12
that may be me just wanting something good to happen.
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Conifer 27/07/2021 02:13
Hell, I am native and hispanic but I get lumped in there
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because I don't agree with their uninformed opinions
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about my reality
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Deleted User 27/07/2021 02:13
you know you have corrupt polititians and billionares hoarding wealth.
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why don't you fight?!
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Conifer 27/07/2021 02:14
Honestly, a lot of people misunderstand how wealth is measured too
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net worth (which is used to calculate a wealthy persons wealth) is the combined value of all their assets combined
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not all of the money they have on hand
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Deleted User 27/07/2021 02:14
hell, last time something like that happened, was the french revolution.
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Conifer 27/07/2021 02:14
most of that is stock in their own companies
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And since the value of a stock can be easily manipulated, and stocks would plummet if they sold all of them at once, they would be a lot more broke than their net worth would imply if they sold everything (edited)
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Most of their day to day expenses are effectively done as IOU's and they buy things on credit because the companies running those know they can and will pay them back
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Another expensive thing is land and buildings
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both of which are often bought for large businesses
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Deleted User 27/07/2021 02:37
how do you stand with billionares? yay or nay?
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Conifer 27/07/2021 02:41
Depends on what specifically you mean and in what context
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And which billionare
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Deleted User 27/07/2021 02:44
all of them. do you care that they exploit their workers? that they hoard wealth that could be used for better things? that they're just doing whatever the fuck they want while poepl go hungry and deep in debt from hospital bills? (edited)
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Conifer 27/07/2021 02:47
Depends on what specifically you consider exploitation. Making a profit is fine. Profiteering is distasteful and not something I support. And as I said, they have a lot less money than you would think
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Deleted User 27/07/2021 02:48
disregarding worker's rights and not allowing unions to form.
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jeff bezos.
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Conifer 27/07/2021 02:52
Jeff bezos is a piece of shit, but at this point so are worker's unions. All they do is take more money from the worker's paychecks, tell them that sometimes they aren't allowed to work, even if they need the money, they offer no guarantee that they will actually get any results on your behalf, they spend most of that money they get from union fees on political campaigns ("exploiting" the people who work for the union by paying them shit wages) and are near impossible to leave once you join, especially without a lengthy and pricey legal battle. Not to mention certain fields (like teaching) where it is nearly impossible to be hired if you aren't a part of the union (though fortunately private schools still exist) (edited)
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Jeff bezos is a piece of shit, but at this point so are worker's unions. All they do is take more money from the worker's paychecks, tell them that sometimes they aren't allowed to work, even if they need the money, they offer no guarantee that they will actually get any results on your behalf, they spend most of that money they get from union fees on political campaigns ("exploiting" the people who work for the union by paying them shit wages) and are near impossible to leave once you join, especially without a lengthy and pricey legal battle. Not to mention certain fields (like teaching) where it is nearly impossible to be hired if you aren't a part of the union (though fortunately private schools still exist) (edited)
FireTails 27/07/2021 02:53
CozyLaugh
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Conifer 27/07/2021 02:54
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 27/07/2021 04:29
Jeff Bezos is indeed an evil cunt, at least Bill Gates pays a living wage, I think? and gives to charity. Jeff is just hording money so he can escape the Earth once he's taken all it's resources and sold it back to us.
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I watched a Amazing Atheist livestream where there's this page you can go to, to see through a visual graph scrolling how much wealth he has compared to others. The pay for a Doctor's entire career is just a tiny minuscule less then 0.0001% spec of Jeff's wealth.
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Here it is! https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/
Wealth, shown to scale
Inequality in the United States is out of control. Here we visualize the issue in a unique way.
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I think you have to scroll for about 5 minutes straight before it shows the couple of pixels of a Doctor's Career.
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see how much left there is to scroll on the bottom
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Noone deserves to be this rich and is why I think capitalism has gone too ridiculously far without regulation.
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I watched a Amazing Atheist livestream where there's this page you can go to, to see through a visual graph scrolling how much wealth he has compared to others. The pay for a Doctor's entire career is just a tiny minuscule less then 0.0001% spec of Jeff's wealth.
FireTails 27/07/2021 04:52
Ahh, good ol TJ Kirk lol If you like him, you'll like Secular Talk. He mostly covers politics now but he looks at it from a secular world view.
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Ahh, good ol TJ Kirk lol If you like him, you'll like Secular Talk. He mostly covers politics now but he looks at it from a secular world view.
Mystery Cheese Fiction 27/07/2021 04:54
Lel yep, been a fan since the beginning. I was within one of his first 300 subscribers.
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FireTails 27/07/2021 04:54
Of Tj or Kyle?
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 27/07/2021 05:19
TJ
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The Amazing Atheist channel. Now I'm a $5 patron of Deep Fat Fried.
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FireTails 27/07/2021 05:30
Ahh, yeah. I actually stopped watching Tj awhile back, I basically just kept to Secular Talk cause it was covering the 2016 election heavily
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 27/07/2021 05:39
Don't think I've heard of that. I basically alternate between Deep Fat Fried and Drunken Peasants. But sometimes I'm not in the mood to hear more about how depressingly shit America is.
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FireTails 27/07/2021 05:47
Yeah I feel that, but Secular Talk at least will point out how fucked it all is while explaining what would systemically help fix it. He was one of the original founder of Justice Democrats, which had the goal of getting uncorruptible people into office, as in they only take small dollar donations to fund their campaigns and no corporate pac money.
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Sapare 28/07/2021 01:26
Gates owns the majority of american farmland and been buying up more, if you think he is trustworthy you fooled, that guy is cut-throat. Also, he hasnt worked at microsoft in over two decades.
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Gates owns the majority of american farmland and been buying up more, if you think he is trustworthy you fooled, that guy is cut-throat. Also, he hasnt worked at microsoft in over two decades.
Conifer 28/07/2021 01:28
Not to mention all his talk about environmentalism when he owns a major tech company and flies everywhere by private jet. His carbon footprint is higher than that of some countries, yet he has the right to tell us we need to carpool and use public transit
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Sapare 28/07/2021 01:28
well, he doesnt own microsoft. but he is a hypocrite, yes. (edited)
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Katie 28/07/2021 01:28
I hate to be a bother, but is there a source for the "majority of american farmland" bit?
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Sapare 28/07/2021 01:29
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/05/bill-gates-climate-crisis-farmland I got the wording up, he is the mayor holder, not holding the majority.
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Gates has been buying land like it’s going out of style. He now owns more farmland than my entire Native American nation
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Conifer 28/07/2021 01:29
Oh, he doesn't own microsoft any more?
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Sapare 28/07/2021 01:29
he owns stocks in it.
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Conifer 28/07/2021 01:30
not a majority stock though?
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Sapare 28/07/2021 01:31
honestly, idk for sure or where to find that info. Though I think not. I am not super up to date on him but when he got replaced 20 years ago I don't think it was entirely willingly/happily. It be weird for that to be possible if he is majority stock holder.
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Conifer 28/07/2021 01:32
just looked it up, apparently he only has 1.3% of microsoft stock at this point
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he apparently sold a lot of his in october 2019
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 28/07/2021 01:33
Well whatever all ridiculously rich people are evil psychopaths
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Sapare 28/07/2021 01:33
so yea, he prob makes more money through his other ventures, like the whole vaccine stuff he pushes and the farmland, his "non profit", the man has his hands in every pie, and i dont trust a man who thinks he knows better for everyone else. (edited)
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Katie 28/07/2021 01:34
Vaccine stuff? Can assure you that there's no chips in the vaccines, as someone who's had two injections
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Sapare 28/07/2021 01:35
cool, but its not about chips, and not even about covid uniquely, gates been pushing vacines for decades. just usually on the people in africa. (edited)
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weither well intention, or good outcome, or not, the dude is obviously very confident he knows best and is the embodiment of white savior complex, for everyone. (edited)
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if you read his blog... he sounds like a lunatic more than not tbh.
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disconected from reality.
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anyway, because someone had to jump to its defense. I wouldnt take an unproven rushed through chemical mixture(its not even really a vacine... it works completely differently) for a disease that is less likely to kill me than lightening.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 28/07/2021 01:39
Vaccines at least are a good thing. I want this covid situation over with and I want people to stop being idiot conspiracy nuts about such an important medical invention.
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Sapare 28/07/2021 01:39
then take it, if it works covid is over, you immune, congrats.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 28/07/2021 01:40
Those people are preventing the end of Covid and are going to bring back Polio at this rate
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Katie 28/07/2021 01:40
I'm immunocompromised, and I was very grateful for the vaccine
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The Mystery Cheese Fan, Polio is still around
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Sapare 28/07/2021 01:41
if the vacine works how are you at all being affected by covid?
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 28/07/2021 01:41
maybe, but it rare now, because of vaccines
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lockdowns
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Sapare 28/07/2021 01:41
covid is not locking you down.
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you could go out there right now and be free, you vacinated, you are safe.
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lets do a theoretical here.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 28/07/2021 01:43
I will as soon as I can, but I think Australia is still waiting for our frontline workers to be vaccinated still, i'm low on the list
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Sapare 28/07/2021 01:44
that is circular though
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you arnt vacinated because you cant be, but you hate those who don't want to be vacinated because if only they got to it and were vacinated already you could open up?
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 28/07/2021 01:47
Covid isn't effecting me that much, I'm an unemployed shut in anyway. Although I'll be forced out into the dangerous diseased world soon, my employment provider wants to crack down on me.
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Katie 28/07/2021 01:48
Sorry to hear about your employment provider (edited)
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Sapare 28/07/2021 01:48
dangerous by who's standard, unless you like katie have some health complication your risk are effectively 0.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 28/07/2021 01:48
The anti-vaxers are making the lives miserable for all the people that want to be able to open their businesses and go outside to socialize again.
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Sapare 28/07/2021 01:49
also, you didn't adress anything, you blame anti vaxers despite saying you arnt vaxinated because there isnt enough vacines to go around.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 28/07/2021 01:49
I'm obese so I have high risk of covid being deadly to me.
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Sapare 28/07/2021 01:49
how can you be mad at the people refusing the live saving dose.
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how would the anti vaxers even get vaxed
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also, if you are high risk you not low on the list.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 28/07/2021 01:50
I'm mad at their stupidity and them spreading that stupidity and indoctinating their children too to be anti-science
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Sapare 28/07/2021 01:50
nah
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i'll hold my tongue, i'll just leave the example i had writen up and drop the convo here because i cant say anything nice.
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i was going to make a whole point about how your original logic is effectively giving the gov open reign to go on genocide by applying the same logic "we are locked down because terror risk from "This" group, so we will stay locked down till every single person from this group converts or is put in jail." But honestly, in your example there are not even enough bullets to exterminate the minority group fast enough and you are just sad they are not magically finding ways to "fix" themselves. (edited)
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 28/07/2021 01:51
It's been a while since I asked my doctor if they have the vaccine yet, I think I heard the Astra-Zeneka one is fairly availible
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Conifer 28/07/2021 01:51
Ah yes, because people like me who (on spiritual grounds) refuse letting anyone save their life, for any reason beyond genuine friendship and have no children, no family, and no friends to speak of am totally indoctrinating children by not getting a shot
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Even when not required I wear my bandana so I can't spread it to others
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but over 70% of people 12 and up in my state are vaccinated, and those who aren't, like me, accept the risk
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Katie 28/07/2021 01:54
Conifer, I hope I'm not being a bother, but would you mind if I asked why you refuse letting anyone save your life for any reason beyond genuine friendship?
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Conifer 28/07/2021 01:54
It's part of my covenant with my Goddess. "It is not the place of mortals to determine who lives and dies, that is a hubris not even you are allowed"
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She saved my life, and thus It is the least I can do to fully accept the terms that saved me
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She saved me, therefore I am hers to care for until I relinquish that responsibility from her
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Conifer 28/07/2021 02:52
Well, I guess I killed that convo....
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Conifer 28/07/2021 18:17
I don't agree with this, but it's heckin' funny https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/305191083283972098/869893351082700840/IcrLjPg_d.webp
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Katie 28/07/2021 18:21
Hahahaha, I actually read parts of the Fountainhead. Wasn't to my liking.
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Conifer 28/07/2021 18:21
I haven't gotten to read atlas shrugged yet, it's just the last bit that I disagree with
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Katie 28/07/2021 18:21
I haven't gotten around to reading it either
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I've read a biography about Ayn Rand, though
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Crys 05/08/2021 02:33
I found a something that explains why politics is such a mess without going out of its way to vilify anyone.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/09/blame-the-bobos-creative-class/619492/
How the Bobos Broke America
The creative class was supposed to foster progressive values and economic growth. Instead we got resentment, alienation, and endless political dysfunction.
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 11:45
@TheLaugh Just adding to our previous discussion: I appreciate talking with you. It's good to have a diverse viewpoint and being able to talk civilly helps a lot with that. Unfortunately it's always so hard to find people willing to do so that don't immediately fall back to pre-baked talking points. (edited)
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@TheLaugh Just adding to our previous discussion: I appreciate talking with you. It's good to have a diverse viewpoint and being able to talk civilly helps a lot with that. Unfortunately it's always so hard to find people willing to do so that don't immediately fall back to pre-baked talking points. (edited)
TheLaugh 10/08/2021 11:49
I always enjoy a political talk, i never take abything personally either. i have this old black lady i talk to at work in which we have differing opinions, and we learn from each other through that.
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 11:49
Cool
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Conifer 10/08/2021 11:54
I like talking politics, I just get a bit upset when people just spout what they've heard when they haven't really thought about it. I'm more than willing to challenge them and help them form cohesive arguments but that... well it usually cause's arguments
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I also get kinda bitter at collectivists because of my personal life experiences
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The Shadow 10/08/2021 11:54
i'll admit, if i tried to get political, i'd probably be one of those ppl
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the ones who just parrot
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Conifer 10/08/2021 11:55
Well, can't be worse than my mom.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT2rlJe9cuU
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How Anti Racism Hurts Black People - John McWhorter
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Full debate if wanted https://youtu.be/mzPKk19t3Kw
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Has Anti-Racism Become as Harmful as Racism? John McWhorter vs. Nik...
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:01
then there was the whole banning menthol cigs because blacks die to them the most
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:01
yeah
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:01
essentially treating blacks like special children
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:01
theres affirmative action laws that benefit blacks but screw over asians
tbh This is more politicians in america need to get their shit together.
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:01
(the word Menthol Cigerettes even got edited out of American Dad)
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:02
Yeah, those laws are put in by the democratic politicians. The leftists
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:02
(My brother caught it while watching it, noted the subtitles still had menthol, but the spoken words did not)
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the same leftists who tried to railroad Zimmerman and Nick Sandmann
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:03
A few years back I was watching the boondocks episode "return of the king" on TV on Adult Swim, and the closed captioning for the episode used the hard r in each instance of the word that I shall not say here for not wanting to cause drama
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:03
but succeded with Chauven despite the prosecution having to turn in evidence on the final day of court showing that George Floyd died at the hospital with 98% oxygen saturation
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Boondocks literally predicted the future
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:04
nah, they said oprah would win the last election
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:04
you know what i mean
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:04
XD
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:05
My laptop is still restarting
12:06
meanwhile my phone has gone flat, turned off, recharged, and turned back on, and windows is only now logging me in.
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Where was I?
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Cheesy Pony
theres affirmative action laws that benefit blacks but screw over asians
tbh This is more politicians in america need to get their shit together.
Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:06
They shouldn't be making laws that directly favour any select group any more than they should be making ones detriment them.
12:07
Regardless of the effect, giving one race special treatment over another is still racism
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:07
yes but democrats consider having voter ID to be racist
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:07
Take it from me. I live in a country that has this thing called BBBEE
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:07
Yeah, but that's what anti-racism, and feminism, and queer representation all mean over here. Supremacy
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:07
Broad Base Black Economic Empowerment
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:08
Rebuplicans meanwhile have the right idea to consider teaching critical race theory racist
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Trump actually did a lot of good, despite the propaganda against him
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especially for the black community
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who Obama snubbed
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:08
It was intended to give black people more job opportunities but instead businesses are favouring black people over white people to get the benifits.
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Rebuplicans meanwhile have the right idea to consider teaching critical race theory racist
Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:09
Actually no, Critical Race Theory is more about teaching the effects of racism in history.
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:09
Critical race theory states that your life is centered around your race. If you are white you are a racist and an oppressor, especially if you deny these things. Meanwhile if you are not white you are a victim and deserve reparations and apologies, and handouts, and sympathy from everyone who is an oppressor because you are a victim (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:10
They (Republicans) are misrepresenting what it is to forward their own agenda.
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Cheesy Pony
Actually no, Critical Race Theory is more about teaching the effects of racism in history.
Conifer 10/08/2021 12:10
no. That... is wrong on so many levels
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:10
i've seen videos of CRT being taught in class
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and all it is is what Conifer says
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:10
https://youtu.be/YL995iGCGEU
Timcast IRL
Timcast IRL - Charlie Kirk And Vaush Join To Discuss And Debate
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:10
you also have blacks, especially those in Florida
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speaking out against CRT as well
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:11
My anarcho communist friend sent me this, and even the leftist in the debate doesn't give your definition of crt
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:11
feeling it diminishes their accomplishments as a black community
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:11
Republicans are also pushing to keep schools from teaching that the KKK were bad.
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:11
No
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that is falsity
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:11
that is false
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:11
Prove it
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:11
we went to american school
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:11
the burden of proof lies on you
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show a republican pushing for that
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:12
we were force fed that the KKK was bad
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and this was in Florida
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which is a republican state
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:12
And I mean a politician, not just a random person
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:12
considered THE most republican state next to Texas
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hell
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:13
God I wish we had someone like de santis instead of kate brown
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:13
Republicans love to teach that the KKK was bad
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because the KKK was a democrat organization
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:13
^
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not to mention last election the grand wizard straight up said on his social media page that he was supporting biden because trump had been disappointing and biden had the right ideas
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:14
oh yeah, i sure do love inflation and such
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and don't forget Biden said he'd stop building the wall
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but look at that
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he's suddenly building the wall
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:14
asiethonk https://news.yahoo.com/texas-republicans-want-teach-kkk-121317908.html
Do Texas Republicans Want to Teach That the KKK Are the ‘Good Guys’...
Julián Castro has levied quite the allegation against Texas Republicans, accusing them of 'recasting' history making the KKK look like good guys.
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:14
Not to mention biden actually gave a eulogy at the funeral of a "cyclops" of the klan at one point
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:14
Okay, I consider myself corrected.
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:15
also, don't forget Biden stood up there and said the women's soccer team make less than the male team
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which is false
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ah, yes, i remember that
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:15
Apparently the Texas board isn't so much forbidding the teaching as making it optional.
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:15
Biden straight up never knows what he is talking about period
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its not teaching the KKK as a good thing, thats what matters
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:16
Honestly, in most appearances Biden seems more coherent than Trump was towards the end of his term.
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I would still have preferred Bernie Sanders.
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:16
Also, I would like to point out to anyone not from a place like portland, but we don't really learn history here
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:17
you haven't been watching his entire speeches then
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:17
In midlle and high school I took US history 4 times
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:17
isn't portland's average GPA like....1 ?
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:17
I've seen a fair bit of his speeches.
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:17
never once did we make it past the civil war
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:17
Both of them talking.
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:17
Each year went like this
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:17
Trump can't stick to a single topic for two seconds.
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:18
first few months: revolutionary war and american independence next few months: western expansion and the trail of tears february: Black civil rights movement rest of the year: the civil war
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I talked to my texan (now ex) and she was horrified at this
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:19
i'm not saying Trump hasn't been coherent in his speeches either, its just Biden is worse. not to mention Trump, during tv interviews, had a tendency to release uncut footage of it because the tv broadcast was edited to make him dumb
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:19
Education is a big problem in the US
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:19
They always made it through the korean war in their classes
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:19
like that infamous 60 minutes interview
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>Trail of tears
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:19
I feel like so many Americans don't even fully understand what the confederacy was about.
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:19
native americans who bitch today can fuck off
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:20
Here in portland we have an entire generation of college students who never learned about nazi-ism or fascism are calling people nazis and fascists like it's going out of style
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Also, as a native american, specifially a sioux, I agree
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:20
Miami has a bunch of Native Americans who not only not complain, but know they got the best deal out of it
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:20
They tell you it's state's rights, but conveniently forget that it was "state's rights... to keep black slaves"
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:20
That's not what the confederacy was about
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It was about sustaining an economy
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:20
Well, their right to make their own legislation, that they would then use to preserve slavery, is the full expansion.
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:21
They say saying 'indian' is bad. but its the native americans who they themselves continue to call it indian, and encourage it in their casinos
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:21
Hence why the europeans supported the confederacy until the north made it about a social cause like slavery
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:21
I mean more about the civil was, Conifer
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:22
The civil war was about the south not wanting to lose the thing that made there economy possible. Unfortunately, that was slaves
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it wasn't about racism
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:22
Oh god, but youtube's mobile site is trash
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:22
it was about making sure they could sustain their communities
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:22
I never said it was racism.
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I said it was slavery.
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The Shadow 10/08/2021 12:23
they didn't want to renovate
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:23
Which itself is racist.
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:23
facepalm
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:23
But that's beyond the point
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The Shadow 10/08/2021 12:23
ignore the mobile site
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uuse the app when on mobile
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:23
have you every read a history book? I don't mean this to be rude, but it sounds like you only have a sociology view, not a history one
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:23
The point is that people don't seem to understand the link to slavery that the confederacy had.
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:24
No one in america doesn't know that connection
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The Shadow 10/08/2021 12:24
i think you're overfocusing
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:24
Except the very small ones
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:24
You'd be surprised
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I've met people who don't know that connection
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Though fair
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:25
I think it's more likely you met someone who misconstrued or abstracted that connection
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:25
Maybe they know the connection, but just don't care.
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:25
or that
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Even the blatant racists admit the confederacy was about slavery
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that's why they like it
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:26
What's worse? Not knowing that the symbol you're waving is steeped in a history of opression and abuse of minorities, or knowing and waving the flag because it is steeped in that history?
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Yeh
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That sucks
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:27
the problem is they don't care
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:27
America needs to deal with their racist problem. Like, legit.
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:27
even destroying statues of slave abolishers
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America doesn't have a racist problem. Whites at this point are treated the worst
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next to asians
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:27
Even before Trump, a lot of America's laws and criminal justice system were heavily skewed against the poor and minorities.
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:27
The blatant racists are less of a problem then the reactionaries who genuinely execute people in the streets for their political and spiritual beliefs
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:28
probably because minorities commit the most crime
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Conifer
The blatant racists are less of a problem then the reactionaries who genuinely execute people in the streets for their political and spiritual beliefs
Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:28
Imo I'd consider those the same thing.
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TheLaugh
America doesn't have a racist problem. Whites at this point are treated the worst
The Shadow 10/08/2021 12:28
still racism
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:28
The poor I can agree with. Not the minorities. You know how many succesful colored people you see? Plenty. You know how many succesful poor people you see? None
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:28
ah, you got me there
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when it comes to cubans, we know of two things.
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Cheesy Pony
Imo I'd consider those the same thing.
Conifer 10/08/2021 12:29
I am referring to the trump supporter who was shot in the back of the head for wearing a "patriot prayer" hat in the streets of my city last summer
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TheLaugh
probably because minorities commit the most crime
Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:29
I've heard studies say legan emigrants were less likely to commit crime than native-born americans.
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:29
1. if any of us came to power, we'd be a Fidel Castro
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lol, no. illegal immigrants cause a whole host of crime
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its just not recorded
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Cheesy Pony
I've heard studies say legan emigrants were less likely to commit crime than native-born americans.
Conifer 10/08/2021 12:29
Yes, because we can impose standards on who comes in not on who is born here
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:30
which gets me to the second thing we know
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TheLaugh
lol, no. illegal immigrants cause a whole host of crime
Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:30
Legal not illegal
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:30
it is more beneficial to be illegal than gain citizenship
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Conifer
Yes, because we can impose standards on who comes in not on who is born here
Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:30
I'm aware of that caveat
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:31
My aunt was scared of becoming a legal citizen for so long, simply because she'd lose all those government benefits
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and she did become a citizen, and did lose those benefits
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:31
What government benefits?
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:31
housing plans, extra money to situate in america. Miami has a whole slew of them, plus grants
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:32
If you're illegal doesn't that mean you don't technically exist from the government's perspective?
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:32
because we cubans show up on boats all the time
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Cheesy Pony
I'm aware of that caveat
Conifer 10/08/2021 12:32
also the legal immigrants situation points out a lot of the flaws in leftist praxis and woke-ism as a whole. People who come to america from africa are almost as succesful as asian americans, and you never hear them complaining about "discrimination" or "systemic racism"
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:32
Mainly because they're rich.
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:32
And a lot of them hate being called african american too
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:32
oh no question
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Cheesy Pony
Mainly because they're rich.
Conifer 10/08/2021 12:32
No, not all of them. I've had plenty work in the juvenile system
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:32
If you're not rich, you're treated like shit in america.
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:32
You don't get rich working in juvy
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:32
i had a jamaican manager who hated being compared to african americans
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called them all entitled babies
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Cheesy Pony
If you're not rich, you're treated like shit in america.
Conifer 10/08/2021 12:33
I know this. I am on permanent disability and make less money than most people on unemployment did over the past year
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:34
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/rockies-say-fan-was-yelling-name-of-mascot-not-racial-slur-at-marlins-lewis-brinson/ and don't forget black fragility
Rockies say fan was yelling name of mascot, not racial slur at Marl...
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where even if anything sounds like the N word
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it makes fucking headlines
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:34
Regarding the systemic racism
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What I mean is that the system is skewed.
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Not that you can always notice.
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:35
How so?
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:35
But it's like things such as a black person would get a harsher sentence than a white person.
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:35
Not actually the case most of the time
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:35
¯\(ツ)\/¯
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That's what I've been told
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:36
The poor have less access to good lawyers than the rich
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more black people are poor than rich (edited)
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so it looks like racism if you just glance at the numbers
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:36
That's another way it's skewed.
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But a different kind of skewing.
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That's against the poor.
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:36
Yeah, but that isn't racism. Class struggle is real
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:37
Fair point
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:37
well, thats why we also have pro bono lawyers
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:37
all this woke-ism has just been to distract the poor while the rich get richer
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:37
I... agree?
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:37
hell, pro bono lawyers really lays out some truth about the poor
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TheLaugh
well, thats why we also have pro bono lawyers
Conifer 10/08/2021 12:37
but most of them are shit. Just look at how the ACLU has degraded over the past 30 years
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:37
are they? or is the fact that pro bono lawyers always take the cases they know they can win
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its telling when they won't take a poor person's case
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:38
Not always.
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:38
or they think they can win
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because thats where their money comes from
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wins
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these are different from state appointed lawyers, of course.
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:39
Way back when there was a case where the ACLU had a jewish, pro bono lawyer defend the freedom of speech of a literal neo nazi and won. Nowadays they praise woke-ism when possible and their only concern about things like court stacking is "well what will stop them from doing that to us when they're in power if we say this stuff is okay"
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The organizations of pro bono lawyers are very politically skewed and oriented
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:41
yes, but thats not the case for all of them, as big money is still big money. they just won't take a overly politically charged case unless the payout is huge
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:41
Yeah. Meaning if they think they can win but won't get good pay they won't do it
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It's like how police organizations will evaluate whether it is more expensive to train officers better or to pay off settlements out of court
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:43
never said the system was good, its just that there are enough outliers otherwise to make that point
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:43
Well if the law was made so that citizens could understand, or if students were actually taught the laws of at least their own state in school....
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I fuckin' hate our public education system
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Instead of teaching scientific principles we teach science history
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We don't teach pre-algebra until 6th grade
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Language arts focuses mostly on grammar
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social studies is just current events
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we don't teach our laws
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we don't teach political theory
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we don't teach philosophy
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we don't even teach people to understand or analyze art, which is the basis of culture and society
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:45
Relax, Conifer, i ain't disagreeing with you. i know things are fucked
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:46
Sorry, it's 3:46 Am and I've been up over 20 hours. I just can't sleep atm (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:46
Sorry, I got to go.
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Conifer 10/08/2021 12:46
kk
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:46
Windows just uninstalled my graphics card drivers and I have to fix
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TheLaugh 10/08/2021 12:46
i know the feeling, its 6:48 AM here and i haven't gone to bed yet
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seeya cheesy
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Cheesy Pony 10/08/2021 12:47
Always best to get a good rest before talking about pol.
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bby
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Conifer 11/08/2021 19:42
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FireTails 12/08/2021 00:30
Yeah, pretty much the epitome of his career now hyperXD
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Conifer 13/08/2021 16:08
https://youtu.be/1K7HpiLgp5s
Timcast
Biden Admin Discussing Mandating Vaccines For Interstate Travel, Mo...
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Crys 13/08/2021 22:32
Hay that may be a good first step back towards 50 independent states rather then the fed being the end all be all.
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or maybe the second step the first being weed.
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Cheesy Pony 15/08/2021 23:36
That's more or less what I've been saying they need to do for a while.
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One of the many reasons the US has done so badly at containing the pandemic is because of certain states not controlling it, and then it spreads across borders to other states. (edited)
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Conifer 15/08/2021 23:39
And yet places like California which had the strictest lockdowns had drastically more cases per capita than places like Florida where they hardly locked down at all
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Or just look at the fiasco that was new york
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Cheesy Pony 15/08/2021 23:40
Have you checked whether people are following the restrictions?
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From what I remember, California had restrictions, but a lot of people just ignored them.
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And Florida isn't exactly doing well right now.
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Don't they account for 1/5th the US's total daily cases right now?
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Conifer 15/08/2021 23:41
Im not sure on current numbers, I stopped paying attention about 3 months ago
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Cheesy Pony 15/08/2021 23:42
I've been seeing reporting that the delta variant has been ripping through Florida.
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I think yesterday there was coverage about 5 teachers dying of covid, causing DeSantis to packpedal on some decision he made. (edited)
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I didn't really watch the video, but just saw it appear in my feed.
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There's a certain point where I have to just stop watching videos on certain subjects, because it's always the same thing.
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Like, the whole Gaetz thing. It's always the same, new evidence, blah blah still investigating. I'll pay attention when they say he's being arrested.
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Conifer 15/08/2021 23:45
Well as far as the delta variant is concerned you have to consider that while yes, it is more virulent than other variants (meaning it spreads more easily) it is actually the weakest strength of any variant yet. You are something like 10 times more likely to survive the delta variant than the original strain iirc
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Cheesy Pony 15/08/2021 23:45
[citation needed]
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Conifer 15/08/2021 23:48
As I said, iirc
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Cheesy Pony 15/08/2021 23:48
hm
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Conifer 15/08/2021 23:48
There are so many sources out there, and even medical professionals rarely agree any more
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Cheesy Pony 15/08/2021 23:48
iirc I don't remember anyone saying it was less deadly. Might actually be more deadly.
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I remember the South African variant was said to be more deadly.
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Also it depends which age group you're talking about.
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What I remember people saying was that the delta variant is more dangerous to younger age groups.
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Conifer 15/08/2021 23:50
What I heard was it was causing symptoms more often in younger age groups and thus was affecting them more but there wasn't an increase in survival odds
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Cheesy Pony 15/08/2021 23:51
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/how-deadly-is-the-coronavirus-delta-variant/ar-AANeXXB
How deadly is the coronavirus delta variant?
Early data suggests the delta variant may cause more severe disease.
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Looks like preliminary studies indicated it to be roughly twice as severe, but more data is needed before anything definitive can be said.
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So the cautious bet right now is to assume those studies are right and it's more severe.
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  • the above applies to unvaccinated, I forgot to mention that. Vaccinated people are still less likely to have any severe symptoms.
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There's also supposed to be the Sigma variant, which is both more infectious and more aggressive than even the Delta variant.
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I don't know very much about that one, just saw a headline mentioning it whilst looking up the above article.
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Okay, found this one too, which is from the 9th. https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/scientist-delta-variant-more-transmissible-not-more-deadly/
Raymond Wolfe
Scientist: Delta variant more transmissible, not more deadly - Life...
‘What we’re seeing is virus evolution 101,’ Brian Hooker, chief scientific officer of Children’s Health Defense, said. ‘Viruses like to survive, so killing the host (i.e. the human who is infected) defeats the purpose because killing the host kills the virus, too.’
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It doesn't really contradict, though.
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Article seems to be more talking about breakthrough cases (where fully vaccinated people get infected)
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Ugh. The whole thing sucks from every direction.
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Sapare 16/08/2021 05:02
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn5JRKWgnps
The Jimmy Dore Show
Jimmy Dore Brings Anti-War Message To Fox News!
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TheLaugh 18/08/2021 12:41
@Cheesy Pony https://www.wlrn.org/news/2021-08-11/floridas-health-department-disputed-the-cdcs-covid-numbers-an-epidemiologist-explains-what-happened
Florida's Health Department Disputed The CDC's COVID Numbers. An Ep...
On Monday, the Florida Department of Health called out the discrepancy on Twitter, renewing attention to the state's decision to stop reporting daily COVID-19 numbers even as the Delta variant drives up cases.
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https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2021/8/11/22619946/cdc-changes-florida-covid-case-numbers
The CDC just changed Florida’s COVID-19 numbers. Here’s why
The CDC changed Florida’s number after the health department called out the CDC.
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and the hospitilization numbers in these articles are not to be trusted considering how the CDC considers covid cases
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Cheesy Pony 18/08/2021 15:52
asiethonk
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Flutterpony 18/08/2021 20:08
Opinions on Afghanistan?
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Deleted User 18/08/2021 20:08
Sure is a country
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FireTails 18/08/2021 20:41
Lol not anymore. That shits Talibanistan now
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Flutterpony
Opinions on Afghanistan?
Cheesy Pony 19/08/2021 08:43
Pulling out could have been done better, almost everyone I hear talking about it (including people in Afghanistan) all agree it was long overdue.
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What I said before on youtub:
The fact the Taliban took over so quickly illustrates just how futile the whole war was. America was never going to win. It was either pull out and admit defeat, or keep pouring money into it until they went broke.
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Also from what I hear, the Afghan military and government didn't even try. They basically just dropped everything because, and I quote "america's not paying us any more".
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Afghanistan was never a country. It was a collection of independent tribes ducktaped together into a shape resembling a country. A sand castle held up by burning American dollars. (edited)
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That's the take I have based on what's been reported on, anyway.
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TheLaugh 19/08/2021 09:27
i agree with you @Cheesy Pony
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Deleted User 19/08/2021 13:38
That's pretty true. Afghanistan only really exists because of modern obessesions over statehood and defining regions into countries. Afghanistan functions more like the HRE than as a single unified country. It's geography inherently makes it hard to connect each of the towns and cities due to how mountainous and disconnected everything is.
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Flutterpony 19/08/2021 16:03
My first thought at rumors the Taliban inherited American weapons was that it was exaggerating an already bad situation. Is it true the Taliban have new US weapons?
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No doubt the people there are suffering. I think it would've been wise of us to offer their women and children asylum
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FireTails 19/08/2021 16:07
They have the entire country, which means they have all of the things in that country. The weapons we gave to the afghan military, the bases we built, the infrastructure we built, all of it.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 19/08/2021 16:33
The Americans shouldn't be playing world police, they are bad at it and it's so often for the profit of corporations, not any genuine care for humanity.
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My first thought at rumors the Taliban inherited American weapons was that it was exaggerating an already bad situation. Is it true the Taliban have new US weapons?
Burger 19/08/2021 16:44
Yeah they have quite a lot of stuff. They probably won't know how to run or fix half of it but still they run around with Soviet era Aks so I expect they will be keeping the AR-15s ect running for a while
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Bit of a comedy video on it but it is informative anyway https://youtu.be/b9S9zst8j6I
Angry Cops
Afghanistan Fire Sale! Everything Must Go!
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Flutterpony 19/08/2021 16:53
Times like these, I'm glad I voted for a president I trust. I'd be tempted to make it look like the US had left, then raid and capture the incoming leaders.
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I'd be brash by comparison, but I suppose that's not a good idea.
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Burger 19/08/2021 16:56
Well I don't think this situation makes me trust who would be the sitting president in charge of this (edited)
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At least blow up the vehicles and drones you leave if you can't be bothered to bring them back
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I know there is stuff from the afgan army that stood down instantly but still some of the stuff left is clearly US military items that were just left in abandoned barracks
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FireTails 19/08/2021 19:20
Tbh though, Biden's stance on this whole thing is pretty fucking based
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https://youtu.be/gVMwm_wJk28
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WATCH: Biden TRIPLES DOWN On Afghanistan Withdrawal
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Burger 19/08/2021 21:37
And as if on queue to distract from the failure of Afghanistan, we have a nice false flag event in DC
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Cheesy Pony 23/08/2021 14:49
'Murika! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8n32kzrYrI
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Covetton Med Has Luxury Therapies For Long Covid Sufferers
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Sapare 25/08/2021 08:37
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-U5AOyq9Kk Xtreme far right believes.
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Tucker: This may be the last chance to save California
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Cheesy Pony 25/08/2021 09:14
Ew, Fox
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Burger 25/08/2021 10:17
At least its not Colbert
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FireTails 25/08/2021 15:30
Tucker had to admit in the court of law (it may have been civil court) that it's all an act and that he's playing a character lol
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Conifer 25/08/2021 16:56
I honestly don't get how more people don't get that tbh. For someone like me it's pretty easy to tell when he's just poking fun at a situation, which is the overwhelming majority of the time
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Tucker had to admit in the court of law (it may have been civil court) that it's all an act and that he's playing a character lol
Burger 25/08/2021 17:28
Pretty sure that's Alex Jones and that was because his ex-wife was trying to say he was insane so he couldn't see his kids, using the show as evidence (edited)
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Conifer 25/08/2021 17:34
I'm sick of them putting chemicals in the water that turn the fuckin frogs gay!
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XD
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Burger
Pretty sure that's Alex Jones and that was because his ex-wife was trying to say he was insane so he couldn't see his kids, using the show as evidence (edited)
FireTails 25/08/2021 17:36
It was both. Tucker was the most recent one.
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Same with Rachel madow or however her name is lol
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Conifer 25/08/2021 17:38
Ugh, my dad pretty much raised me on her radio show
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FireTails 25/08/2021 17:38
Ouch
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Conifer 25/08/2021 17:51
Yeah
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FireTails
Same with Rachel madow or however her name is lol
Sapare 26/08/2021 04:01
and john Oliver
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that said, wished people discussed the topic at hand more than the source, but what can ya do. Guess next time I'll just say Ew Colbert.
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and john Oliver
FireTails 26/08/2021 04:54
John Oliver is literally a comedian, though. You go in there expecting exaggeration and hyperbole. Not much of an 'authoritative news source' whatever the fuck that is lol
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Conifer 26/08/2021 05:34
I don't expect an "authoritative news source" from tucker, and no one with even half a brain does. I go there expecting a snarky asshole to make fun of all the smarmy, hypocritical shit going on in our country
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Conifer
I don't expect an "authoritative news source" from tucker, and no one with even half a brain does. I go there expecting a snarky asshole to make fun of all the smarmy, hypocritical shit going on in our country
FireTails 26/08/2021 05:40
Tucker himself is one of the most smarmiest mother fuckers on tv XD
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Sapare 26/08/2021 05:51
they all late night commentator shows. That said, authoritative news is dead and been dead probably for as long as any of us been alive. (edited)
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Just be discerning and verify.
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FireTails 26/08/2021 05:53
That's why I put 'authoritative news' in semi quotes lol
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Sapare 26/08/2021 05:54
Tucker is one of the only people to counter mainstream narrative and the fact that he has people like Jimmy Dore on speaks for itself, he gives voice to the unheard. He doesnt always have to be correct, but I rather hear a biased personal opinion than a vetted and stated approved propaganda message.
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which, pretty funny because the vid in question literally has an authoritative news source call a black man "the black face of white supremacy" because he is republican. I rather take a smartass commentator over race baiters. (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 26/08/2021 09:22
Tucker objectively is an opinion host. The problem is Fox does a poor job of communicating that. They treat not just his show, but every prime-time slot program, like legitimate news, even so far as they purposely restrict their disclaimers to off-hours where they know no one is watching.
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Anyway, this is what I came here to post: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zb6v10D4O9k
The Late Show with Stephen Colbert
Big News gives GOP governors the psychopath test
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These segments are always gold 🤣
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(Tooning Out is a parody of right-wing news outlets (aka Fox News) in case you didn't realise that)
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Conifer 26/08/2021 19:33
https://youtu.be/NjKVC0ko8ZA
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Environmentalists Would Buy the Land They Want to Protect, If The G...
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Sapare 27/08/2021 00:21
It makes some degree of sense... its effectively a contract to make use of the land, the gov does not want its economy to grind to a halt. We can argue the good or bad of environmental use but it seems a bit silly to complain, "the gov wont sell me logging land just because i wont log it.". And thats ignoring the international dangers that could come if this was allowed. (edited)
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it could still be addressed but would likely need to be done higher up. The gov is putting these lands up for use for a reason, and in best case has already calculated the pace of use to ensure long term sustainability.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 27/08/2021 03:38
Yeah well since it is impossible to do anything about the actions of these rich land owners who want to rape the Earth, we are all doomed, or at least due for an extinction event that will set us back to the dark ages. Thanks Pure Capitalism and anti-socialist propaganda.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 27/08/2021 03:58
America also suppresses a lot of history and lies about the Native American. Portraying them as savages and such. No they used to number in the tens of millions and many had urban sprawl that was more like a medieval level of technology. America just feels like God is on their side and gave them technology and used it to justify genocide of native residents. Though Britain was doing it for long before America existed.
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To give some credit most of the genocide was from disease and not intentional at least.
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Conifer 27/08/2021 04:05
Bruh. This is talking about the government refusing to lease out land to environmental preservationists not "wealthy landowners" (edited)
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Second, as a native american, specifically a Lakota Sioux, we are nowhere near as innocent as the left would have you believe
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the "stolen land" most progressives whine about on our behalf are the black hills, lands we only held for maybe 150 years before the US expanded that way
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we took that land shortly after horses were introduced to the american ecosystem, and as soon as we got our hands on them we were pretty much mini mongols
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Sapare 27/08/2021 04:11
IMO they were savages. 10s of million isnt impressive, Prussia had 10 million at 1800 and they are but a tiny fraction of NA. Natives had some interesting cultural ideals but realistically you rather be captured by some european christian than another tribe that will use you for blood sacrifice or worse. Tribes do as they must, but often that means ruthless exploitation for self sustainability. Europeans brought in agricultural dependency, which almost universal leads to a more peaceful and "just" social structure. Doesn't mean they deserved to be brutalized, no one deserves to be brutalized, but every in the world is build on someone else corpse, justified or not, nature dictates struggle, trying to go back and bring old wounds to live does no good. (edited)
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Lastly, if we left NA and the natives to their devices they prob be no further than africa is today. One can make an argument for the dangers of contaminating the natural progress of science through outside meddling(and we have), but there is currently no precedence that once it has begun leaving makes anything better, it just seems to leave the culture in disarray.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 27/08/2021 04:12
I said 10s of millions, not a 10th.
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Sapare 27/08/2021 04:13
typo, but it doesnt change anything, there are now houndreds of millions on the same land
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how is 10s of millions, 50 million people on the space of NA is not a massive accomplishment, europe had more and is much smaller, and that is post black death.
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which erradicated massive population centers.
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also, population density is not a measurment of tech, look at china or india.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 27/08/2021 04:14
It was a lot at the time and about equivalent to the UKs population.
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Sapare 27/08/2021 04:14
UK is tiny
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you can fit over 50 uk's into NA.(I think, could be slightly off, even if its 20, it still a factor of 20) (edited)
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if the natives had been technologically comparative they would be here today, even the africans had at least some hold out nations.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 27/08/2021 04:15
Semantics and numbers to deflect away the moral arguments.
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Sapare 27/08/2021 04:15
no, its pointing out that arguing the natives were at all technologically advanced is illogical.
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i never argued the morals.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 27/08/2021 04:17
It's fact, instead of accepting it, the US would rather attribute their amazing constructions to Aliens, because they are brainwashed to think they were savages by propaganda.
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Sapare 27/08/2021 04:18
ah yes, what a common theory, the Aztecs were aliens all along.
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i a prume you mean aztects, which is funny anyway because they were not really natives in the way we use the term comonally. the US barely if ever interacted with those states, that was Spain and mexico.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 27/08/2021 04:19
There were places in America too.
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But not many people who about them.
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Suppressed.
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Sapare 27/08/2021 04:19
or obscure and rare.
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we learn about natives in canada, not a lot of world wonders though.
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dont see any pyramids or cathedrals around.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 27/08/2021 04:20
And sorry @Conifer, I obviously have no idea how you see things.
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Anyway, that's my opinion, I'm not an expert, got it from documentaries. But the history I see fits together and make sense to me.
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Gonna go now.
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Sapare 27/08/2021 04:22
which is why they are all dead and defeated, because they were so smart.
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anyway, take care, i gotta go stream too.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 27/08/2021 04:27
Sigh, why does intelligence matter, Hunter gatherer lifestyles are perfectly valid and happy ways to live, you shouldn't force them to incorporate TV and internet and iPhones into their life. I kinda wish I wasn't addicted to technology but I grew up with it. No going back now. I get phone separation anxiety and can't imagine being without internet. Humans don't need that stuff to have fulfilling lives.
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Conifer 27/08/2021 04:29
Your problem is with rampant consumerism, not with technology. You don't hear about people who couldn't stand to be away from their priniting presses or their cotton gins
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 27/08/2021 04:29
And there is proof they were settled farmers a lot of them.
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Sapare 27/08/2021 04:30
I agree on that though Mystery, that is the valid topic I find much more interesting, and in tune with reality and history as it was. Maybe we did fuck NA up, but not by hiding the tech the natives had, but instead bringing in tech and believes that ultimately might make life easier but not happier.
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Conifer 27/08/2021 04:30
Our farms were horribly inefficient. There is a reason we used the whole buffalo, and it wasn't just out of respect, it was out of necessity.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 27/08/2021 04:31
I wish we Europeans just left native people alone, to live their version of happy and satisfied.
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Conifer 27/08/2021 04:31
We would never have been satisfied, that is the issue. We were never at peace, even before the europeans showed up, they just made it go faster than it would've
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 27/08/2021 04:33
I think it depends on which natives some were in Tipis but some were in straw and stone huts.
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Oh well thats my opinion, sorry if it upsets anyone.
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Sapare 27/08/2021 04:36
human nature to try to expand and advance, Europeans just happened to have a strong starting location for it. Its tough to say the balance though, on one hand it gave us Iphones and such garbage. but we have fantasy, the creation of whole other worlds in our minds is one of the greatest human inventions. There certainly be no mlp in a world without technological progress, very little artistic endeavors too. And who knows what space travel will bring, for all we know tech will save our species oneday, for better or worse. I think that if we acknowledge that tech will never stop going forward, because human nature dictates we try to apply ourselves beyond the day to day means, then the logical alternative is to guide it and ensure humane application of it instead.
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FireTails 27/08/2021 07:09
tl;dr eat the rich
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Conifer 27/08/2021 07:37
Uh, no?
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Sapare 27/08/2021 07:53
maybe eat out the rich
07:53
and they'll pay you the wage you are due. (edited)
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Conifer 27/08/2021 07:55
^
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FireTails 27/08/2021 17:05
Nope, just eat them.
17:06
Cause they wouldn't pay you squat even if you gave them the head of their life lol
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Conifer 27/08/2021 17:06
bullshit, rich people pay hookers better than the poor ones do, have you seen their wives?
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FireTails 27/08/2021 17:08
I don't even know where to begin with that one xD
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Conifer 27/08/2021 21:41
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_FgQEPaIGc
Count Dankula 2 : Electric Boogaloo
Taliban Executes Comedian While He Makes Fun Of Them
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Jesus christ
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Sapare 28/08/2021 00:14
what a legend, we can only hope of being half as brave.
00:15
hopefully he will be remembered.
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Sapare 28/08/2021 01:29
Also, wouldnt it make more sense to eat the poor? eating rich means you have to move their funds around.
01:29
eating poor is one step more streamlined.
01:30
though i guess they are more prone to be diseased.
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Conifer 28/08/2021 01:45
There's just something so special about the https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Meat_of_Champions
Meat of Champions
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSbD36MMzlo
The Damage Report
Conservative SCOTUS Mass Evicts Their Own
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Supreme Court blocked the eviction moritorium.
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So now people get evicted AND landlords get fuck-all money.
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:13
Thanks capitalism!
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:14
Pretty much.
18:14
They said in the video, the moritorium is to allow people to keep their homes, whilst also assuring landlords get some money in the meantime with a promise of the rest being paid off "in the future".
18:15
Except local governments are either being too incompetent, or are intentionally neglecting their duty to deliver their funds.
18:16
And now by ending the moritorium they are ensuring the BIG CORPORATE landlord companies get their money, but small guys renting a single condo? Likely to get nothing at all.
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:16
Of course not.
18:17
The little guy doesn't matter, duh
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:17
And, based on their framing, this is a conservative scotus evicting what is a majority conservative group of people.
18:18
"This is their chance to actually consider the ramifications of the system they're supporting. Do you think they'll do that, or will they blame democrats because they're in charge? Or course they'll blame Biden."
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Also some excellent roasting in the comments.
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:20
John Iadarola usually has some good roasts lol
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:20
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:20
mfw op is a duck
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:21
Why don't those good conservative Christian cities practice their supposed Christian love and house their brothers and sisters in need, instead?
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:21
ouch fuckin gottem
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:21
Going to need ointment for that burn.
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:22
For real
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:22
Also I can tell Conifer is triggered.
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:22
pikaYikes
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:22
wheeze2
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No shame, Conifer. We're all in good company.
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:23
^
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:24
The supreme court did not "block the eviction moratorium", they simply restated what they said earlier that neither Biden nor the CDC have the authority to implement the moratorium, that was the job of congress who had been given a timeline to institute a legal moratorium and failed to do so. Also, if you look at the cities with the largest home problems, you will also see that they all have democrat mayors, and have for decades in most cases
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:24
That is effectively blocking it.
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:24
Congress can't do anything right anyways.
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:24
those "conservative christian cities" do not have the issues of rampant homelessness that places like Portland or LA
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:24
They have the authority to give them the power in spite of congress.
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Hence the "supreme" court.
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:25
No, they don't
18:25
The supreme court serves to interpret the law
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not to create it
18:25
that is congress' job
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:25
Well they are incredibly biased.
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:25
So?
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:25
And in their interpretation, it's up to congress.
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:25
And besides, the video did do a good job of acknoledging that democrats have also not done a very good job at addressing the issue.
18:26
I think the title of the video is intended more as a draw into the subject of the moritorium.
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:26
I am watching other videos atm, I am just reacting to the conversation, not the video
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:26
Our discussion is pertaining to the video.
18:27
So I would value your input more if you were to watch it. Same goes for you, FireTails, and anyone else out there.
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:27
Well, I didn't watch the video either, but I know the convo and I know how John is so ASHehe (edited)
18:28
And the gf was sleeping, didn't want to wake her with politics
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fuck it, I'll have it playing while I'm grinding destiny
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:28
I don't just post these as an opportunity to dunk on conservatives (it's just a bonus). I want to give people the chance to see and understand what I see.
18:29
Got headphones, Firetails?
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:29
I'd post Secular Talk, if I wanted to try and convert poeple.
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But that's only cause Kyle is so fucking based sometimes.
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:29
lel
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:29
And yeah, I do, but my hair is wet :p
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:29
Who is Kyle and why should I watch him?
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Oh yeh. Headphones and wet hair, not always a good mix.
18:30
I think my glasses' arms are melting due to... I don't honestly know what.
18:30
Probably water. I bet it was water.
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:30
one last point before I leave this until I finish listening to my anime analysis videos Many of the landlords most affected by the moratorium are small landlords. The big companies can afford losses like the ones they are experiencing much more than people who only have one property. Many people being hurt by the moratorium either inherited a property from a deceased relative or are old/retired and are using that rent as a means to sustain themselves. Many small landlords have been denied their chances at upward mobility or the ability to sustain themselves because the government is saying people don't need to pay. Many small landlords have been forced to sell their property so as to avoid financial ruin, placing even more power in the hands of the conglomerates of wealthy people who seek to oppress the bourgeois.
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:32
Again, part of the moritorium is that the local government is supposed to send direct payments.
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:32
The guy on Secular Talk, he likes to dunk on stupid conservative and democrat talking points and political beliefs using hard logic and maybe objectivity. He's funny sometimes, too.
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:32
Aaah
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Oh, there was another guy.
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Cheesy Pony
Who is Kyle and why should I watch him?
FireTails 29/08/2021 18:32
Meant to reply to that one
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:32
He was really based but I don't remember his name.
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:32
Uhhhh
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thonk
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Cheesy Pony
Again, part of the moritorium is that the local government is supposed to send direct payments.
Conifer 29/08/2021 18:32
those payments are nothing compared to the financial losses experienced by those landlords and by accepting that government aid they are barred from pursuing the debt their tenants owe them
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:33
He used a hand puppet as a standing for "the other guys" and was great at tearing apart talking points, left and right.
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:33
Fuck the landlords. All playing Slum Lord simulator 2021.
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:33
sighs
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Cheesy Pony
He used a hand puppet as a standing for "the other guys" and was great at tearing apart talking points, left and right.
FireTails 29/08/2021 18:33
TJ Kirk?
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:33
maybe
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:33
He's the only one I could see using a damn hand puppet XD
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:33
Sorry, Conifer.
18:33
We have just kind of moved on, but I hear you.
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:34
kk, gonna try and ride out this caffeine rush now
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:34
And also, I just hate landlords ASakashrug If you've ever had to rent, you'd know.
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:34
I've always had to rent
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:34
Ouch
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:34
and I make $699 a month
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:34
Double ouch
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:34
and foodstamps
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:34
I rent and I have a decent relationship with my land-lady.
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:35
Yet conservative. WeirdChamp
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:35
But I also make more than enough to cover a 7k rent.
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:35
7k rent?!
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The fuck you live in some kind of mansion?!
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Yet conservative. WeirdChamp
Conifer 29/08/2021 18:35
no, yet ancap/minarchist with a few socialist tendencies due to my upbringing
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:35
xD
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:35
Literally a one-room cottage.
18:35
But it's a very nice cottage, in a gated neighbourhood.
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:35
$7k?
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:35
You live in a cottage, cheese?
ASHehe 1
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:35
Rand
18:36
Not dollars.
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:36
sentences that are different without the commas, lol
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:36
Rand Paul?
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:36
no, Ayn Rand (edited)
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:36
ah
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:36
$1 = R15
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:36
Wow, that's a cheap rent!
18:36
$466
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I think?
18:37
Guess if it's a one room cottage...
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:37
Fortunately I have a roommate that makes more money than me, so I only pay 450 of our 1200 or so
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:37
That is fortunate.
18:37
$1200 was the rent of our last place we rented. Was nice, too,
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FireTails
I think?
Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:38
Sounds close enough.
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:38
Mhm. He likes me as a person, I feel likewise, and he is willing to pay a bit extra so he can have a place with only one roommate, as opposed to his last place where he had like 4
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:38
That was $1200, in 2013 anyway.
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:38
That's including utilities, so water and electricity, and I buy my own gas refills.
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That is a HOUSE
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Murikan house.
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Timber frame? (edited)
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:39
3s02Nod I spent most of my life there. Uhh I think?
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:39
I vaguely remember the US like their all-wood+newspaper housing.
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:39
tfw youtube suggests me an over hour long documentary about Noam Chomsky even though I tend to watch right leaning political videos (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:39
It's fast to put up.
18:40
Also burns quickly.
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tfw youtube suggests me an over hour long documentary about Noam Chomsky even though I tend to watch right leaning political videos (edited)
FireTails 29/08/2021 18:40
It's trying to convert you HideriNANI
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:40
It almost always is
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:40
good
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ASHehe
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:40
In all seriousness, the right are on the wrong side of most things these days.
18:41
Left is always talking about helping the people, human rights, etc, all I hear about the right is christian values, guns, gun, and corporate rights (when it suits them).
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:41
I agree, but I can't help but sympathize cause I like guns
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:42
I cannot understand people's obsession with guns.
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:42
bang bang!
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PEPEgun
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:42
I have literally-- Oh, actually I have fired a hunting rifle.
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:42
See? Fun!
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:42
I forgot that one camping trip where I shot a catfish.
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:43
Poor catfish ASsad
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:43
about a month ago it tried to lure me in with a 45 minute video that ended by saying fallout new vegas was portraying state capitalism
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:43
I still don't see the need to have multiple on you at all times, though.
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about a month ago it tried to lure me in with a 45 minute video that ended by saying fallout new vegas was portraying state capitalism
FireTails 29/08/2021 18:43
yeah but that's kinda true though
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:43
I beg to differ
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Cheesy Pony
I still don't see the need to have multiple on you at all times, though.
FireTails 29/08/2021 18:43
I have 13 in my house 3s02Nod
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:43
For hunting? Sure. On your person with high velocity armour pearcing rounds at all times? Uh...Nah. (edited)
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:43
He compared new vegas to Singapore
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:44
Fallout: New Vegas? To Singapore?
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I don't see the likeness, like at all.
18:45
Also never found that guy who used the puppet.
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:c
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:46
I don't know who it is! Sowwy!
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Cheesy Pony
Left is always talking about helping the people, human rights, etc, all I hear about the right is christian values, guns, gun, and corporate rights (when it suits them).
Conifer 29/08/2021 18:46
The left is about supressing peoples speech, making people feel better, suppressing peoples ability to resist corrupt government, and corporate rights (how do you think they get their money?), and the right is about personal freedoms, self-determination, and self-accountability (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:47
No, completely wrong.
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:47
Uhh yeah I don't know about that one chief.
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:47
What about supressing people's ability to vote is protecting their right to "self-determination"?
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Also never found that guy who used the puppet.
FireTails 29/08/2021 18:47
Paul joseph watson?
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:47
What about banning abortion is about "personal freedom"?
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:48
Apparently a far right conspiracy theorist?
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Lol
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:48
Ah yes, you needing a state ID to vote just like you need one to buy cigarettes, tobacco, or APPLY FOR A JOB is voter spression (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:48
Not just that.
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They're also purging people from the balod registration.
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:48
And not all on the right hate abortion, you forget libertarians are on the right
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:48
And try any of the ~200 bills they've proposed or passed just this year that will restriction people's right to vote.
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:49
I have not heard of any ballot purging, but to be fair, countless dead or non-existant people are registered to vote
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:49
How about the Republican members of congress who voted against certifying Biden's election, even though no evidence of fraud could be found, even after a LITERAL INSURRECTIOn staged by Trump to try and overturn the US government?
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Cheesy Pony
And try any of the ~200 bills they've proposed or passed just this year that will restriction people's right to vote.
Conifer 29/08/2021 18:50
Are you talking about texas where they are simply trying to make it so that the temporary solutions for pandemic voting are just temporary?
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:50
Also there have been many cases of republican voters committing fraud to vote for trump, so to say that it's democrats doing it is... hypocrytical at best.
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I'm talking about Georgia.
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Cheesy Pony
How about the Republican members of congress who voted against certifying Biden's election, even though no evidence of fraud could be found, even after a LITERAL INSURRECTIOn staged by Trump to try and overturn the US government?
Conifer 29/08/2021 18:51
That was not an insurrection, it was a bunch of LARpers who got in over their head and made our whole side look like a bunch of yahoos. And after the events of Jan. 6 most of the republican congress members stopped trying to dispute the election, even Rand Paul, the most vocal of the opposition
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Also there have been many cases of republican voters committing fraud to vote for trump, so to say that it's democrats doing it is... hypocrytical at best.
Conifer 29/08/2021 18:51
I dislike hypocrisy, but the actions of a minority do not discount the majority
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:51
Also they have been attacking voting by mail across the board. You know why? It's because it makes voting easier. When you make voting easier, more people vote. When more people vote republicans lose.
18:52
It's gone so far that republicans have even hurt themselves in Florida, where traditionally a lot of their voting base have voted by mail.
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Also they have been attacking voting by mail across the board. You know why? It's because it makes voting easier. When you make voting easier, more people vote. When more people vote republicans lose.
Conifer 29/08/2021 18:52
Voting by mail is awful. I say this as someone who lives in a state that has had mail in voting my entire life. It is nowhere near as effective as people would like to say
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it is hard to implement well
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And very clunky
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I have not heard of any ballot purging, but to be fair, countless dead or non-existant people are registered to vote
FireTails 29/08/2021 18:52
https://twitter.com/i/status/1325642505199611904
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:53
often ballots get mailed to addresses where the individual in question doesn't even live their any more
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:53
Especially when you have DeJoy (a Trump appointee) tearing apart the mail system to intentionally make voting by mail bad.
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:54
Anyway, I'm gonna actually pay attention to what my bf is saying in this call I'm in, lol (edited)
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cya
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1325642505199611904
Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:54
Also worth noting that of the numbers I've seen, the cases of voting fraud have been something like: 8 in 8,000,000 and all of them were for Trump. (edited)
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Not real numbers, of course, but it's in that ballpark.
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FireTails 29/08/2021 18:55
Exactly lol A lot of voter fraud cases that popped up were legit all for trump ASHehe
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Also worth noting that of the numbers I've seen, the cases of voting fraud have been something like: 8 in 8,000,000 and all of them were for Trump. (edited)
Conifer 29/08/2021 18:55
real quick bfore I go, what about all the votes that just didn't get counted? there are plenty of cases where votes were just removed by people, including postal workers
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:56
Also in the case of New Yorn(?) where some dicrepancies were found... That's more of a case that the system does work. If there was massive fraud like Rep's like to claim, we would have found it by now.
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real quick bfore I go, what about all the votes that just didn't get counted? there are plenty of cases where votes were just removed by people, including postal workers
Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:56
Give me evidence that this actually happened, then maybe we can talk.
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:57
https://youtu.be/n_yxlukbwqk
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More Voter Fraud EXPOSED, Mailman Pleads Guilty, Cat Gets Voter For...
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:57
I know Republicans have attempted to get massive amounts of votes thrown out, via the courts.
18:57
And they have since attempted to change the rules so their state court can throw out votes without evidence (thankfully that was shot down)
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:58
Where?
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:58
I think that was also Goergia.
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:58
The only thing I have heard is that in Texas they are trying to make it so that you can verifiably prove someone won through fraud the election is overturned
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:58
I might be projecting my memories onto one state, though.
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:59
and that is only for state elections, not federal
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:59
I know most of their efforts have been focused on states that were swing states in 2020
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Conifer 29/08/2021 18:59
anyway, seriously gonna hang out with my bf, for realsies this time
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 18:59
Go have fun
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Cheesy Pony 29/08/2021 21:16
Key & Peel, but it's kind of political. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjs68UszPh4
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If Civil War Reenactments Were Honest - Key & Peele
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Cheesy Pony 30/08/2021 17:16
"Your rights end where they infringe upon the lives of others" says the courts as they strike down and label DeSantis' mask ban as unconstitutional. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccAH2he0OrY
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Burger 30/08/2021 19:06
More reasons to homeschool then
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Cheesy Pony 30/08/2021 19:29
Sure.
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If you homschool you have no reason to wear masks. You're not exposing yourself or others to any risk if you stay home.
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Burger 30/08/2021 19:32
Oh no I'd hope to homeschool and then meet up with other homeschoolers so kids can still socialize too
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Just don't want the stuff they push in schools now
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Cheesy Pony 30/08/2021 19:47
Then better wear a mask when they meet.
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Or don't.
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Then you have no one to blame but yourself when they die.
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Burger 30/08/2021 20:07
I'd say the usual die standing then live on knees but I know it won't change much
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If you are worried about it, look after yourself and stay locked in, I'm not forcing my way into your home. But just leave those that don't to their own devices and don't try to lock them down
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Heck, want to make sure they don't want to be in your business, allow companies to discriminate but do it wholesale
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Much like how I argue with the "Bake the gay cake bigot!" Arguement. Why not allow shops to serve who they want and allow competition that serves those they don't serve, if more go to one then the other, then that answers the question
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Why not go right to the end and allow stores like Blacks only, Whites only, Gays only, Straights only ect. Then just let the markets sort themselves out and those that succeed would be those that cater to those that want them most. And if that happens to be everyone, then that's a win win.
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Sorry I've gone off on about of a tangent but I thinking of mandates just makes me think this could be sorted far easier by allowing businesses to choose the "better" choice rather then forcing it on them
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Sapare 31/08/2021 01:28
What exactly is your moral justification for wishing the moratorium to stay? Because let us think about this: You sign a contract with someone to live on their soil, in their house, a place they themselves have to keep repaired and maintained. Something completely unrelated happens that costs you your job(supposedly), and now you want the government to go to person A and hold a gun to their head saying they can not follow on the contract they signed with you, because capitalism evil? I am not sure I understand where people get off on this self entitlement, if it was ANY other government system other than communism you still be out on the street, the anarchist and the monarchists sure won't let you neg out on contracts either, though maybe anarchist let you go with might makes right, but the landlord will have more might. If you endorse a gov system for the sake of stealing peoples property and letting people freeload on it, I can assure you, in 50 years it will have been "not real communism", because a gov literally made for self enrichment is never going to take off. This is such a nonstarter, the gov never had the legal authority to put in a moratorium on personal contracts anyway, they are effectively confiscating property from millions of people, highly illegal. And place loyal puppets who are monetary dependent on them in those homes, endangering the landowners, highly immoral. And that is ignoring the fact that its been THIS way for over a year now. Its honestly disgusting that there is no winning move with views like this, short of the moratorium lasting indefinitely it will never have been enough. The moratorium was made, then extended, then ended, then the lawmakers said it was enough, Biden breaks the law to try to prolong it and the highest court does its most basic job of saying "braking law is bad yall", and its still "evil capitalism". Lastly, socialist Canada ended their moratorium months ago, back in July.
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Sapare 31/08/2021 01:53
Also appreciate that Biden is trying so hard to inspire a new Jagged Alliance game with the events in Afghanistan, I hope he gets to make a cameo if it ever happens.
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What exactly is your moral justification for wishing the moratorium to stay? Because let us think about this: You sign a contract with someone to live on their soil, in their house, a place they themselves have to keep repaired and maintained. Something completely unrelated happens that costs you your job(supposedly), and now you want the government to go to person A and hold a gun to their head saying they can not follow on the contract they signed with you, because capitalism evil? I am not sure I understand where people get off on this self entitlement, if it was ANY other government system other than communism you still be out on the street, the anarchist and the monarchists sure won't let you neg out on contracts either, though maybe anarchist let you go with might makes right, but the landlord will have more might. If you endorse a gov system for the sake of stealing peoples property and letting people freeload on it, I can assure you, in 50 years it will have been "not real communism", because a gov literally made for self enrichment is never going to take off. This is such a nonstarter, the gov never had the legal authority to put in a moratorium on personal contracts anyway, they are effectively confiscating property from millions of people, highly illegal. And place loyal puppets who are monetary dependent on them in those homes, endangering the landowners, highly immoral. And that is ignoring the fact that its been THIS way for over a year now. Its honestly disgusting that there is no winning move with views like this, short of the moratorium lasting indefinitely it will never have been enough. The moratorium was made, then extended, then ended, then the lawmakers said it was enough, Biden breaks the law to try to prolong it and the highest court does its most basic job of saying "braking law is bad yall", and its still "evil capitalism". Lastly, socialist Canada ended their moratorium months ago, back in July.
TheyCallMeTrinity 31/08/2021 02:18
What exactly is your moral justification for wishing the moratorium to stay?
Mostly the lack of political will to give handouts specifically to ensure most people don't get evicted/starve if they happen to lose their jobs. Not to mention the logistical issues to ensure that it's enough for most while not being tempting enough to be abused, as rent in Toledo OH is not nearly the same as os Angeles CA. Also, the specific crisis that made the moratorium happen in the first place was much easier to deal with by ensuring there wasn't a relatively sudden large influx of homeless going around. If no special factors, beyond the loss of their job from the renting party, are considered, the one who has more resources to weather the crisis is going to be the landlord, not the renter. Not to mention that private contracts do have exceptions for extraordinary times... and these are one.
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Also appreciate that Biden is trying so hard to inspire a new Jagged Alliance game with the events in Afghanistan, I hope he gets to make a cameo if it ever happens.
TheyCallMeTrinity 31/08/2021 02:23
That tends to happen when a nation fucks around a place for 20 years while not offering anything the actual majority of the population would be interested in.
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What exactly is your moral justification for wishing the moratorium to stay?
Mostly the lack of political will to give handouts specifically to ensure most people don't get evicted/starve if they happen to lose their jobs. Not to mention the logistical issues to ensure that it's enough for most while not being tempting enough to be abused, as rent in Toledo OH is not nearly the same as os Angeles CA. Also, the specific crisis that made the moratorium happen in the first place was much easier to deal with by ensuring there wasn't a relatively sudden large influx of homeless going around. If no special factors, beyond the loss of their job from the renting party, are considered, the one who has more resources to weather the crisis is going to be the landlord, not the renter. Not to mention that private contracts do have exceptions for extraordinary times... and these are one.
Sapare 31/08/2021 03:14
1. Your justification for stealing peoples property and rights is that otherwise the gov wouldn't be stealing peoples property or rights, those handouts have to come from somewhere, forced charity is theft. 2. If the plan was for it to NOT be abused, considering the complete lack of economic recovery I think it failed. 3. The crisis is self inflicted, the lockdown, not covid, caused the moratorium. This is also not a solution, eventually the buck needs to be payed, you'll have the homeless sooner or later. Also not sure "bad thing will happen" is justification for threats and theft. Bad things will happen from smoking weed, most people still want it legalized. 4. IF the landlords can weather the crisis (which is not even often true, many landlords have their life staked in these properties) that is only because they were more financially competent and solvent. Our society is already way to build on consumerism and discourages smart financial management, you are only acting to drag everyone down to the same "live by paycheck" standards that caused this crisis in the first place. 5. If the private contract permitted exceptions it should have covered itself, and not require the gov to break laws to enforce, so its either handled on contract or its not, it can't be both. (edited)
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The sad thing is that there are legit issues in land ownership, foreign investors, red tape to construction, etc. But for years those get pushed under the rug, and this is the solution? The truly rich landowners don't care if you don't have to pay your rent, they wait it out and then probably sue you into oblivion anyway, or worse. But the mom and pop who are renting out their retirement home are the ones with hands bound and losing thousands of dollars every month because some kid wants a free pass. (edited)
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Conifer 31/08/2021 03:22
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TheLaugh 31/08/2021 05:37
^^
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Burger 31/08/2021 08:45
This is just the same as companies making a monopoly via regulations
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Cheesy Pony 31/08/2021 08:51
This is not about infringing your rights. This is about protecting people's lives from a deadly virus that has already killed millions. And I'm sorry to say this, but when it comes to other people's lives YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS. You have a right to drink. You have a right to drive. You do not have a right to drink and drive. It's exactly people like you who are the reason mandates like this exist. If people would juat stop being selfish gits and wear their masks then this pandemic would be over a lot sooner.
08:52
Like I said before, if you don't agree with it, fine. Don't wear a mask. Stay the fuck home
08:52
But if you put yourself at risk, and you or your children die because of it, that is your own damn fault and I will have zero sympathy for you.
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And that is the last I will hear on this matter.
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Burger 31/08/2021 09:07
Oh related to what I said about monopoly via government regulations https://youtu.be/WrTuxc4W8gs
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Burger 31/08/2021 09:15
Also Cheesy, what if those jobs people had were going to soon be gone anyway? Should we be using taxes, which is money everyone in successful jobs (but don't have enough money to pay lawyers to find loopholes) to pay to keep those whose jobs are no longer needed? Should there be subsidies for all the horse shoe makers that went out of business thanks to the invention of cars? You know what most of those people ended up doing when that industry collapsed? They went and found other jobs or became more specialised so that they could cater for a now smaller market
09:18
In fact the biggest thing that could help these people out would be to make it easier to start a new business. Most of these people being helped by this are from the service industry like cinemas and restaurants, but cinemas in particular were on the decline well before all these lockdowns, this only just sped up the decline
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Cheesy Pony 31/08/2021 09:21
This is unrelated to what I was talking about, so I feel no need to have to answer.
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Burger 31/08/2021 09:33
Ok well related then, people should be allowed to drink and people should be allowed to drive. But it's their choice if they want to mix the two and they have to deal with the fallout that happens when they do. But if you wanted government to step in like they have with lockdowns like this, they would just make alcohol or cars illegal so less people get hurt. This is what has happened with Australia, who are hunting down those just leaving their house just to go for a walk with no one around. If they want to risk themselves (Which seems to be less risk then the 'vaccine' itself if figures are right) going around then that's their own choice. If your choice is to stay indoors then that's fine, but why should the rest be forced to conform to your decision to stay indoors. Should we have been staying in all the time because all the agoraphobes couldn't go outside despite them only making up around 1.3% of a population?
09:40
Also if this pandemic was as bad as they say, then there would be bodies lining the streets like the black death and the few doctors still alive would be barely seen except by those maybe on their deathbed. But instead they are too busy making tiktok dance videos then dealing with patients (edited)
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TheLaugh 31/08/2021 10:35
not to mention that the numbers were inflated originally
10:38
here's reuters trying to say the numbers weren't inflated after the PCR testing guidelines changed
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https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-who-instructions-pcr-guidan/fact-check-who-released-guidance-on-proper-use-of-tests-it-did-not-admit-pcr-tests-showed-inflated-infection-numbers-idUSKBN2A429W
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View NPR's maps and graphics to see where COVID-19 is hitting hardest in the U.S., which state outbreaks are under control and where cases are still spreading.
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and yet if you look at the chart today
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you can see covid numbers did in fact drop on january 14th
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coincidently, also the same day Biden became president
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and before the vaccines were readily available
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when you also include that anyone with covid is considered a covid death, even if the death wasn't caused by covid
10:41
you have inflated death numbers
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and according to the official tracker, there hasn't even been a million deaths in the U.S. and, again, considering deaths were considered covid deaths when covid wasn't even the cause of death
10:42
inflated numbers
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Burger 31/08/2021 11:44
Yeah the news tends to called it "death within 24 hours of a positive covid test"
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So if people die within 24 hours of sleeping, can we say that sleep killed all those people?
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TheLaugh 31/08/2021 11:46
well, the point is thats what they do with Covid. they literally inflate the numbers because... Well, at this point, i have no idea why other than a few guesses i'd have
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but considering when the PCR testing and results reading changed (Biden's inaugeration) I could say without a doubt that it was to make Trump look bad
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Burger 31/08/2021 11:47
I read many hospitals receive funds for every positive covid test they have since "They need more resources to deal with it"
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So I wouldn't say it's just that, but a combination of hospitals wanting to get as much free money as they can and the politicians setting it up that way for their own goal
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TheLaugh 31/08/2021 11:49
considering insurance payouts, and just the fees they charge
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that doesn't sound far off
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Also if this pandemic was as bad as they say, then there would be bodies lining the streets like the black death and the few doctors still alive would be barely seen except by those maybe on their deathbed. But instead they are too busy making tiktok dance videos then dealing with patients (edited)
TheyCallMeTrinity 31/08/2021 16:58
https://www.ansa.it/english/news/2020/03/19/coronavirus-army-takes-bergamo-coffins-out-of-lombardy_6903e8f3-c6d8-4a1c-909b-f415acf1a2b9.html
Coronavirus: Army takes Bergamo coffins out of Lombardy - English
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This happened just last year. I'd say overwhelming crematoriums with the dead, in a society where most people die in the hospital, is pretty telling. Not to mention that, before it was even named and defined as a threath, there were, indeed, videos going around of people dropping dead in the street.
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well, the point is thats what they do with Covid. they literally inflate the numbers because... Well, at this point, i have no idea why other than a few guesses i'd have
TheyCallMeTrinity 31/08/2021 17:07
The fact that there's no particular reason to do it isn't a telltale enough sign that something's amiss with the idea it's being purposefully inflated or deflated? If hospitals get a cut from having a lot of patients, why didn't they do it by taking flu deaths, and spreading it around on other illnesses that look like influenza until they sudden't don't, like meningitis? It's not like the government would notice if they did, since otherwise the ruse would be discovered prety rapidly.
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1. Your justification for stealing peoples property and rights is that otherwise the gov wouldn't be stealing peoples property or rights, those handouts have to come from somewhere, forced charity is theft. 2. If the plan was for it to NOT be abused, considering the complete lack of economic recovery I think it failed. 3. The crisis is self inflicted, the lockdown, not covid, caused the moratorium. This is also not a solution, eventually the buck needs to be payed, you'll have the homeless sooner or later. Also not sure "bad thing will happen" is justification for threats and theft. Bad things will happen from smoking weed, most people still want it legalized. 4. IF the landlords can weather the crisis (which is not even often true, many landlords have their life staked in these properties) that is only because they were more financially competent and solvent. Our society is already way to build on consumerism and discourages smart financial management, you are only acting to drag everyone down to the same "live by paycheck" standards that caused this crisis in the first place. 5. If the private contract permitted exceptions it should have covered itself, and not require the gov to break laws to enforce, so its either handled on contract or its not, it can't be both. (edited)
TheyCallMeTrinity 31/08/2021 17:09
If your belief is that taxation is theft, then it's hard to argue in good faith about it, given that we have utterly incompatible views of how things should work.
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If your belief is that taxation is theft, then it's hard to argue in good faith about it, given that we have utterly incompatible views of how things should work.
Conifer 31/08/2021 17:16
Ah yes, the most classic political argument. "we have incompatible worldviews so I can't even engage in discourse with you"
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TheyCallMeTrinity 31/08/2021 17:20
. The crisis is self inflicted, the lockdown, not covid, caused the moratorium. This is also not a solution, eventually the buck needs to be payed, you'll have the homeless sooner or later. Also not sure "bad thing will happen" is justification for threats and theft. Bad things will happen from smoking weed, most people still want it legalized.
That's like saying that it's not fault of theatre fires that people died in stampedes to the exist, it was the fault of fire escape procedures in themselves. Government response might not have been splendid in a lot of cases, but trucking on would've only lead to a spiraling situation of completely self-inflicted paranoia (remember Ebola and Swine Flu and MERS scares? Now imagine them actually mattering to Europe and North America as a whole, instead of being nothingburgers caused by fearmongering about diseases with either shit vectors, or lethality so high it stopped the spread by itself) that would've done as much damage as a lockdown, but with additional dead people, including ones who couldn't have been cured due to occupied bed space. Also, the idea was that once the lockdown ended, and businesses who couldn't work at all during the lockdown due to their very nature were able to look for employees again, that the moratorium could've been lifted because people could look for work again and pay their bills and rent (or at that point they could be kicked out if they were getting evicted for bad behaviour, which is a possibility). As for why it was important to do this, a lockdown with many people unable to take proper shelter somewhere is not going work, as India demonstrated.
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Ah yes, the most classic political argument. "we have incompatible worldviews so I can't even engage in discourse with you"
TheyCallMeTrinity 31/08/2021 17:22
I believe that all rights, including the right to private proprety, are emanated by the State, and are revokable at any moment. He believes that rights are inherent, and that taxation is not within the State's own capabilities without proper justification. We can respect each others' opinions, but once a discussion gets going, the closer to discussing the core, the harder it is to actually discuss anything, as opposed to devolve in shouting matches.
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I believe that all rights, including the right to private proprety, are emanated by the State, and are revokable at any moment. He believes that rights are inherent, and that taxation is not within the State's own capabilities without proper justification. We can respect each others' opinions, but once a discussion gets going, the closer to discussing the core, the harder it is to actually discuss anything, as opposed to devolve in shouting matches.
Conifer 31/08/2021 17:25
Rights are inherent, they are not granted by the state. That is one of the principle ideas presented in Jean Jacque Rousseau's The Social Contract which was very important in inspiring the framers of the US Constitution and all later constitutional democracies, republics, etc. The preamble of our constitution's preamble even includes a statement of these inherent rights.
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TheyCallMeTrinity 31/08/2021 17:36
IF the landlords can weather the crisis (which is not even often true, many landlords have their life staked in these properties) that is only because they were more financially competent and solvent. Our society is already way to build on consumerism and discourages smart financial management, you are only acting to drag everyone down to the same "live by paycheck" standards that caused this crisis in the first place.
This assumes that it is possible to be competent and solvent in a way that makes you able to weather not just "rainy days", but entire hurriacane seasons. Wages are growing slower than inflation is, meaning that a salary that in the 1990 could make you able to save up for a house in 5-10 years if you renounced to going out every night and eating out more than thrice a year, in 2020 could possibly mean choosing between utilities and food: that's not exactly sustainable, and while someone is bound to found themselves screwed over like that, increasing their numbers isn't wise. The problem takes longer than a few years to solve, so a stopgap was to make rent a non-issue for the time being.
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Also Cheesy, what if those jobs people had were going to soon be gone anyway? Should we be using taxes, which is money everyone in successful jobs (but don't have enough money to pay lawyers to find loopholes) to pay to keep those whose jobs are no longer needed? Should there be subsidies for all the horse shoe makers that went out of business thanks to the invention of cars? You know what most of those people ended up doing when that industry collapsed? They went and found other jobs or became more specialised so that they could cater for a now smaller market
TheyCallMeTrinity 31/08/2021 17:49
Also Cheesy, what if those jobs people had were going to soon be gone anyway? Should we be using taxes, which is money everyone in successful jobs (but don't have enough money to pay lawyers to find loopholes) to pay to keep those whose jobs are no longer needed?
You try to help them out finding something else to do, and if they can't be retrained because they're too old, be prepared to support them. Letting them go like that and telling them, essentially, "stop being poor" is only going to disrupt social harmony out of a feeling of unfairness. It's unfair that I had to personally mantain two secretaries that couldn't find jobs elsewhere, because they were used to be overly specialized in their workplace while working at my dad's, until they reached retirement age. Would I have been right to do so? Given that by firing them, they would've been left without a pension, I'd say so. The idea is that, mutanda mutandis , many similar situations happen elsewhere, and that, for every slcker who got a job at Subway to get enough money to smoke weed while complaining about money problems, there were five 40-somethings working in mom&pop shops (or even supermarkets) that would've have been able to survive due to downsizing because of medical bills, specific needs, or plain dumb bad luck right before the shitstorm.
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If your belief is that taxation is theft, then it's hard to argue in good faith about it, given that we have utterly incompatible views of how things should work.
Sapare 31/08/2021 21:12
Complete non sequitur.
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The leap from "Forced charity is theft" to "all taxation is theft, you are incompatible with world view" is... wow. That is like someone saying you should eat responsibly, and being told its insane to tell people to never eat any food at all. (edited)
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Unless of course your understanding of taxation is = Charity for all poor and everyone in a society.
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At which point, communists schools strike again?
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that is not what taxation is sir.
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Conifer 31/08/2021 22:21
^
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Didn't think sapare's view was that taxation is theft, but didn't wanna speak on his behalf
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Sapare 31/08/2021 22:30
I am funny enough generally pretty anti tax, being a libertarian, pro small gov and all. But I can argue one point without dragging a completely unrelated one into it. I can argue anti forced charity without having to justify my concerns bout taxation. Taxation has nothing to do with charity and never has, Taxation is money meant to maintain the core state operations. Primarily the military(historically), then state bureaucracy, and finally internal infrastructure. Anything beyond is bloat and while it can be addressed with taxation that is not mandatory or even common. Yes the gov is trying to roll more and more into tax but that is primarily to obfuscate its finances and not needed for the concept of taxation to exist. Fees alike income tax existed for hundreds of years and certainly you wont tell me that medieval societies where socialist utopias because they had "taxation". (edited)
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Flutterpony 01/09/2021 00:03
I think the only inalienable rights are rights that by their nature are inalienable. There are rights worth fighting for under most if not any circumstance, including life itself. Liberty is not without a cost, nor is the pursuit of happiness or property. Some hope to claim rights without claiming the corresponding responsibility while others hope that if they're responsible, their rights will be handed to them easily. There's a lot of truth behind the statement, "mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed." (edited)
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The only inalienable right that comes to mind is the right to think and act within our natural or divine capabilities, whether that action is only to ponder, to pray, to plan to change, to work, to fight, to acquiesce, etc.
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Flutterpony 01/09/2021 00:13
The state or society ought to afford rights or reverence to living beings and their homes or situations. The right to freedom of expression, for instance, benefits us when we exercises it responsibly. State leadership can't conscionably alienate such a right and if they do they make themselves unavoidably accountable for what evil is done by that alienation. Meanwhile, any good done under the restrictions placed by the state is either not to their credit (would have been done regardless of the law) or else the good is artificial and risks quickly being undone when the state fails.
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I'm partly just thinking out loud, not sure. It's difficult to delineate which rights humanity ought to fight to protect by statehood.
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Flutterpony 01/09/2021 00:36
I think we both need the state to protect rights while we also need it to not interfere with those rights. The popularism that we should only afford rights to others as long as said rights don't infringe upon others' rights is flawed. The best we can do is support society's ability to change, and that means protecting speech and other means to influence.
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Eg. protect the ability of society to change by protecting democracy.
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Cheesy Pony 02/09/2021 13:49
Key & Peele are legit legends, lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTLcsaRXpVw
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Sapare 03/09/2021 02:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbShnXpeaaE Ah yes, the reckless shill and conservative mouthpiece Tucker, attacking the left hero... Lindsey Graham?
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FireTails 03/09/2021 04:49
Laugh
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Cheesy Pony 03/09/2021 11:25
You weekly 'Murika news https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gudBJFhoNbI
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Conifer 03/09/2021 23:34
https://youtu.be/emqlEK4HH0A
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TheLaugh 03/09/2021 23:44
>watch video
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>Idiots literally think people want the snake venom itself to cure covid and not its components (edited)
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>Snake venom components that are used to make a bunch of other cures
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these guys are very disingenuous, I see
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Come on, Cheesy, at least post someone more competent
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Cheesy Pony 04/09/2021 00:37
"let's build a wall" they said, "what could go wrong" they said. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/167248096164577280/883453765930340382/image0.jpg
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>Idiots literally think people want the snake venom itself to cure covid and not its components (edited)
Cheesy Pony 04/09/2021 00:40
Looks like someone didn't watch the whole video, or they did and understood half the words. They literally explained everything you just said in the video.
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And given some idiots are going out taking horse meds to treat covid, I wouldn't put it past the same idiots to not try drinking snake venom too.
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The video isn't only about the snake stuff, though. That's just the front page story.
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They also cover the oxygen shortages in Florida (among other places), and Texas's ban on abortion.
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It's pretty hypocritical for people on the right to be spouting bullshit about personal freedoms and small government whilst literally supporting a government mandate to control what women can choose with their own bodies. (edited)
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Conifer 04/09/2021 00:47
Just like it's hypocritical for folks on the left to say "my body my choice" and then say you need to have a medical procedure (a vaccine) performed on you
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Now I personally do believe in personal freedoms, and I find the Texas abortion law atrocious
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But I'm sure we can agree there are hypocrites on both sides of the aisle
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so lets not use the stupid people on either side to generalize what everyone is like
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TheLaugh 04/09/2021 01:21
>Decide to check on this epidemic of people using the animal version of ivermectin. >multiple reports of ERs overfilling with people on the drug. >Click on them. >Barely any information on that, and instead get absolutly huge paragraphs on how Ivermectin has a humand and animal version, and that it hasn't been approved by the FDA to treat Covid. Hm... something off here
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you can't have ERs overfilling with covid, and then suddenly with something else
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And given some idiots are going out taking horse meds to treat covid, I wouldn't put it past the same idiots to not try drinking snake venom too.
Conifer 04/09/2021 01:22
Did you know that same medication has won a Nobel prize and has shown potential in treatment for malaria in humans?
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TheLaugh 04/09/2021 01:22
then again, I've been in florida hospitals various times during the times they were overfilled and i can attest that there was almost nobody fucking there
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Cheesy Pony 04/09/2021 01:23
There is a slight difference between forcing your religious beliefs onto people even in the face of evidence that your position will lead to more suffering and death, and doing strongly encouraging people to take a well-established, safe, and effective vaccine in the interest of saving lives.
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Conifer 04/09/2021 01:23
It's not just a "horse dewormer" as people have been calling it, it is a potent antiviral agent
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TheLaugh 04/09/2021 01:23
this includes ohio hospitals too, as i had gone twice
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Cheesy Pony 04/09/2021 01:23
Also last I checked no one was forcing you to take it.
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TheLaugh 04/09/2021 01:24
>no one was forcing you to take it
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where have you been, cheesy?
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Cheesy Pony
There is a slight difference between forcing your religious beliefs onto people even in the face of evidence that your position will lead to more suffering and death, and doing strongly encouraging people to take a well-established, safe, and effective vaccine in the interest of saving lives.
Conifer 04/09/2021 01:24
I'm not talking about people's religious convictions and if that is your understanding of the perspectives pro lifers have you need to meet more people
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It's not just a "horse dewormer" as people have been calling it, it is a potent antiviral agent
Cheesy Pony 04/09/2021 01:25
And a neural toxin. The compound itself isn't at question here, it's the fact people are literally buying doses of the stuff formulated for horses and then end up having to call poison control because those doses are typically fatal to humans
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TheLaugh 04/09/2021 01:25
>people are
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no
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people 'reportadly' are
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Cheesy Pony 04/09/2021 01:25
They are
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TheLaugh 04/09/2021 01:26
and 'reportedly' is never true in cases like this, especially when no actual data is present
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and from these articles
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no data is being presented
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its as believable as '60 reportedly accuse one guy of rape'. and we all know how that goes
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idiots believe it until proof comes out that its either not true, or they consented
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Give me the data on these overfilled ERs that suddenly overfill with people on this drug and suddenly not overfilled by covid patients like it had been reported before
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and i'll believe it
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because its the same shit as the hydrochloriquine shit
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Conifer 04/09/2021 01:28
I believe people are free to pump themselves full of whatever chemicals they please provided they don't harm others
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TheLaugh 04/09/2021 01:28
where ERs were 'filling' with people on tablets when for fish
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and it turned out not to even be in the fucking hundreds
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Cheesy Pony 04/09/2021 01:29
Try this. You'll find it very informative as it covers pretty much the full picture. https://time.com/6092368/americas-frontline-doctors-covid-19-misinformation/
How 'America's Frontline Doctors' Sold Access to Ivermectin
"My wife is in the ICU now. Had I gotten the meds she would have been fine.”
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Conifer 04/09/2021 01:30
Hasn't time magazine pretty much been opinion pieces since at least 2012?
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TheLaugh 04/09/2021 01:30
Over the past three months, a TIME investigation found, hundreds of AFLD customers and donors have accused the group of touting a service promising prescriptions for ivermectin, which medical authorities say should not be taken to treat or prevent COVID-19, and failing to deliver after a fee had been paid.
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Cheesy Pony 04/09/2021 01:31
Don't care what you this. I read the article, it was extremely detailed.
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TheLaugh 04/09/2021 01:31
you mean people paying to get the human verison of the drug and not getting it due to a scam group?
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good job Cheesy
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Cheesy Pony 04/09/2021 01:31
It covers everything
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Like I said
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Not just the group
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TheLaugh 04/09/2021 01:31
An Iraq study saw a quicker recovery time with using ivermectin, but the test was done on only 70 patients. In a small double-blind, randomized placebo-controlled trial in Israel with a group of 89 patients, those taking ivermectin saw lower viral loads than those who didn't receive the drug.
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Cheesy Pony 04/09/2021 01:31
But the whole story since hydroxyshit
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TheLaugh 04/09/2021 01:31
from the same article
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There are also studies that show otherwise. A clinical trial of 476 patients found ivermectin didn't improve the recovery time in patients who had COVID-19. A review of 10 random clinical trials, with more than 1,000 participants, also didn't find improvements with ivermectin. One Egyptian study claimed to show positive results, but it's since been redacted over ethical concerns. Another study, of 1,500 patients, found that ivermectin had "no effect whatsoever."
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interesting....redacted
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and it doesn't say where this particular clinical trial took place
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but it did for the iraqi one
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and the 'redacted' one
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TIME picking and choosing as usual
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and not reporting on the full notes
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Cheesy Pony 04/09/2021 01:33
I believe they meant to say "retracted"
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I don't see the relevance of where the study was conducted
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TheLaugh 04/09/2021 01:33
>retracted
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>despite it saying redacted right there
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Cheesy Pony 04/09/2021 01:34
>imagine not knowing what a typo is
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Conifer 04/09/2021 01:34
Ah yes, because all studies from all universities are created equal
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TheLaugh 04/09/2021 01:34
>imagine not knowing what redacted means
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Conifer 04/09/2021 01:35
The location the study is from is relevant because for example, a study from harvard is more likely to be well ran and checked for things like selection bias then some ho dunk little hospital in north carolina. Where a study is from shows a lot
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Katie 04/09/2021 01:36
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/jul/16/huge-study-supporting-ivermectin-as-covid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns talks about the Egyptian study in question
Huge study supporting ivermectin as Covid treatment withdrawn over ...
The preprint endorsing ivermectin as a coronavirus therapy has been widely cited, but independent researchers find glaring discrepancies in the data
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Cheesy Pony 04/09/2021 01:37
>imagine being so stupid as to get scammed by a company promising a wonder drug despite no clear evidence that it has any significant benefits >whilst refusing to take the thoroughly tested and approved vaccine that has been taken by thousands of people before you with little to no ill effects >imagine not wanting to take something because you don't know what's in it but will willingly take an unproven drug that even the producers of said drug are telling you "do not take this"
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Conifer 04/09/2021 01:38
"thoroughly tested vaccine"
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Cheesy Pony 04/09/2021 01:39
Almost as stupid as the people who think wearing a mask is infringing their freedoms.
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TheLaugh 04/09/2021 01:39
"little to no ill effects'
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Cheesy Pony 04/09/2021 01:39
I have had the vaccine.
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TheLaugh 04/09/2021 01:39
yeah, even the FDA says it can cause myocarditis genius
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Cheesy Pony 04/09/2021 01:39
I had zero side-effects
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Conifer 04/09/2021 01:40
I don't think wearing a mask infringes on my freedoms, however I do acknowledge that in accordance with the Americans with Disability Act and guidance from the CDC I am classified as an "individual who should not be required to wear a mask" (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 04/09/2021 01:40
But hey, if you want to get yourself killed by fatal stupidity, who am I to stop you?
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TheLaugh 04/09/2021 01:40
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8051011/
First case of postmortem study in a patient vaccinated against SARS...
A previously symptomless 86-year-old man received the first dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. He died 4 weeks later from acute renal and respiratory failure. Although he did not present with any COVID-19-specific symptoms, he tested positive ...
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But hey, if you want to get yourself killed by fatal stupidity, who am I to stop you?
Conifer 04/09/2021 01:40
Yeah, who are you to stop people from killing themselves?
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TheLaugh 04/09/2021 01:40
>Everyone had conspiracy theories for months about your body filling with spike proteins due to the vaccine
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Cheesy Pony 04/09/2021 01:41
Well I'm sorry for caring about the well-being of my fellow humans.
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TheLaugh 04/09/2021 01:41
>first postmortem study of a random guy who took vaccine proves the theory
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Cheesy Pony 04/09/2021 01:41
I guess some people just aren't worth saving.
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Conifer 04/09/2021 01:41
"some people just aren't worth saving" If we wanted anyone's help we would ask for it (edited)
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https://www.adasoutheast.org/ada/publications/legal/ada-and-face-mask-policies.php
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I feel that comment from you highlights just how insecure a lot of people on the left are. Have you ever heard of a thing called white knighting? Trying to be a hero for people who aren't being attacked or victimized in anyway? it also highlights just how superior y'all think you are to the rest of us, you "enlightened intellecuals" and whatnot.You assume that anyone who disagrees with your assessment of something is uninformed or just plain stupid and can't conceive that you might not be correct. Also, what is with this 60 minute cooldown timer? (edited)
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FireTails 04/09/2021 01:58
Cause y'all be actin silly I guess lol
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Sapare 04/09/2021 02:10
I just want to pitch in that a less than year in circulation, rushed, vaccine is not "well established". Do people just not know history at all or is this willful obliviousness? They were pumping greenhouses gasses into he atmosphere for YEARS and said it was fine. The guy who worked on nuclear research ran around with it in his pocket because everyone insisted it was totally safe. Multiple cities had people get radiated because the gov tested nukes and didnt understand the way fallout travels. And most of those things were not apparent for years after the event. Realistically you wont know for a generation if this is safe. Reasonably you wait 5 years, but AT LEAST you would wait a year for it to be in circulation if you have any sense of self preservation and historic precedence. I just want to point out that Stevia is STILL banned in Europe because of "health concerns" but approved in US for years(possibly decades) now, their excuse always beeing it needs more time and research. But now this comes through in a few months, is NOT a vaccine(its by all rights a completely different type of tech with some similar core objectives) based on tech that been sidelined for decades, and you want to call it safe and established. (P.S. When you say stuff like "Almost as stupid as the people who think wearing a mask is infringing their freedoms." you come over very self careless of other people, no matter how much you claim to be caring. Its not enough for you to disagree on what liberty is, you spit people in the face for wanting liberties you don't care about and trample on the very definition of the word freedom. You can argue its not an important freedom(to you) but to say its not a freedom at all to decide if you want your face covered or not.... welcome jihadist fundamentalists) (edited)
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Burger 04/09/2021 02:16
The timer is probably because it's getting a bit close to being personal now, but I'm still glad that there is decent discussion on both sides for this and not an instant shutdown of thought. Saw a link to a fimfic comments section where the author was only allowing posts with links he approved on while saying he wasn't trying to be political But you should all know the number one place for politics and cute horses anyway if you want open discussion raritywink (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 04/09/2021 02:22
Vaccines aren't a new thing, though. We have been making and using them for decades. There are also several studies that have been done which clearly state that it is effective against covid, and it has FDA approval, meaning it at least has gone through enough tests and clinical trials to satisfy their standards, which is more than you can say about Ivermectin. Also given the context of how deadly and infectious covid is, not to mention the risks of new variants that could cut through the progress we already made with people who did get vaccinated, vaccine hesitency is a real problem and spreading misinformation that activity discourages people from getting vaccinated is both irresponsible and incredibly dangerous and could lead to more people dying. (edited)
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TheLaugh 04/09/2021 02:33
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/06/28/former-fda-head-gottlieb-joins-pfizer-board/
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Sapare 04/09/2021 13:41
(MRNA are a new thing, also each vaccine is independently new. ANY new vaccine should be scrutinized, just as any new chemical solution, even new food coloring's usually are worth scrutinizing. Covid is also notably not deadly by all definitions, and there is literally 0 evidence that vaccines will limit the chance of it evolving, it is widely known that it does not stop you from carrying or even getting covid, only reduces the symptoms, charts even show that, we have the same trend of diseased, just less extreme cases. If anything, i could accuse people for increasing the chance of mutation selfishly by taking the vaccine when they have no medical need for it, but I believe in personal autonomy. Disease that are NOT killing people are more likely to mutate because they have a breeding ground.. You know whats more likely to cause deaths? Drunk driving, high driving, smoke inhalation, obesity, terrorism and low income violence/crimes, suicides from depression caused by lock downs, now that has a high rate. We should ban all of those things.) (edited)
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Flutterpony 04/09/2021 21:28
Cooldown is 15 minutes now if I did it right. Editing posts is fine but try not to use it as a means of replying to posts after the one you're editing (edited)
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Burger 04/09/2021 21:29
Aye aye captain! trixieprimo
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Conifer 04/09/2021 22:58
I think we can all learn things from this https://youtu.be/EVF0ojfhSrE
Charisma on Command
How To Argue With Someone Who Won’t Listen
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Flutterpony 05/09/2021 02:23
who dis
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Conifer 05/09/2021 02:24
The people in the thumbnail or the guy who made the video?
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Flutterpony 05/09/2021 02:39
I'm curious about the creator of the video. The thumbnail and title make me think they're promoting emotional or gut argument styles and ignoring logic, though that could just be the clickbait-y thumbnail and not the actual message. In any case, I think a combination of solid logic and emotional influence is the way to get devoted followers to a cause. For better and worse, that's an expensive combination.
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Conifer 05/09/2021 02:41
The main point he discusses is that simply using logic isn't always the way to help change someone's opinion. He talks about cognitive dissonance and how a smoker might say they want to live a long and healthy life but keeps smoking, and explains the things you can do to help in that kind of a situation
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Flutterpony 05/09/2021 02:42
Nice.
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Flutterpony 05/09/2021 05:58
Changed timeout to 5 minutes
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TheLaugh 05/09/2021 06:49
https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/resources/15400.pdf Despite some of the news saying places like Mississipi is filling up with people using Ivervectime, the official government website says there was no hospitilizations for it, just calls to poison control
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Sapare 05/09/2021 14:44
I know the guy, he makes some interesting videos. He does videos on persuasion and debating techniques, and generally public talking skills. He actually predicted Trump to win the election months before the 2016 election simply based on his debating performance, and then later also predicted Trump to lose(though did say it was somewhat of a tossup, which considering how it went, seems accurate) I dont actively follow him but the guy seems to know his stuff really well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LibRNYJmZ-I&t=6s (edited)
Charisma on Command
Why Trump Will SMASH Hillary
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Cheesy Pony 06/09/2021 11:39
Not really politics (or maybe is, I haven't watched all of it yet) but seems quite interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eESBgTuAvcI
Timothy James
Japanese Reacts to The DON'Ts Of Visiting the USA
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Kind of gives the view of america from a japanese perspective, and also mentions some interesting things to know about visting Japan.
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TheLaugh 06/09/2021 11:41
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome @Cheesy Pony
Paris syndrome
Paris syndrome (French: syndrome de Paris, Japanese: パリ症候群, Pari shōkōgun) is a sense of disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting or going on vacation to Paris, who feel that Paris was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock. The syndrome is characterized by a number of psy...
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Cheesy Pony 06/09/2021 11:42
I've never been to paris, but I can kind of get that.
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A lot of people like to think of paris as this sort of mythical place.
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imo Rome is a more interesting city to visit, because of all the ancient architecture. (just watch out for hawkers)
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Not really politics (or maybe is, I haven't watched all of it yet) but seems quite interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eESBgTuAvcI
Cheesy Pony 06/09/2021 11:44
also, lol his reaction to tipping.
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I'll say, that I find really strange. People have said it's because waiters/waitresses aren't paid very well in the US, which I think makes sense.
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Around here 10% is considered typical, but it's not required. Only if you think the service was particularly good can you decide to tip.
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Waiters and waitresses here are paid enough by the restaurant that tipping isn't as neccessary for them.
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Sorry, I forgot the slow mode.
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Flutterpony 06/09/2021 14:25
Tipping has become the service industry's excuse to underpay in the US. I keep mine around 20% always unless I'm extra appreciative to a server. I'd go out of my way and pay more over all for a restaurant that gives a fair wage and outright forbids tipping. I've never given an extra huge tip, but if I did I'd attempt to make it a tip plus a non-tip "gift" since even tips don't all go to the server necessarily. (edited)
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Conifer 06/09/2021 17:23
The service industry doesn't use excuses to pay less. At Panera they worked us to the bone, paid exact minimum wage, and didn't allow us to accept tips
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Flutterpony 06/09/2021 17:36
Did people pay tips there? I'd like to know as a customer when that's the case.
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Cheesy Pony 06/09/2021 17:40
Some might argue that minimum wage in the US isn't a livable wage, especially citing how it hasn't changed for decades whilst the value of the dollar has dropped with inflation. What you can do with $10 isn't exactly the same as what people could 20 years ago, even if you ignore the rising property prices. Also heard some... Interesting stories myself of the service industry over the years, like empoyers who would take a portion of the tips or count all tips as profit to the restaurant without the waiting staff getting any, nor telling the customer that tips don't go to the waiting staff.
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Conifer 06/09/2021 17:51
Yeah, a few customers tried to tip. By policy that went to the company, in practice we all just pocketed it anyway
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Cheesy Pony 06/09/2021 21:21
Not the first thing I'd expect when visiting reddit
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Sapare 07/09/2021 10:41
Wow, only 10%? After being threatened to have their jobs removed, their freedoms taken away, their children's stolen, getting the stick, and being ostracized by fascists? NVM, I mean, wow, a whole 10% after all of those things. Pretty sure that is more than number of germans who were not cool with lynching jews after a terror regime showed its true colors. (Then there is the other side, that popularity for covid mandates had consistently been sub 50% but I guess pushing something through on minority popularity is democratic and good.) (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 07/09/2021 14:28
This is what I mean when I say this channel is toxic.
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Conifer 07/09/2021 16:20
Ah yes it is toxic to hold strong opinions. Or was there a better definition you had in mind?
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@Cheesy Pony @TheLaugh You two might find this video quite interesting. https://youtu.be/OO_DpZoc5-w
Timcast
Fake News, Rachel Maddow Push Fake Story About "Horse Dewormer" ODs...
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Cheesy Pony 07/09/2021 17:17
[rant emottied] (edited)
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I'm not in the mood, Conifer. I'm really not.
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Conifer 07/09/2021 17:22
Sollace, I think you are generalizing there with that second one. I know I'm not vaccinated, and I know that I didn't complain about social distancing, in fact, I welcomed it. I stay indoors anyways. I only complained about the masks before I had my bandanna because the normal ones trigger my PTSD and I wash my hands all the fucking time. I don't whine, I don't bitch, and I don't moan about any of those things. And I sure as hell don't whine or bitch or moan about the vaccine. I just don't take it because I don't have to. he only people in my life who are at risk already are vaccinated, I don't care if I get sick, and I don't care if I die. Hell it would be a blessing at this point. I am on disability and I practically never leave the house anyway though, so nothing much there. And if you have issues with this thread, I don't believe anyone is forcing you to be here, just like no one is forcing me to get that jab. (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 07/09/2021 17:23
I know, I know. I'm projecting my frustrations onto Sapare. Sorry, just. I need to get this out otherwise I am going to go insane. It's the culmination of watching people say and do stupid things for over two years. (edited)
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Conifer 07/09/2021 17:33
Also, we definitely aren't the richest shithole in the world. Plenty of countries have more valuable economies. Hell, go to any major american city and you'll see we can't afford to take care of our potholes let alone our homeless. We have plenty of issues that people who don't live here usually aren't aware of. We have a big image abroad, but oftentimes people come to this country and are surprised that we have worse infrastructure than where they came from. On a personal note I really get pissed off when people who don't live in America tell me what it's like over here. I get even more pissed when people try and say shit about the pacific northwest (Portland, Seattle, etc) or issues practically unique to us such as Antifa. I hate it when people who know nothing about me, my people, or my experiences act like they know those things. Just remember, for all the rage you have towards people who aren't like you and whose actions you can't comprehend there are probably a few of them who feel the same way about you
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Cheesy Pony 07/09/2021 17:44
I will try to keep that in mind, thanks Conifer. It was never all americans that I wanted to hit with that. I know they're not all the same, and that there are plenty of idiots doing the same in other countries. It's more just the anti-vaxxers, the anti-maskers, and the trumpets that come off as... Just how stupid can a person physically get? Really, how?
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I'm going to remove my venting to avoid it causing any other conflict. Sorry, @Sapare You were my bunching bag today.
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Conifer 07/09/2021 17:50
I'm not an anti-vaxxer per se, I simply have very personal spiritual and ethical dilemmas with my life being saved by others. I'm not an anti-masker, I just want the country to not be discriminating against people like me who have disabilities and have difficulties keeping their faces covered. And as far as being a trumper goes, he was leagues better than what we got instead. And remember, by the standards the media used all of last summer, the protests on january 6 were mostly peaceful. It was a very small minority of people who were at the rally that went to storm the capital. And he did in the speech say "peacefully and patriotically make our voices heard". Most of the "never-trumpers" only look at what the media says about him and even if they look at what he actually said, with full context, they usually only view him through the lens that the media already presented him in, instead of thinking independently about what he actually said or did. I look at all the people in my life who I've had to leave, including my mother, because they refuse to look at things critically or be an independent person and I wonder.... Just how stupid can a person physically get. Really, how? (edited)
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Conifer 07/09/2021 18:04
I'm not saying it was peaceful. I'm saying that by the standards the media used to evaluate the riots that plagued my city from June into December that it would be mostly peaceful. I wasn't making a statement about the "insurrection" I was making a statement about media hypocrisy. Me and a lot of people on the right were heartbroken that day. We worked so long and so hard to be heard and we all get remembered by the actions of a bunch of jack offs and LARPers that are the same type of people we'd been decrying all year. And even though hundreds broke in, there were thousands at that rally who did nothing of the sort (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 07/09/2021 18:05
Well you've restored a little of my hope in humanity.
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Conifer 07/09/2021 18:18
I'm glad
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@Cheesy Pony @TheLaugh You two might find this video quite interesting. https://youtu.be/OO_DpZoc5-w
Flutterpony 07/09/2021 18:36
Requesting mediabiasfactcheck.com Factual Reporting rating of Tim Pool Media. After searching, you can find this by clicking More
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Wow, only 10%? After being threatened to have their jobs removed, their freedoms taken away, their children's stolen, getting the stick, and being ostracized by fascists? NVM, I mean, wow, a whole 10% after all of those things. Pretty sure that is more than number of germans who were not cool with lynching jews after a terror regime showed its true colors. (Then there is the other side, that popularity for covid mandates had consistently been sub 50% but I guess pushing something through on minority popularity is democratic and good.) (edited)
Flutterpony 07/09/2021 18:37
Sources requested and bias checking requested for your sources.
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I'll probably be busy a while btw.
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Conifer 07/09/2021 18:38
Tim Pool on youtube doesn't usually do his own reporting. He covers articles in the media and tries to deconstruct the way the articles are framed as someone who has worked as a journalist for Vice News and Fusion. In each video he shows the article he is reviewing and has.... I think it's media shield showing the bias rating over the site in the taskbar at the top of the window in video Edit: sorry, he uses ground news for bias checking (edited)
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Flutterpony 07/09/2021 18:42
He runs Timcast.
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Or maybe I'm mistaken. I can do the check for you this time if need be
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Conifer 07/09/2021 18:44
Timcast is a podcast, not a news source. All I was attempting to do with posting that video was show that Rolling stone made a correction to their article and to share his opinions and insights on the situation (edited)
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Flutterpony 07/09/2021 18:46
No worries about the cool down btw. I'm patient I mean. He still has a rating for the timcast podcast as far as it's associated with Tim Pool Media. If I'm wrong to assume they're linked, then showing Tim's sources and their bias is alright (edited)
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His opinion and insight has a rating unless I'm mistaken
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Conifer 07/09/2021 18:49
Part of what I love about tim is that the far left says he's right wing and the far right says he's left wing
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Flutterpony 07/09/2021 18:51
The rating site I referred you to is reliable as far as I'm aware, though of course every source has a bias. I still need the rating from you unless you'd rather remove the link you posted. No hurry
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@Sapare The link and any commentary can stay in this channel regardless of rating, but in order to aid constructive argument, the ratings are now required (edited)
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Conifer 07/09/2021 18:54
Wouldn't it simply be more effective for you to use that site and post what they say about his rating if you dispute what he says or thinks?
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Flutterpony 07/09/2021 18:55
I already have for myself. I intend to have participants in this channel be responsible for their own content posting however. I'm not always around and honestly don't care to be in this channel
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It will be interesting to see if this strategy works at all. I'm trying it out
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Conifer 07/09/2021 18:59
I do believe what you said in policy was that they need to be available at request, not required at all times. Also on that site I found no results for Tim Pool or for Timcast. Also this timer is making it really irritating trying to respond to you. I'm in a call with my bf and hate having to give so much attention to that little timer to try and post things that aren't political
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Flutterpony 07/09/2021 19:00
@Conifer @Sapare These bias fact check challenges can be made by any participant to any other participant. They're not required at all times. I'm issuing the challenge in this case myself
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You can come back when you're not busy of course. No hurry. I'll post the fact check for Tim Pool Media when I'm home later if you have trouble finding it by that name
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I had to search "Tim Pool Media" verbatim
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Part of what I love about tim is that the far left says he's right wing and the far right says he's left wing
Cheesy Pony 07/09/2021 19:05
Wouldn't that make him centrist? think
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Conifer 07/09/2021 19:05
The way I see it Tim is a centrist in name alone. He see himself as being a left leaning libertarian, I see him as a right leaning one.
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Flutterpony 07/09/2021 19:06
I like some of what Tim says fwiw. I also think he dramatizes things unnecessarily sometimes and has a slight right bias. I consider myself to have a center right bias (edited)
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The way I see it Tim is a centrist in name alone. He see himself as being a left leaning libertarian, I see him as a right leaning one.
Flutterpony 07/09/2021 19:07
You're almost there. Click/tap "Read More" the fact check rating is past that button (edited)
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Oh nope yours show a Times of India. Hold on (edited)
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Conifer 07/09/2021 19:10
I personally am an Ancap with some confusing socialist leanings most people, including myself, don't really understand. I also, take a common sense view on things that most ancaps are wacky about. For example, monopolies violate the NAP
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Flutterpony 07/09/2021 19:12
The navigation is unintuitive on mobile. Search through the top menu button instead like this.
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Conifer 07/09/2021 19:16
Same results. And I'm not on mobile.
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Conifer 07/09/2021 20:36
Tongue in cheek is funny
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Flutterpony 07/09/2021 20:50
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Conifer 07/09/2021 20:51
Very. snrk
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Flutterpony 07/09/2021 20:52
Yeah I know nothing about guns beyond what I fired as a Boy Scout.
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Conifer 07/09/2021 20:57
I only know a little, but I know that clip can't hold 1,000 rounds. And that scope though.... I totally need one of those in Fallout 4, XD
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Flutterpony 07/09/2021 21:00
I follow you now. Yeah I was wondering how they fit LIDAR or a heat scope there
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Cheesy Pony 07/09/2021 22:09
This was just recently linked to me. I don't really have the bias rating of the website, though doesn't look like there's very much to the article other than quoting a few statements. https://balleralert.com/profiles/blogs/texas-governor-bans-24-hour-and-drive-thru-voting/
former United States Attorney General, said. “What makes this bill and similar ones Republicans are pushing across the country even more un-American is that Republicans are using the ‘Big Lie’ about the 2020 election as a pretext to support them. The reality is that these bills have nothing to do with integrity or security but rather are discriminatory measures making it harder for all people to vote. These bills will have disproportionate impact on communities of color.”
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Conifer 07/09/2021 22:11
Well, for more context around the situation that you might not have, 24 hour and drive thru voting were something that were approved by texas so that people could vote during the pandemic without causing a surge in coronavirus cases. You can't have the ballot box be a super spreader event
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Cheesy Pony 07/09/2021 22:13
So why remove it now whilst the pandemic is still going?
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The article also says they're cutting mail-in ballots, though I guess your explanation would apply to that as well.
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Conifer 07/09/2021 22:18
Because they don't have another major election for another year at the midterms (if they are anything like oregon) and with how things have been regarding laws lately (and things like the moratorium) I don't think they want to wait until last minute and receive a bunch of criticism for trying to "suppress voters" right before the next election. And yeah, most places in the US don't do mail in ballots, and as someone who lives in a state that always does I can tell you they are not done very well at all.
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Cheesy Pony 07/09/2021 22:22
It seems suspicious though. They allowed voting by mail for covid, then more people voted (by the numbers), then a lot of Republicans lost. Then they start claiming the voting was rigged (but only in the states they lost), do recounts (which turns up nothing), then try to fight it in court (which throws their case out), etc, etc, etc, and now they want to remove voting by mail, including in states that already had it before the 2020 elections (i.e. Florida). The whole thing kind of reeks of desperation. (edited)
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Sapare 07/09/2021 22:24
how do i get pinged 4 times without even being around. I don't have to provide a source for commonly acessable info, its factual that in certain regions you can not work certain jobs without the covid vacine, anything from hospital to federal employment. But I humor you: https://news.yahoo.com/judge-strips-chicago-mother-parental-142800477.html https://www.canada.ca/en/treasury-board-secretariat/news/2021/08/government-of-canada-to-require-vaccination-of-federal-workforce-and-federally-regulated-transportation-sector.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/03/business/new-york-city-vaccine-requirements/index.html https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/vaccinations-no-more-carrot-bring-out-the-stick/ https://www.facebook.com/RonaReport/videos/1195433534294080/ https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2021/07/27/don-lemon-unvaccinated-people-should-be-shunned-from-society-n2593158 I wont do you the work of "bias checking" factual information, these are all quotes and statments by authority figures(bar the last one but "ostracized" is a relative term, though the one before was a quote I can't find, i'll add it.). As for the 50% vacine passport number, its a shifting metric, today you can get it above 50 for sure, but if you looked it up a year ago, or even half a year ago, it was very often not. And it falls to the same argument my main post made, of course the numbers will look good if the alternative is having your life destroyed, same reason the war in middle east had a 90+% approval rate when it first started... (edited)
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Conifer 07/09/2021 22:29
There are plenty of other things that factored into voter turnout. For example, lots of americans usually either don't care about politics. At all. So many are apolitical. Shipping ballots to their door makes them more likely to cast an uninformed vote than making them go to the ballot box. Secondly, with the lockdown we had many people who weren't working and were exposed to levels of politics on the internet that they hadn't before and with the sudden oversaturation of politics in their daily life many people likely felt more compelled to vote even if they had no real political knowledge and just listened to the media and the screechers. Lastly, the whole media campaign of "Orange Man Bad" and so many democratic mayors of major cities decrying him publicly a lot of the population hubs got biased against the right because they believed all the rioting and whatnot would stop if Trump would just "stop being a bigot". And a lot of people in this country just aren't educated on the basics of political discourse or critical thinking, so it's probably not a great idea to encourage them all to vote when they have no idea what they are actually doing. For that last bit I am citing my own personal experiences at least with the people in my state and my population hub of a city (edited)
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Sapare 07/09/2021 22:35
(Will people still care if the election was legit or not if Biden's popularity polls drop below Trump's, despite all of the media work and establishment prop up? At this point I have to assume he is the least popular president in recent history. He is currently only outdone by Trump in the last 50 years, and here is source for Fluter: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/ ) (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 07/09/2021 22:39
At this point I have to assume he is the least popular president in recent history.
He (Trump) or he (Biden)?
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Conifer 07/09/2021 22:47
I believe based off of context and sentence structure it is he Biden
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Sapare 07/09/2021 23:40
yea, his numbers are higher still but if you account for inherent bias and self preservation instincts, plus the well known statistics that the only people who feel safe to speak their mind are left wing (often the extremists), while republicans are overwhelmingly unwilling to voice their thoughts, it leads me to believe you prob need to shift approval by 20%(10 for biden down, trump up), would also explain why Trump went up in votes despite less than 50% approval. (edited)
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Crys 08/09/2021 00:22
I don't think he is on there.
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Flutterpony 08/09/2021 03:44
The desktop site also has 2 search boxes. You'll need to use the top box. I'll send some screenshots eventually
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how do i get pinged 4 times without even being around. I don't have to provide a source for commonly acessable info, its factual that in certain regions you can not work certain jobs without the covid vacine, anything from hospital to federal employment. But I humor you: https://news.yahoo.com/judge-strips-chicago-mother-parental-142800477.html https://www.canada.ca/en/treasury-board-secretariat/news/2021/08/government-of-canada-to-require-vaccination-of-federal-workforce-and-federally-regulated-transportation-sector.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/03/business/new-york-city-vaccine-requirements/index.html https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/vaccinations-no-more-carrot-bring-out-the-stick/ https://www.facebook.com/RonaReport/videos/1195433534294080/ https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2021/07/27/don-lemon-unvaccinated-people-should-be-shunned-from-society-n2593158 I wont do you the work of "bias checking" factual information, these are all quotes and statments by authority figures(bar the last one but "ostracized" is a relative term, though the one before was a quote I can't find, i'll add it.). As for the 50% vacine passport number, its a shifting metric, today you can get it above 50 for sure, but if you looked it up a year ago, or even half a year ago, it was very often not. And it falls to the same argument my main post made, of course the numbers will look good if the alternative is having your life destroyed, same reason the war in middle east had a 90+% approval rate when it first started... (edited)
Flutterpony 08/09/2021 03:49
The new policy requires requested fact checks. Not all media sites are equally reliable. I'll leave you to check them or remove your challenged post. There was certainly a lot to sift through in your claims, and the challenge is meant to encourage awareness if not responsible posting. (edited)
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Slow mode will increase for a while, since I don't care to moderate heavily at the moment and fact checks are still pending
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@Sapare's decision whether or not to fact check himself in particular weighs heavily on whether I again loosen slow mode from the current 6 hours
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The desktop site also has 2 search boxes. You'll need to use the top box. I'll send some screenshots eventually
Conifer 08/09/2021 04:06
I tried both search boxes and got the same thing each time. Also, all this fact checking and source bias checking bs is gay. And that is my opinion, I have no sources to cite. Six hour slow mode when we've talked less today then we have in weeks? Gayer. If you don't like being in here, why did you go out of your way to sart actively moderating and start requesting sources from things that no one else seemed to want sources on? This whole thing feels super anal retentive, and it feels like a kick in the nuts because this is the only place I am fully allowed to express my politics about all things, including stuff like MAPs and Zoophilia stuff. It feels like you are intentionally going out of your way to make people not want to talk here. If you don't want us expressing our perspectives and or opinions, just say so instead of making it be a slow decay (edited)
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Flutterpony 08/09/2021 04:07
You're not the worst offender for not fact checking here, but it is what it is. (edited)
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When the magic combination of me feeling like being active here and having the time happens, I'll reduce slowdown. Otherwise the new policy is in effect and slowdown will go back to 5 minutes when fact checks are performed. I've been able to fact check Tim Pool Media in both my phone and desktop browsers using the search box at the top of the recommended checking site. I don't blame anyone for not figuring out how to do the same, but I don't have the will right now to make a tutorial. Meanwhile, the main purpose of this server is uninhibited so enjoy if you want to (edited)
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MAP and zoo is relevant to #deleted-channel btw, and there's no slowdown there. Questions about what's allowed where are welcome in the #policy-feedback channel.
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I think a slow decay isn't ideal, but it's fine until a better solution for responsible posting presents itself as long as fact checking proves problematic. This is only the first week of the new/trial policy. I'd rather keep a place that's comfortable for political discussion than one that's anal, yes, but comfort is both highly relative and subjective, so adjustment may take a while
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Sapare 08/09/2021 07:53
Not sure what other source you want, I be honest and "Fact checking" these days is just "I will make debate too painful for you to engage in". You want this? https://www.cato.org/survey-reports/poll-62-americans-say-they-have-political-views-theyre-afraid-share# Because I already gave 5 links before. Or are we at the point where providing link to the source of the information is not good enough, because I really have to ask what sense that makes, I am not going to post someones quote and then go to a website that isn't that person's quote to tell me if that person said the quote or not. How is a "fact check" website any more inherently trust worthy than any other. I wouldn't argue a media bias check is a "fact check" either, like Newsguards, they are a "bias check" which is pretty much just a way to categorize news sources into "likes/don't likes" and inherent designed to prevent across divide discussions, how is that a good thing? If you have evidence to the contrary to the topic, argue the evidence, not the person who said it, otherwise you really just living in reality formed by popular opinion. (edited)
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TheLaugh 08/09/2021 08:10
not to mention 'fact checkers' have been called out for straight out lying at this point, like with what happened with them trying to say Biden didn't check his watch multiple times during the service ceremony
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FireTails 08/09/2021 08:36
Figured a lot of you guys would find this interesting/funny/ironic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCMa3nmdoRs
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 08/09/2021 12:22
Joe Rogan used to be someone I respected and enjoyed listening too. Then he started disrespecting his audience by spreading Covid misinformation.
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Crys 08/09/2021 12:47
grabbed some common ones Edit: and by some I mean 1 because it did not let me upload 4 as a batch and 6 hour slow is rough. (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 08/09/2021 13:03
Colbert is back from his break. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SXB3eJS5EY Also I would be legit curious what that website says about The Late Show @Crys It's a comedy show, but I always considered satire to be the most faithful since they're under no obligation to tow any lines. Steven largely seems to be just recapping/reacting to what's already going on rather than giving a lot of opinions. Edit: 6 hours is brutal, especially since discord doesn't stop me from posting. (edited)
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Flutterpony 08/09/2021 13:35
There are absolutely dishonest fact checkers. Beware. So I've looked for Tim Pool Media in exactly the same ways I did just yesterday, but it seems the search results have changed/disappeared. It's too bad since mediabiasfactcheck.com is one of the few that gives an easy fact check rating. His rating, for what it's worth, was Mixed due to failing two fact checks. Maybe the rating was taken down for reevaluation.. A Google and Bing search instead yielded a few things to consider. This site has criticized Tim heavily, but they're no longer being updated, and their own bias rating is unavailable, so I personally don't put much stock in them. https://grftr.news/?s=tim+pool Here's something more credible and interesting. https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/analysis-twitters-crowdsourced-fact-checking-experiment-reveals-problems/ Just an example of purported misinformation, but no proper evaluation. It sounds like Tim earns the mixed fact-check score that I saw yesterday, but I'm content to say we just don't know his credibility since it appears he's a small-time journalist. As such, he may or may not be a reliable source of opinion. I think anybody challenged for posting his stuff is fine to openly and explicitly acknowledge this and move on unless there's a reliable fact checker that covers him. (edited)
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Not sure what other source you want, I be honest and "Fact checking" these days is just "I will make debate too painful for you to engage in". You want this? https://www.cato.org/survey-reports/poll-62-americans-say-they-have-political-views-theyre-afraid-share# Because I already gave 5 links before. Or are we at the point where providing link to the source of the information is not good enough, because I really have to ask what sense that makes, I am not going to post someones quote and then go to a website that isn't that person's quote to tell me if that person said the quote or not. How is a "fact check" website any more inherently trust worthy than any other. I wouldn't argue a media bias check is a "fact check" either, like Newsguards, they are a "bias check" which is pretty much just a way to categorize news sources into "likes/don't likes" and inherent designed to prevent across divide discussions, how is that a good thing? If you have evidence to the contrary to the topic, argue the evidence, not the person who said it, otherwise you really just living in reality formed by popular opinion. (edited)
Flutterpony 08/09/2021 14:11
A survey site is a source, but not a reliability or fact check. Here's what mediabiasfactcheck.com shows for the sites you posted in general. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/yahoo-news/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cato-institute/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/left/cnn-bias/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/macleans-magazine/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/facebook-news/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/townhall/ Even government sites like Canada's can be somewhat unreliable. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/canada-media-profile/ I see one potential problem here. Linking sources and their fact check ratings is well and good, but it could become easy to spam these things without acknowledging that x piece of information has y reliability. We'll have to deal with that later if becomes an issue. The underlying implication of your "Wow, only 10%?" is what ought to be challenged, I think, and I haven't cared enough about these conversations to dig into that. If I were somebody who thought your comment were toxic like @Cheesy Pony I might ask something like "Can you substantiate the prevalence of threats made to workers?" and maybe "Why do you think any of what you mentioned should mean that the statistic is different?" Since I challenged your claim, you've backed the mentioned threat with sources, and I've subsequently fact checked them, but you'll need to provide your own fact checks in the future. Feel free to ping me for help with this if you're challenged again if you'd like. On the other hand, you'd be welcome to challenge @Cheesy Pony's screenshot if you'd rather not risk being challenged yourself while still remaining incredulous at it.
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I'd like everyone to note, again, that the fact check rating is more important than the bias rating, and you can only see as much by visiting the links I posted above or by searching then clicking Read More about a matched search result. CNN's score is particularly unfavorable, and it's not the only relatively poor rating. (edited)
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Flutterpony 08/09/2021 14:26
As such, the last task remaining @Sapare is to simply list each source in this channel with it's fact check rating. You could copy-paste the factual reporting rating and/or the credibility rating like so: "X claim is supported by the following:" [link source]
CNN: CNN Bias Rating: LEFT Factual Reporting: MIXED MBFC Credibility Rating: MEDIUM CREDIBILITY
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I'll lift the slow mode now back to 5 minutes. (edited)
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Funny story: My wife and father were arguing heatedly about politics as they do, and I showed them MBFC.com's rating of CNN and Fox respectively, and both of them expressed doubt outright disagreed that the fact-check was reliable, in response to the source I checked for them. (edited)
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Crys 08/09/2021 14:47
The rest of what I was trying to post earlier. Also @Flutterpony What is the rating of grftr news?
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Flutterpony 08/09/2021 14:47
I appreciate Crys challenging this.
I personally don't put much stock in them. https://grftr.news/?s=tim+pool
To be clear, I don't think this site is reliable at all. It reads to me personally as very biased, and there's no fact-check info about it that I can easily find. I mostly find it amusing.
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For future reference, this is an example of a valid response to a challenge. ☝️
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Someone could challenge my challenge still, if they cared to, and I'd cite specific language or patterns I see on the site. Further challenge would require me to provide unbiased information on pattern recognition and bias, etc.
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Cheesy Pony 08/09/2021 15:59
It's literally impossible to find any sources that are perfectly unbiased, though it does help to put in context the things they say.
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Sapare 08/09/2021 16:33
I like how you already posted all the "relevant" info you want, you just want me to go through the motions of reposting it to my message, why? What is this beyond some weird public shaming/obedience test? I honestly don't care enough, you can delete my post. But shouldnt cheesy have to post a colbert fact check bias check webside post? I am going to reply that every single time someone makes a statement or post a link from now on. Really, shouldn't we have to post a fact check/bias check for every fact check we post? (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 08/09/2021 17:05
Notice that I did not make any assertions about the content of Colber's video, and in fact I am requesting a bias check on his show. I did in fact check if any of the sites Flutter is using has anything on Stephen Colbert or his show but was not able to find anything.
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Conifer 08/09/2021 17:08
Interesting semantics, seeing as how Joe Rogan was prescribed the human form of Ivermectin by his doctor https://youtu.be/rou1lCUDNBM (edited)
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Joe Rogan used to be someone I respected and enjoyed listening too. Then he started disrespecting his audience by spreading Covid misinformation.
Conifer 08/09/2021 17:25
If I may, what covid misinformation was Joe Rogan spreading at some point? I don't watch him and am not too familiar with his statements on covid, but I know recently he talked about how part of what his doctor prescribed him to deal with his covid was ivermectin, and saying what was prescribed to him and what he ended up taking isn't misinformation. He also took other treatments at his doctor's recommendations. Or was there something else you were referring to? (edited)
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Cheesy Pony 08/09/2021 17:58
I'd also like to know what doctor did his prescriptions, because there seems to be a lot of people posing as doctors it could be valuable to know what sort of credentials this guy has.
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Conifer 08/09/2021 18:11
Well I'm fairly certain that would be classified as private medical information by HIPPA. However seeing as how a prescription was given that was approved by a pharmacy I can only assume he has a certified, legally practicing doctor who went through medical school
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I like how you already posted all the "relevant" info you want, you just want me to go through the motions of reposting it to my message, why? What is this beyond some weird public shaming/obedience test? I honestly don't care enough, you can delete my post. But shouldnt cheesy have to post a colbert fact check bias check webside post? I am going to reply that every single time someone makes a statement or post a link from now on. Really, shouldn't we have to post a fact check/bias check for every fact check we post? (edited)
Flutterpony 08/09/2021 21:56
It does come across as an obedience test, especially since you've seemed to take offense at each prompt. It is a little shame-y when a source you rely on is very likely unreliable, but my thought is that it's better than shutting down the channel to avoid irresponsible dissemination of harmful misinformation. It's also more popular still than allowing political discussion in general channels. I guess we're on 6-hour slowdown again.
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Sapare 08/09/2021 22:00
" It is a little shame-y when a source you rely on is very likely unreliable" Ah yes, despite the fact that your own "fact checks" quoted most of those sources as reliable and heavily left leaning. The only unreliable "source" was CNN, and once again, its a video of a person saying something ON CNN in an interview, how the fuck do you fact check that and find it unreliable? This is so tedious. Also: I am just going to point out that instead of actually arguing the core point, which was that polls showing people's views can be unreliable if the people feel incentive to lie on said polls for their own safety, has not once been addressed, instead its been 3 days of going in circles about weather or not the threats have happened. With such determination that even a link to an official government website making an official statement is not enough to be self sufficient. You literally want me to ignore my own federal's government statement and trust some random "fact checker" instead. Lastly, you not even fact checking, that's a fucking misnomer, you are virtue checking of the webside. Media bias doesn't fucking fact check, it checks "reliability" and "bias" for a whole website. By your own logic Fox news could print "the sky is blue" and I could not say the sky is blue and use fox news to back the assertion because them posting factually obvious info is not ok unless a 3rd party says so. Not that I have seen a single "fact check" besides the ones to the sources I posted, or any sources for that matter besides mine. (Had way more, but too long, short is, People who think they need someone else to tell them what info they are allowed to access because they have 0 sense of evaluation or critical thinking are deranging themselves.) (edited)
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" It is a little shame-y when a source you rely on is very likely unreliable" Ah yes, despite the fact that your own "fact checks" quoted most of those sources as reliable and heavily left leaning. The only unreliable "source" was CNN, and once again, its a video of a person saying something ON CNN in an interview, how the fuck do you fact check that and find it unreliable? This is so tedious. Also: I am just going to point out that instead of actually arguing the core point, which was that polls showing people's views can be unreliable if the people feel incentive to lie on said polls for their own safety, has not once been addressed, instead its been 3 days of going in circles about weather or not the threats have happened. With such determination that even a link to an official government website making an official statement is not enough to be self sufficient. You literally want me to ignore my own federal's government statement and trust some random "fact checker" instead. Lastly, you not even fact checking, that's a fucking misnomer, you are virtue checking of the webside. Media bias doesn't fucking fact check, it checks "reliability" and "bias" for a whole website. By your own logic Fox news could print "the sky is blue" and I could not say the sky is blue and use fox news to back the assertion because them posting factually obvious info is not ok unless a 3rd party says so. Not that I have seen a single "fact check" besides the ones to the sources I posted, or any sources for that matter besides mine. (Had way more, but too long, short is, People who think they need someone else to tell them what info they are allowed to access because they have 0 sense of evaluation or critical thinking are deranging themselves.) (edited)
Flutterpony 08/09/2021 22:02
I gave you an example. It may be tedious yes. I think it could be a deterrent for failing to present opinions tactfully. Seems like a win to me. Feel free to edit your last message with the request. https://discordapp.com/channels/573858098817794049/573861099120754698/885138964867059722
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Conifer 08/09/2021 22:18
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" It is a little shame-y when a source you rely on is very likely unreliable" Ah yes, despite the fact that your own "fact checks" quoted most of those sources as reliable and heavily left leaning. The only unreliable "source" was CNN, and once again, its a video of a person saying something ON CNN in an interview, how the fuck do you fact check that and find it unreliable? This is so tedious. Also: I am just going to point out that instead of actually arguing the core point, which was that polls showing people's views can be unreliable if the people feel incentive to lie on said polls for their own safety, has not once been addressed, instead its been 3 days of going in circles about weather or not the threats have happened. With such determination that even a link to an official government website making an official statement is not enough to be self sufficient. You literally want me to ignore my own federal's government statement and trust some random "fact checker" instead. Lastly, you not even fact checking, that's a fucking misnomer, you are virtue checking of the webside. Media bias doesn't fucking fact check, it checks "reliability" and "bias" for a whole website. By your own logic Fox news could print "the sky is blue" and I could not say the sky is blue and use fox news to back the assertion because them posting factually obvious info is not ok unless a 3rd party says so. Not that I have seen a single "fact check" besides the ones to the sources I posted, or any sources for that matter besides mine. (Had way more, but too long, short is, People who think they need someone else to tell them what info they are allowed to access because they have 0 sense of evaluation or critical thinking are deranging themselves.) (edited)
Flutterpony 08/09/2021 22:40
I'm not sure I've understood your question about how you should check a video of a person saying something on CNN. Feel free to ask for clarification by PM if you need. If you refuse to follow the instructions, the policy is currently censorship. There hasn't been a time limit set for that to happen yet, but it may need to happen soon in order to avoid punishing the entire channel too long for one person's non-compliance. You'll be allowed to assert any claim or opinion, right or wrong, with due respect to the server rules, if you state the reliability of each of your sources according to a decently reliable fact check (which I've already linked for you but feel free to find others if you like). Bias-check doesn't matter so much, but is still helpful especially for dubious or mixed ratings. You are welcome to explain alongside the fact check rating why you believe an otherwise unreliable source should be counted as reliable, BUT additional challenges can still be made.
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Crys 09/09/2021 00:03
Can I get a fact check on each of the following statements: (1)records of at least 7 people who were shot and died(who?), (2)infamous photo of a noose set up outside the capitol, (3)Emergency buttons that were disabled prior to the riot, (4)reconiscense tours done by republican officials, (5)oh and is there proof that "cable tie" guy was planing to or attempted to take hostages or did you just not like the look of him? That is a lot of statements of fact but I do not know how you got them.
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Cheesy Pony 09/09/2021 01:19
1. The reporting I heard before said 7, though I see here it says it was 5. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/08/capitol-attack-police-officer-five-deaths Brian Sicknick, 42 - struck in the head with a fire extinguisher Ashli Babbitt, 35 - among a group of people who could be seen attempting to break down the doors of the US Senate chamber as members sheltered. shot by a Capitol police officer Benjamin Phillips, 50 - he had a stroke and died Kevin Greeson, 55 - posted racist diatribes online and associated with the Proud Boys - died of a heartattack Rosanne Boyland, 34 - unspecified "medical emergency" 2. https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2021/01/GettyImages-1230454617.jpg 3. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pressley-panic-buttons/ https://nypost.com/2021/01/14/ayanna-pressleys-panic-buttons-torn-out-before-capitol-riot/ 4. https://truthout.org/articles/gop-reps-accused-of-giving-reconnaissance-tours-of-capitol-before-mob-attack/ 5. I said he was ready to, given the cable ties he had were both large in number, and the kind that would by typically used to bind a person's hands. Also tried to avoid using anything from CNBC there. They had articles but I recognise that they are likely very left leaning.
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Cheesy Pony 09/09/2021 09:48
  • Stephen shaves his moustache
  • New "Mu" variant discovered could be more dangerous than Delta
  • CEO of Delta Airlines refuses to refer to the Delta variant by name
  • Stephen questions the decision to take down the statue of Robert E. Lee's horse
  • Italy warns Britain that American could be feeding them fake pasta (Impasta) Context is absolutely for the weak. :thisisfine: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Rdszz-dxA
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Cheesy Pony 09/09/2021 16:04
If it makes anyone feel better I'll retract my statement from the channel, even though it was never intended to be factual. I made it initially without consulting sources and only my best memory (which isn't perfect). Also to address Sapare's comment about the amendment: I saw the amendment, but assumed that meant the offending line had already been removed from the article and that I didn't have to worry about it. Evidently the article hadn't been amended correctly in the way they implied, which makes it unreliable.
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If it makes anyone feel better I'll retract my statement from the channel, even though it was never intended to be factual. I made it initially without consulting sources and only my best memory (which isn't perfect). Also to address Sapare's comment about the amendment: I saw the amendment, but assumed that meant the offending line had already been removed from the article and that I didn't have to worry about it. Evidently the article hadn't been amended correctly in the way they implied, which makes it unreliable.
Crys 09/09/2021 21:55
I'd rather it stayed up for posterity. You made a statement form half remembered news. We looked back at the sources. Now we know more. Any drama aside I think this was the best case for this kind of fact check "preventing the spread of misinformation" we could ask for. It would feel like robbing flutterpony of a win with how bad the new policy has gone down otherwise.
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Flutterpony 09/09/2021 22:03
Sapare will be silent in this channel until he has a chance to fulfill the request. Slowdown is back to normal
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Burger 10/09/2021 02:18
Wow, well I guess that's it for anything being posted in here, lest we get asked for our fact checking papers on everything or face muting. Was a nice change to see all sorts of opinions on the few times people posted in here but I guess that's dead now (edited)
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Flutterpony 10/09/2021 05:10
Opinions will always leave someone out. Real effort goes into building unity. Whether or not the standard I've tested was easy, I think it has tempered the channel dramatically. If conversation happens here now, I hope anybody with more than an opinion, maybe a passion, will find the channel worthwhile if not welcoming. I do wonder if maybe the policy is a bit ableist, but I'm very willing to give instruction. (edited)
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Crys 11/09/2021 20:42
https://discord.gg/GJ4cFRjXJp I made a dedicated political server for the community.I hope to keep that nice mix of political positions without the overzealous fact-checking. (edited)
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Crys 11/09/2021 20:51
To give you an idea of what I am going for; Rule 4 is Use the right channel. Any non-political discussion must be in off-topic. Casual posts about anything political that is on your mind can be posted in political-discussion no sources required(you can ask for sources but the only thing making anyone post them there is pride and a desire to help others understand). sourced-political-debate is more formal. To post there You must have sources for any factual claims and are expected to write well articulated long form arguments. source-fact-bias-checking Is just a reference repository were anyone can post fact/bias checks for a given source. It is not a place for discussion in and of itself and its use is optional.
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Burger 12/09/2021 00:26
The more options the better is what I'd say
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Burger 16/09/2021 13:43
I posted this in the Politi-foals chat but worth asking about this topic here too for those not there. https://youtu.be/UUzvjR7351k Just Some Guy doesn't do political things that often but he had an argument on a stream with a lawyer over the case of that one guy who bought up $17k of hand sanitizer from multiple shops and tried to sell it online at a massive mark up
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I was just wondering what everyone else's thoughts on it are, since personally I think what JSG suggests is insane and giving the government the right to seize property because you "Aren't in need of it and are trying to make profit" is very Communist. Meanwhile the market could of sorted it on its own in the way it did. Online stores didn't allow him to sell on their platforms and the warehouse he was renting said he couldn't store them there. He ended up giving it all to charity since government were going to get on his ass for marking them up at x30 the value but even without that it would of sorted itself out since those who wanted it that bad would of got it and would of been fools to of done that instead of shop around and if no one bought it at the price he was selling, he would have to reduce it. Also this guy went to places where there was no demand for it and bought that, so if anything he was offering more supply better then it being sat on shelves where no one wanted it. At the end of the day, companies could of stopped this from the outset if they wanted to by limiting how much someone can buy at once. Non of these stores did and I bet those really quiet ones thought better of it that someone took all of that off their hands. Sorry for the spam as well, just writing it out as I was thinking about it. Also don't have any sources or fact checking since it's all opinions on a topic but I can link to the news article on the sanitizer guy but it's shown in the video too cozygolly (edited)
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Flutterpony 16/09/2021 15:50
Thanks for the share. I think there are times for govt. intervention, and when scalping affects public health or wellbeing it's fine. My initial fact -check challenges were examples primarily. I'm not one to challenge frequently unless there's any contention to deal with among others. (edited)
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Flutterpony 14/10/2021 07:46
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supply-chain-issues-biden-steps-in-as-delays-cripple-supply-chain/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=curated
Biden steps in as delays cripple supply chain
Truckers at the Port of Los Angeles sometimes have to line up for hours just to pick up one container.
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Flutterpony 24/11/2021 10:51
In the arrogant, inhuman face of the Chinese government. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-24/biden-includes-taiwan-among-110-invitees-to-democracy-summit (edited)
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 01/12/2021 20:30
"Portugal has just passed a law that makes it illegal for a boss to text or call an employee after hours." Yes this! This is exactly the kind of thing we need to bring control back to the working class and to stop letting these corporations show little to no respect for the lives of their Employees. Force Amazon to do this now! On the opposite end, I remember reading about a company that attempted to remove the requirement for them to let their Employees have at least 1 day off a week. Just because their was no specific law saying they had to. Shows the kind of cold inhumane attitude sociopathic CEOs have for other human beings. (edited)
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Although I wonder if that Portugal law applies to Doctors and other Emergency workers.
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Flutterpony 04/02/2022 02:42
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/biden-says-isis-leader-quraishi-killed-syria-raid-2022-02-03/
ISIS leader Quraishi kills himself during Syria raid, U.S. says
The leader of Islamic State died when he blew himself and family members up during a U.S. military raid in Syria, President Joe Biden said on Thursday, dealing a blow to the jihadist group's efforts to reorganize as a guerrilla force after losing large swathes of territory.
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FireTails 04/02/2022 03:01
"kills himself" code for they butchered and tortured him I'm sure. (edited)
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Flutterpony 04/02/2022 14:11
He blew himself and some kids and other adults up. I suspect that's probably frowned upon in Islam.
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Flutterpony 27/02/2022 05:58
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Flutterpony 29/04/2022 01:29
https://news.yahoo.com/twitter-will-put-elon-musks-free-speech-absolutism-to-the-test-214638997.html
Twitter will put Elon Musk’s free speech absolutism to the test
Would throttling back content moderation policies create more room for free expression or open the flood gates for hate speech and abuse?
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Seems good to me but depends on execution (edited)
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Burger 29/04/2022 01:56
But hate speech is still speech really, and if it's in the public, then it can be discussed and proven wrong if so
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FireTails 29/04/2022 01:58
Yeah this whole thing has sparked a lot of really bad takes from some decently smart people. It's a shame. "bUt wHaT AbOuT hAtE SPeEcH, eLoN?! omogay " oh, you mean that ever nebulous and always redefined term that no can agree upon what it actually means?
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Burger 29/04/2022 01:58
It's why I think hate speech laws are very very stupid, you can have laws against calling for violence and such, but those laws feel like they are extras to tack on to make judgements even larger. Like they say, bad ideas burn under sunlight, but if driven underground then no one would know about it until it festers into something more
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Flutterpony 29/04/2022 07:14
I think we do need laws against speech that explicitly encourages crime, and while hate crime laws are redundant and extra punitive, I feel they're useful for public awareness and cultural balance. I doubt they're more than rarely enforced anyway, but I dunno.
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I'm not aware of hate speech laws in the US, only social and professional ostracism that comes from it.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 16/05/2022 11:33
The stuff happening with the abortion ban shows exactly why my hatred for organized religion is justified. I don't mind if you have your own rituals or beliefs that you practice in your own personal life. But it's when you try to force your lifestyle onto others through legislation that it's completely unacceptable and against the separation of church and state. This could very well tempt me to return to active atheist activism, but probably not yet because my platform isn't political anymore, who knows though I could start a separate Youtube channel or something. Not famous enough to have any impact though, so won't bother. but I'm really going to be rooting for the progressive online personalities to be fighting against this hard.
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Flutterpony 16/05/2022 13:20
There's religion in politics, but that sort of thing will happen whether or not there's religion. Which specific religion matters greatly issue to issue, and in the grand scheme I think the irreligious have as many extremists as the religious. Ultimately I support democracy, including religion, culture, and science's simultaneous influence thereon.
13:23
Devoted religious people are typically united which is the opposite of individual extremism. If anything it's group extremism. In that I concede there's both power and danger, but we can't well tell people not to practice what they believe.
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Deleted User 17/05/2022 20:16
is it bad that i kind of want the usa to collapse as a country?
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i feel like they have A LOT of problems going on
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Deleted User 17/05/2022 20:46
and also i kinda want to see what would happen
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Burger 17/05/2022 21:12
I'd prefer if it would collapse , it would revert to just states being independent of each other
21:14
Means people could get out from under the Fed
21:18
I'm sure they would find a way to snake their way into whatever groups set themselves up afterwards. I guess they would end up like the Enclave if the US ended up in a more broken state
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 18/05/2022 00:38
Referring to what Flutterpony said in sfw spoilers. I just really wish more Christians would be able keep their beliefs to themselves and out of lawmaking and politics. How would you feel if Muslims got a foothold and started forcing Sharea law onto Christians. I bet they would be outraged, that how us atheists or agnostics, or even moderates feel about the abortion stuff becoming law.
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Or their further goal of making sex before marriage illegal, since they don't want to let gay people get married either, that extends to them being very homophobic with this too.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 18/05/2022 02:56
I have to go vote this weekend, it's mandatory in Australia. So I'm going to vote all the joke parties first and the 2 major parties in last place.
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Flutterpony 18/05/2022 03:10
Yay voting!
03:14
Honestly if Sharia law took over with a legitimate democratic vote, then so be it. I have my doubts about the voting system in the US like when Trump won despite losing the popular vote, but we're rebounding here and there. It's an ongoing battle. I support Biden's strategy to work between parties despite the many challenges
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 18/05/2022 06:05
The political system is deeply infested with corruption, so it's not technically working properly to express the will of the people. Politicians take payments from huge rich corporations so they don't have to put the environment a human welfare before profit. I think it needs to be dismantled, fire all politicians and start fresh with a younger congregation that more represents how much technology has made the world drastically different in the past 20 years. Old white men stuck in their ways will get us nowhere.
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It pretends to be a democracy on the surface, but actually functions as an oligarchy.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 18/05/2022 18:54
Sorry to keep harping on, but while I'm bored waiting for something at the moment, The US political system has not updated at all for 100 years and just doesn't work anymore, neither does Australia's or most democracies. One ultimate leader chosen by the rich and a popularity contest, that is usually so old they've never used email before and they can just ignore all their advisors, needs to stop. I believe it needs to be replaced by a think tank committee, that involves genuine experts in specific disciplines required to govern like Medical, Agricultural, Environmental and Engineering scientists. Expert Infrastructure planners, Education Expert and etc. They should all be the top scientists of their fields and then they should be the ones to vote as a collective on policy change. The general normies are just too stupid to know what is best for them, in my opinion. Especially if they've been brainwashed by bat shit insane conspiracy theories like microchips in vaccines. (edited)
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In other news Alex Jones is finally being sued by the federal government for all the damage he's caused. But likely won't go to jail, he'll just pay a $20 million dollar fine, while still making $100 million with his snake oil products. Essentially just a part of doing business. Same thing corporations do, even if they get fined for illegal practices that cause harm to the environment or the general public, the fine is just a tiny piece out of their insane profits that is just considered a part of the cost of doing business. Therefore does not incentivize them to change at all. (edited)
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Burger 09/11/2022 02:08
Not sure if this is too much for the politics thread for here but I would wonder what people's thoughts are for the topics brought up in this thread at all? Been meaning to asking here about it considering Flutterpony's thoughts https://mlpol.net/mlpol/352468#352468
/mlpol/ - The Deepest Psyop - mlpol.net
I want to make a serious attempt at trying to convince you of something controversial. You're going to have a strong emotional reaction but bear with it. Think of how retarded leftists look when they talk about racism as an inherent undefendable evil, anyone arguing against it is de facto wrong even before they open their mouth. They've been ps...
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I know it's crass as hell but what do you expect for places that even allow all sorts of speech
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And no I didn't make this thread or make a single post in it yet in case people were wondering
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I just thought it was an interesting topic on marriage laws and such
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 27/11/2022 10:19
https://youtu.be/oVj4kZF-Fgk I hope that we as a society can finally admit we got conned big time, by these billionaire idiots who built thier brands on being so called 'geniuses'. But turns out they were running huge scams.
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Elon Musk Is An Idiot (and so are Zuck and SBF)
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Bubble'o'Skitz 27/11/2022 10:21
To be fair the only reason we're typical even aware of these billionaires is because some journalist reports on them and we all know how reliable journalists are in current year.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 27/11/2022 12:09
Depends how involved a journalist is with being paid to cover up corruption. A controversial Australian journalist named friendlyjordies, was almost assassinated recently. After hit pieces on several very rich and powerful people and corporations in our government.
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Bubble'o'Skitz 27/11/2022 12:11
Yeah saw a vid talking bout that friendlyjordies guy, pretty fucked.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 27/11/2022 12:11
He was one of the good guys, telling the truth, but that is turning out to be very dangerous for him. https://youtu.be/ZI3zaHUsgXg
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Turns out the general public don't even have free speech in Australia either. Only the so called "elected officials" have free speech and criticism of them is technically illegal.
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So that is making corruption in Australian politics hard too uproot.
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Bubble'o'Skitz 27/11/2022 12:14
Given the assailant bombed the neighbors house first by mistake... I'd say it wasn't a professional job. Yeah Australia Has kinda been getting more and more fucked politically over the past decade, and it seems to be accelerating.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 27/11/2022 12:16
Was probably so distracted with American politics, I didn't notice how bad ours were getting.
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Bubble'o'Skitz 27/11/2022 12:20
More likely it's a side effect of people being exposed to American politics. >.< New Zealand is following suit, they currently trying to adjust hate speech laws. Soon it'll be illegal to "insight religious groups" which is similar to Australia. Likely means that if some church is doing bad shit and investigative journo's poke there nose in, the church can legally kick them out. (edited)
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Yay for a dystopian, nightmarish future!
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Flutterpony 28/11/2022 13:23
Safety in speech was never a guaranteed right in the US, only that the government wouldn't come after you. Some states and counties choose to ignore the higher federal protection of free expression, still, so good luck if you draw attention to yourself. If the local government violates the law, it's a long shot to make an appeal, especially if the oppressed were nailed with anything legitimate that could stick. A common way to shut people up in the US is to plant evidence on them or trick them into taking possession of evidence against themselves, eg. drugs or child porn.
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Jesus brought the good news and we see what journalism got him.
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Flutterpony 03/12/2022 01:35
https://mereorthodoxy.com/tolkien-was-right-notes-on-the-respect-for-marriage-act-and-the-post-boomer-church/
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Tolkien Was Right: Notes on the Respect for Marriage Act and the Po...
Some time after his death, an editor was going through the papers and books in J. R. R. Tolkien’s library when he came across an old copy of C. S. Lewis’s pamphlet “Christian Behavior,” which would later be re-published as […]
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Flutterpony 17/12/2022 20:23
Religion can be cool. https://phys.org/news/2022-12-religion-factor-evolutionary-theory-schools.html
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Religion influences secondary school students' understanding and acceptance of evolutionary theory, but social and cultural factors such as nationality, perceptions of science and household income are more influential, according to a study involving 5,500 Brazilian and Italian students aged 14-16. An article on the study is published in the jour...
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Flutterpony 01/01/2023 19:23
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-biden-allegedly-wanted-one-big-dramatic-redecorating-task-done-once-he-moved-into-the-white-house/ar-AA15RIDj?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8f7b7d36113f44a9948e025c801c5e86
Joe Biden Allegedly Wanted One Big & Dramatic Redecorating Task Don...
You can imagine how someone must feel when they make their way to the White House, especially when they know they’re about to live in it for the next four to eight years. It seems like every President or First Lady puts their own spin on the White House, whether it be in the gardens
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Whipple alleges that President Joe Biden wanted a serious redecorating task done: to get rid of everything from former President Donald Trump’s time in the house. In the upcoming book, many say Biden allegedly unleashed his anger on an upstairs room where Trump had multiple electronics installed, which the new staff hadn’t gotten rid of. In the room, there was a big-screen TV and a golf simulator that Trump installed so he could practice his swinging abilities. Along with being angry, it’s alleged that Biden said, “‘What a f—king a–hole,” in response to seeing this.
Now, there was reportedly another thing Biden wanted to get rid of: the Resolute Desk from the Oval Office. While it was there since John F. Kennedy’s term, Biden wanted it removed for two reasons: in favor of his hero Franklin D. Roosevelt, and because Trump touched it, he wanted it gone.
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Burger 01/01/2023 19:27
I'd say this is too far. The white House may be called a house but it's not a home like the one you own
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Flutterpony 01/01/2023 19:30
I think redecorating is a common thing between presidencies, though the Resolute desk is a big change. I'd feel 100% the same as Biden.
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Burger 01/01/2023 19:31
At the end of the day the White House is a connection of that heritage and culture, which is worth more in the US due to its lack thanks to being somewhat new. That house is the place where all former heads of state have been in and have conducted their business. You may argue about the electricals but to say a desk needs to be removed because a guy touched it is stupid. It's your history as well, you can't just remove everything about someone you don't like. Much like how I have to deal with a statue to a guy who helped create Marxism. I have to walk past that and I may want to spit at it, I also wouldn't want the memory of what he was to be removed all together
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Flutterpony 01/01/2023 19:36
It's been a season of change in the US since during Trump's presidency. I support getting rid of or replacing statues that aggress against black Americans. Evidence leads us to believe many such pieces were installed in response to equal rights movements. There's a Some More News episode covering the history and reasoning.
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In Biden's case, he doesn't just despise what Trump did and didn't do in office; he seems to also hold something against the original installer of the desk. (edited)
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Burger 01/01/2023 19:41
Ehh I'd rather keep all things of history so good or bad, people can learn from it. Think of it this way, if you throw away the bad things, how will people know that those were bad at all?
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Flutterpony 01/01/2023 19:47
"It's part of our heritage," isn't a worthwhile slogan really. I think history books are enough to remember the slave owners and tyrants of the past. If we're going to enshrine something, let it be something to inspire good rather than glorify the past. Let the statues be sold off or put somewhere cheap maybe so not to burden people. Oh I found the video I was thinking of. It's not Some More News, but Last Week Tonight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5b_-TZwQ0I (edited)
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Confederacy: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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Flutterpony 01/01/2023 20:05
Away from trafficked areas, I'm amenable to revising the context in which statues of controversial characters are displayed, such as installing new plaques to educate people rather than just glorify those characters.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-biden-supporter-describes-what-he-smelled-like-after-viral-photo/ar-AA11OMT1
Joe Biden Supporter Describes What He Smelled Like After Viral Photo
"My heart breaks for anyone this weak, this lost—so lost that you need to love, to adore, and feel a deep devotion to a politician," said one commenter.
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I adore Biden, in case it's not clear. I'd love if he adopted me.
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MSN.com is right-leaning, and it annoys me that it's the homepage on Edge browsers.
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Even the news on MSN.com were centrist, I have major reservations about making it the default on a browser that a huge part of the population uses.
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Burger 01/01/2023 20:18
I don't think you should adore any leader or political figure myself. Doing that makes you blind to any faults they have as well. There are many people who will level all sorts of accusations to defame people for sure, but being blind to all things won't do you any good. Also don't use edge or MSN, I dislike all major news sites to be fair since most always pick a side
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Flutterpony 01/01/2023 20:19
I mean, I adore my wife and kid, but I definitely don't think they're perfect.
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I wish my parents were centrists. At least they're good parents if not good voters.
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Burger 01/01/2023 20:25
Well I don't mind that my parents think differently or vote differently then me on subjects, just as long as they are willing to listen to my thoughts on them and I'll listen to them (edited)
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Flutterpony 01/01/2023 20:27
That's good citizenry I think. Yes.
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Burger 01/01/2023 20:28
Well I mean you should have that considering most of our thoughts I'd believe would be out of the main circle of "approved" points for the major parties in charge
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Burger 05/01/2023 04:52
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/us-extends-air-travel-covid-19-vaccine-mandate-international-visitors?intcmp=tw_fbn
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Are you kidding me.... Again they extend it and again at the last minute. I was holding out hope that it would just be allowed to expire on January 8th but no it has to be extended again because no one wants to admit their faults. I just want to be able to start my life with my partner but no I must have the risky shots that US citizens don't need to visit my country
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Burger 05/01/2023 05:16
I don't care if people judge me for being anti this vaxx but I'm sick of it. I even tried getting the safer seeming novavax but the health department in my nearest hospital told me I can't have it since they aren't intended to give out more then one a year since only a very few people have an allergic reaction to the current shots but I think its because they have such a surplus of the first pushed vaccines they don't wanna have to spend to get the ones people wish to take if any
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Sorry I'm posting this all in here. I just need somewhere, anywhere to vent this out that isn't at my partner because he has had to wait so long for me as well and he doesn't see it as so bad to get the shots
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Flutterpony 05/01/2023 08:48
Pokes are unpleasant. Even with very low risk of serious side effects, there are common side effects that can kinda suck. At least, compared to yearly flu shots, the covid shots have a higher chance of actually working, but lately I've known people to still get tested positive for covid despite being vaccinated within the past month.
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Burger 05/01/2023 13:04
Well in Europe they had to admit they had no research that proved the shots stop the spread of the virus and so all the things they said about taking it or else you'll make other get sick and die was false. Its only because of that they have a vaccine mandate at all so if that is untrue, why still keep the mandate? Majority of the world has had to admit its fault with what it did but still the US holds out on making any change
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Flutterpony 05/01/2023 19:11
The US isn't quite as progressive as many places. Whether progressive or not, I can't always tell whether choices are made due to arrogance in the face of sound reason. I don't like to be a cynic either way though.
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I don't care if people judge me for being anti this vaxx but I'm sick of it. I even tried getting the safer seeming novavax but the health department in my nearest hospital told me I can't have it since they aren't intended to give out more then one a year since only a very few people have an allergic reaction to the current shots but I think its because they have such a surplus of the first pushed vaccines they don't wanna have to spend to get the ones people wish to take if any
DiamondTiara 19/01/2023 12:59
same, I'm going with critical thinking, what people who pretend to love science now have omitted. I wanted, but really WANTED to get vaccinated against that shit, and the current vaccines for the COVID19 were Sputnik-V and Janssen from J&J. Can't get the Janssen and just before my appointment I learned "No, sorry, we don't do the Janssen, only Pfizer but that's the same" Well no it's not. So I'm not getting an useless, experimental preventive treatment. mRNA works in cancer or leukemia treatments tho, on a case by case, but not against a virus, you don't mutate a whole organism to protect yourself. What the governemnts want is people not to think, and obey. This is really just a test.
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I have someone in my family who, as a jewish person always been wondering why or how Germany managed to murder so many people. Because the people went in the wagons on their own, they were conforming the laws, most knew they would never come back, but that was the rules. Any nazi guard were outnumbered with their rifles and handguns. By fear, people prefer submission. The real horror has always been there, when there is tyranny going on, the people obeys, and a minority hardly ever rebels regarding the lack of movement, as everyone prefers the comfort of obeidence.
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Ironically all the people who got the shot had the covid. «I can't believe I'm vaccinated and still get it, urgh I can't work» «Well I'm not getting it, lucky I don't get i-» « WHAT? You're not vaccinated? That's your fault if I got it!»
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-biden-supporter-describes-what-he-smelled-like-after-viral-photo/ar-AA11OMT1
DiamondTiara 19/01/2023 13:13
Regardless of the political opinions, no OS, no browser should shove its opinion on people. Like having a panel that says "today we celebrate X" on Google shit, or MSN's news stream everywhere on Windows.
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And I wonder what smartphones, smartTVs, consoles or apple's trash are like but I bet it's the same shit, it's a fucking dystopian how the media and oriented info is sneaking everywhere. This is influence at every level.
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Burger 19/01/2023 13:29
Yeah and all of it is free listening devices for them
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same, I'm going with critical thinking, what people who pretend to love science now have omitted. I wanted, but really WANTED to get vaccinated against that shit, and the current vaccines for the COVID19 were Sputnik-V and Janssen from J&J. Can't get the Janssen and just before my appointment I learned "No, sorry, we don't do the Janssen, only Pfizer but that's the same" Well no it's not. So I'm not getting an useless, experimental preventive treatment. mRNA works in cancer or leukemia treatments tho, on a case by case, but not against a virus, you don't mutate a whole organism to protect yourself. What the governemnts want is people not to think, and obey. This is really just a test.
Burger 19/01/2023 13:55
Sadly I've had to have the shot now, Pfizer as well. I've left my partner too long on his own out in the US and he's done a lot of work to set up a good place for us both to be at with a decent job for himself and some options for me. So I'll still need a second one and I've kept up checking my heart rate and I dunno if my paranoia is making my chest pains happen more. Hope I can catch the clots before they become too much really. Also sadly he can't come to the UK mainly because he's got so much set up there and I dont really have anything here but some savings
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Flutterpony 19/01/2023 15:29
If it's any consolation, those who've had Pfizer haven't become 5G-controlled zombies yet.
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Still, I get it's alienating and feels like a loss of control.
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There's a friend at work who shares a few conspiracy theories about the vaccine. It would be entertaining if he weren't sincerely worried about the robots in our blood.
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Flutterpony 19/01/2023 15:46
Google's celebratory headers are innocuous compared to an entire news homepage with slanted headlines. I'm surprised not more complain, but at least a modicum of technical ability can hide it.
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Sadly I've had to have the shot now, Pfizer as well. I've left my partner too long on his own out in the US and he's done a lot of work to set up a good place for us both to be at with a decent job for himself and some options for me. So I'll still need a second one and I've kept up checking my heart rate and I dunno if my paranoia is making my chest pains happen more. Hope I can catch the clots before they become too much really. Also sadly he can't come to the UK mainly because he's got so much set up there and I dont really have anything here but some savings
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There's a friend at work who shares a few conspiracy theories about the vaccine. It would be entertaining if he weren't sincerely worried about the robots in our blood.
DiamondTiara 19/01/2023 17:15
conspiracy theories are made up shit to troll people who know nothing to pass for complete idiots. like, nanotech and stuff, it's a big shot to lie to the fact Pfizer did not run any serious controls on their product, just like they always did. Pfizer is with Boiron the worst medical pharmaceutic companies.
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And I trust in vaccines more than anything. Pasteur would be rolling in his grave. A real vaccine would not need booster shots within years. just show the immune system 'see this? attack, train. bad.' so the interferons and white cells will club any virus like baby seals.
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Pr. Perrone explained all this. Virologist. Provax as well. This is clearly not healthcare; it is just politics and business.
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And I trust in vaccines more than anything. Pasteur would be rolling in his grave. A real vaccine would not need booster shots within years. just show the immune system 'see this? attack, train. bad.' so the interferons and white cells will club any virus like baby seals.
Burger 19/01/2023 17:29
I'm glad you agree with my line of thinking, its hard to meet others who understand that its not all vaccines and its not like I think its controlling shots. I'm just concerned for health and fertility too, but I've took measures in case that last one happens
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DiamondTiara 19/01/2023 21:37
yep, that's just understanding science, and even with all that the worst wave of covid is far behind us. the only prevention that worked being wearing a mask, even if it was not perfect, not really adapted it did the job. here in france we are still under a deprivation of liberties, hopefully no one really gives a fuck about the gov anymore, the intention is clearly to divide the population between obeident ones, and dissident ones. Marine Le Pen had an opportunity again to unite both right and left and get us rid of Macron, she really fucked up playing more his game and not clearly undo everything he's done.
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on the stats she won the popular vote but Paris, Nantes and most of Lyon being pro-Macron he passed with a small margin, so a bit like Hilary, no one likes her. And I swear if she's there again in 2027 I'm losing the remaining bits of my fucking mind. ( I lost most of it a while ago anyways. no worries.) (edited)
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Flutterpony 20/01/2023 00:38
For what little it's worth, my wife has had fertility problems since we were married about 15 years ago, but she got pregnant a year after receiving Pfizer. It was ectopic pregnancy and was ended with emergency surgery. It says little about the long term effects, but in this one case Pfizer made no difference in my fertility. We can't ignore concerns of course, but I don't see a solid basis for concerns from my angle. By now Pfizer has been tried by many. I received Moderna as well a year later for good measure. I can understand why some don't like the science behind Pfizer in any case. (edited)
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Flutterpony 18/02/2023 09:44
ChatGPT's advice for normalization of stigmatized content and behavior: (edited)
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Bubble'o'Skitz 15/03/2023 02:48
Ahhh yess I forgor this channel was here! @Mystery Cheese Fiction if you were interested in Discords current status on hate speech
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Burger 15/03/2023 02:55
But all the best jokes are from those categories I joke but I do hate how some people really can't take the sticks and stones approach to people saying mean things
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FireTails 15/03/2023 20:00
Tfw when rightfully hating the owner class is deemed as "hate speech" under these policies lmao
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Burger 15/03/2023 20:00
Anyone having a go at anyone is technically hate speech
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Burger 15/03/2023 22:25
Since @Bubble'o'Skitz asked, I'm a righty I guess but I hope we all still get along
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Flutterpony 15/03/2023 22:38
I'm a centrist who looks right-leaning to the left and far left to the right. (edited)
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Reason being it seems most right wingers are generally more united than the left and a bit more absolutist than the average leftist.
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But that's just my speculation
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FireTails 15/03/2023 22:52
Lmao the right is more fractured than ever. They can't decide whether they care more about deregulation and lessening the tax burden for rich people or about wokeism and the culture war OmegaLool
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Burger 15/03/2023 23:02
Oh thats because a lot of established right are just left but more tame
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frostsprinkle (aka fillyfriend) 17/03/2023 19:26
Leftist here cozygolly
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 02/05/2023 03:23
This is a pretty scary thing in Australia, where the government was irresponsibly trying to use AI to catch wellfare fraud and of course 95% of the people that Robodebt accused of welfare fraud were innocent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndqr6NT8CDk Unbelievable that our government would be so lazy as to use AI to manage social welfare payments.
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Flutterpony 03/05/2023 04:16
Everyone is eager to cut corners.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 06/05/2023 12:53
When I was going and fixing my monetization on Youtube, I notice they have a pretty up front and urgent notification about a rule that any videos attempting to exploit the situation in Ukraine for monetization, won't be monetized. This bothers me a bit, because it is a form of censorship in that, it will discourage people from taking the risk to put out honest journalism on it, particularly by people who are risk their lives there, to report on it. Of course dishonest and exploitative reporting is also possible, but that happens with everything anyway.
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Flutterpony 12/05/2023 20:03
It's a fair concern, though I think greed is a worse and more likely obstacle to getting good information and fair perspectives about Ukraine. Hopefully moderation strikes a decent balance. (edited)
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 19/05/2023 13:10
https://youtu.be/28N3nZMwbYk
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Flutterpony 19/05/2023 17:39
Part of the book reportedly covered how to do anal sex. Librarians said it was for young adults about identity. I didn't care to watch past the ad break.
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Wish it were something more fun personally.
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Flutterpony 04/06/2023 14:29
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Flutterpony 07/06/2023 05:22
Posted by an NNIA member: To the ones we lost or left behind: we won't forget. We won't forget the sleepless nights, with hours spent wondering if you were still there, or if the hate had become too much. We won't forget the vitrol-filled messages you showed us screenshots of, laughing until it became too hard for you to laugh anymore. We won't forget the price you paid so that we might someday live in a world where we don't have to hide. Where you might still be here. And we'll keep fighting in your honor, because anything less would be a disgrace. Even when the odds are slim, and everything is lost, we'll keep fighting because we remember you.
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frostsprinkle (aka fillyfriend) 30/12/2023 16:09
I just now read the above. Beautiful message.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 28/02/2024 06:20
Anyone got any thoughts about the Vaush controversies. Showed his porn folder on his stream and it had cartoon loli and horse porn. A lot of people obviously projecting their own porn shame. Are cancelling him hard for it. Shame, Vaush was a socialist hero to me. (edited)
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 28/02/2024 10:06
I'm actually starting to get involved with a Socialist Activist group now. I think I might have to remove any evidence from the internet of me being into foalcon, including audiobook and clopfics I wrote myself. Could be damaging to a cause for the left, if it got out, cause you know the right will leap on any opportunity to villainize them.
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Burger 28/02/2024 13:56
Well I won't state too much my opinions on Vaush and socialists due to my monarchist views and the fact Vaush is just a hypocrite for most things too
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But at least if you are attempting to look at making an impact that more then most can say
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 28/02/2024 18:06
I'm mainly anti-capitalist, especially with how much wealth inequality has accelerated exponentially since Covid. Society needs to be organized with human welfare as a priority, not endless unsustainable profit motivated greed. Socialism is about making sure everyone has their basic needs met and then are free to pursue their own goals whether it be earning money or creating art. Meaning that people are still motivated to have goals beyond sitting around. Most people are brainwashed to think it's the same as communism. Communism means a society where everyone has the same wealth whether they are a toilet cleaner or a doctor, therefore discouraging ambition.
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Filly 29/02/2024 14:18
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 01/03/2024 07:47
Attended a protest today. Here's some photos. Down with Capitalism!
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Burger 01/03/2024 08:21
Wait why do they have magazines with the boat people of Europe on it? Ughh guess they wanna get involved with that because more erosion of the European culture is good and everywhere should end up like Birmingham or Rotherham where Muslim rape gangs rape white kids and get away with it since all the local politicians in the areas are voted in by them as Muslims have one whole voting block they never are allowed differing opinions. Plus not sure why communists support Muslim groups either since their culture doesn't match with it at all
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Wait why do they have magazines with the boat people of Europe on it? Ughh guess they wanna get involved with that because more erosion of the European culture is good and everywhere should end up like Birmingham or Rotherham where Muslim rape gangs rape white kids and get away with it since all the local politicians in the areas are voted in by them as Muslims have one whole voting block they never are allowed differing opinions. Plus not sure why communists support Muslim groups either since their culture doesn't match with it at all
Mystery Cheese Fiction 01/03/2024 08:55
As far as I know these are not Communists, they are Socialists, very different, I explained it above. We are against the genocide of an entire population of people in a particular geographical area. That area contains many kinds of people, including those raised Muslim. I disagree with all religious ideology, but it's not something to hate people for. It's what the rich white corrupt Politians want us to do, turn against each other, instead of realized that coporate greed and the global warming they have brought on quicker is the cause of nearly every struggle the working class have to deal with now. 2 generations ago you could earn yourself a home to live in and savings for comfortable retirement. But now Generation Z and A have no hope of that. Generation Y (like me) are screwed now if they didn't save up a lot in their early life.
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I think i'm ready to enter my socialist activist stage of life. From 15-23 I was an Activist Atheist. 24-38, I guess I was a brony to protest against gender norms, but also to take a break from hearing depressing news.
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Guess the break is over, need to take what is going on in the world seriously again. No more sunshine and rainbows.
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Filly 01/03/2024 11:34
What model of socialism do you follow or advocate for?
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 01/03/2024 14:24
Basically one where everyone gets enough to live a life of dignity and corporate greed and ruthlessness is not rewarded. Everyone should have their basic needs of housing, food and utilities including internet met. (Here in Australia, the government provides the jobless with basic smartphones, so that they can look for work online). Then unlike communism, everyone is free to pursue whatever their goals in life are, whether it be to help other people, earn money or just be creative. It's a myth that people would just sit around and do nothing if they have their basic needs met. Everyone is still going to have goals to do what they need to do to supply themselves with the luxuries that want beyond the basics. The basics will get boring pretty quickly. I feel like I and many others have had their potential wasted by being cooped up in cubicles doing useless jobs that just make their CEOs obscenely rich, while they are not even compensated enough to ever be able to escape being in that endless grind for the rest of their life. The people I met at that protest advocate for having empathy for other humans mostly and an end to all racism, sexism and homophobia that the right wing media like to fear monger about to turn the struggling working class people against each other, rather then unite against their oppressors. Our corrupt politicians, greedy corporations damaging the environment for money, the illusion of a democracy and War for profit. Thank you for attending my TED TALK. (edited)
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Filly 01/03/2024 15:12
That sounds more utopian than socialist to me. Maybe a bit Market socialism? But socialism has always had issues with race, sexism, and an free will due to how its set up to try and equal the playing field with purges or anything it deems economically advantageous
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That sounds more utopian than socialist to me. Maybe a bit Market socialism? But socialism has always had issues with race, sexism, and an free will due to how its set up to try and equal the playing field with purges or anything it deems economically advantageous
Mystery Cheese Fiction 01/03/2024 15:43
A lot of poor countries have attempted socialism and that doesn't work out well, because there actually isn't enough for everyone. Also usually that turns out to just be a front for someone to become a dictator themselves. A proper socialist government would be a counsel of workers and experts who actually know what they are talking about and have experience doing the hard work. I learned today that the Minister for Health in Australia has never worked a day of his life in an actual hospital. and in America the department of education wants to ban the teaching of anything negative about American history, pretend slavery of black people and the genocide of Native Americans never happened and also ban sex education, so that kids are even more vulnerable to their creepy uncles. I believe as a socialist that history is important to learn, so we can learn from it and not make the same mistakes again as a progressive society. I think a significant truthful education in history should be required for anyone trying to run a country.
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In America it would only take 1% of the military budget to house all homeless people and another 1% for universal health care. But the people in power want there to be homeless people on the street to serve as a threat and deterrant for any working class citizen to think they can dare consider going on strike and making demands of their bosses.
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The other thing that usually happens to countries that try socialism and are succeeding at it. Is that America accuses them of being communist and they start a war against them.
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Filly 01/03/2024 16:14
Socialism usually doesnt mix well with history since it is vetted it doesnt interrupt the peoples equality. Communism is just another form of socialism that uses purely economic values to balance itself. America is not great, but it is leaning more socialist lately and most changes are a result of that and wanting to change history to teach and or indoctrinate those into trusting the ruling power. Socialist rule isnt just the people coming together to form a council, its a government body elected by those who seem fit, not by the value of their work. Truth is people who get all they need will not always want for more. Some are happy in whatever corner they get. I dont know what socialist ideology you follow, but it doesnt line up with most of them and is more of a utopian ideology.
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 01/03/2024 18:04
Welp, I'm planning on learning a lot more about it. I've just started a new Youtube Channel, where I will be documenting my adventures in this ideology, that I've always believed in, but only just now found a group for it. I guess this is my new fandom. https://youtu.be/Vq_cvETasIg
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Flutterpony 02/03/2024 13:11
The worst part about politics for me is that in many ways it seems like unless we align ourselves with main parties we won't feel heard or think we make a difference. This isn't true, fortunately, but we have to temper expectations. We aren't going to change anything big all at once unless the path has already been paved, but we do matter. We can pave or explore new paths. And as for disparity between classes and the ultra-wealthy, I think the ultra-wealthy and anyone else is fooling themselves if they think their luxury and money will get them more than a tenuous sense of security in the face of social and economic changes. (See Trump being broke.) All the accounts and wealth in the world won't buy a person peace or immunity from their own humanity and the unified efforts of society around them. It's true the mega-wealthy and corrupt governments hold power, but only because enough people acknowledge or fear them, and without those people, they're nothing. If Trump succeeds or has ever succeeded, it's been because of the perceptions of people, not because of the money he claimed to have. If I want to feel powerful, I master myself first, set my own heart and mind in order, and I attempt to build my relationships second. Having food, shelter, and health needs met along the way is important. I'm very grateful that working to my strengths to the best of my ability in whatever position I may be has been enough for me to provide for myself and my family. And unions or not, the fellowship I have with coworkers and bosses is valuable to me emotionally. more reliable than wealth.
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Flutterpony 08/03/2024 12:41
I enjoyed the State of the Union address last night. The commentators were saying performance matters to allay worry about Biden's age, and he seemed to me to have pulled it off. He appealed mostly to his supporters both in the center and on the left, but made some points that even the right gave half-hearted applause for. (edited)
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Mystery Cheese Fiction 09/03/2024 10:13
You do realise he was on a massive cocktail of drugs just to stay awake, right?
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Flutterpony 10/03/2024 12:42
I'm generally very accepting of age in my leaders. I acknowledge it as both a limitation and an asset.
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If Trump is crushed and the politicians supporting him, it will just be a bonus. I don't "vote against" generally, even if it means throwing my vote to a third party. (edited)
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TatersBarn 27/03/2024 01:34
yeah i mean, age itself as a rule isn't any indicator of effectiveness. But like -congressional term limits. One place where age tends to correlate with poor politics is congress. And its just a problem of comfort and fear of change. the politicians themselves get comfortable and refuse to change, and the people voting for them do the same. These politicians are bad because they're old, though. it just so happens that these problems come with time and time comes with aging.
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Flutterpony 30/03/2024 11:14
Term limits are a good thing, though I might favor making congressional term limits much longer than presidential ones.
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Maybe in the range of 16 years instead of 8.
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